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Timeline of Technological Progression

Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 08:54:27 2022 No.14252103 View Reply Original Report

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Lots of things were learned, forgotten, relearned etc. Eventually things converged and we started forgetting stuff less, foundations were set and new knowledge was built on it.

Some things are directly dependent on previous advancement, others are not.

What are some technologies or methods that feasibly could have been developed before others and how would this have affected our technological timeline?

For example, black powder was discovered/invented/used ~900AD. Is there any reason why something different like peroxides could not have been stumbled on, and exploited, first?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 08:55:13 No.14252104 Report

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Could blast furnaces and steels have come before the bronze age?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 09:10:45 No.14252123 Report

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Well consider the romans had this machine, who knows what else they would of had at the time. Romans also created a steam engine. Black powder isn't that remarkable that it was discovered early on. You are mixing stuff that make sense together that are naturally occurring.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 09:14:07 No.14252132 Report

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>>14252123
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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 09:22:26 No.14252152 Report

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>>14252132
>autistic cavemen were obsessed with gear ratios

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 10:05:18 No.14252219 Report

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>>14252103
There are countless records of discoveries, ideas and scraps that were forgotten and later reinvented. This is the point of having systematic academic disciplines to begin have, although we have (very recently) forgotten that this is more than mere intellectual etiquette. This is due to postmodernist, iconoclastic sophist bullshit that has been allowed to fester in the Arts and Humanities.

If you just invent/discover something on its own it's a meaningless stab in the dark. People happen on some discovery and no one in that civilization even recognises its importance so it becomes lost and meaningless, only for Westerners to discover its potential thousands of years after the fact. That's why non-Europeans never made much progress despite having far more resources and far larger populations. They simply didn't care.

>>14252123
>Well consider the romans had this machine, who knows what else they would of had at the time.
The Antikythera mechanism was Grecian.

>Romans also created a steam engine.
This was by a Greek invention again, but whatever I guess you mean it in the sense of the Roman world.

My point in bringing that up though is because despite Romans advancing various technologies (notably in manufacturing lines, metallurgy and civil engineering), they never fully embraced the rigorous Greek system of comprehensive education/tutelage and in particular they paid off the Greeks to keep studying natural philosophy and to research new engineering techniques. They recognised the importance, but most Romans themselves cared far more about gaining wealth and influence. It's telling that the less glamorous Holy Roman Empire lasted over twice as long as the Empire it was succeeding simply due to the fact that they cared more about preserving these disciplines and invested so much in early universities that still exist to this day.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Feb 2022 10:13:32 No.14252236 Report

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It's fundamentally wrong to think that any of these technologies were "lost" though. The principles were never lost. The watermill invented in Greece and its gear system continued to be used throughout the ages. The mechanisation of Southern France actually increased during the decline of the Roman Empire. The thing that was lost was wealth, stability and power that could be invested in people who maintained certain technologies that were not immediately useful, while the principles taught in the Trivium and Quadrivium allowed the Rennaissance to happen so quickly.

We think of certain technologies as lost and reinvented because we never understood them to begin and therefore didn't record them properly within our systematic disciplines. We "lost" the Greek fire because they we never understood what it was in terms of thermodynamics and chemical composition.

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