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Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 15:03:18 2022 No.14235135 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14235147 >>14235157 >>14235203 >>14235935 >>14236675 >>14236693 >>14236911 >>14236953 >>14238851

how do I argue against a cringe determinist who thinks free will isn't real is there any papers in support of libertarian metaphysics I can show him

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:04:57 No.14235141 Report

Quoted By: >>14235153

So, just to be clear. You're making an argument which you yourself are unable to support. Fucking idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:06:08 No.14235147 Report

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>>14235135
Ask him if he believes in consent
If yes point out that the concept assumes free will
If not call him a raper

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Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:07:19 No.14235153 Report

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>>14235141
I just wanna piss him off because he is insistent on the matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:08:18 No.14235157 Report

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>>14235135
Unironically punch him in the face and when he complains tell him it's not your fault, destiny decided it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:09:40 No.14235161 Report

Quoted By: >>14235166

>>14235153
Yet you're unable to defend your own position. Why should anyone take it seriously?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:10:57 No.14235166 Report

Quoted By: >>14235168 >>14235171 >>14236760 >>14236920

>>14235161
I don't give a shit about free will and determinism he just sucks and shits up the kpop discord server

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:12:17 No.14235168 Report

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>>14235166
Kys numale faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:12:38 No.14235171 Report

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>>14235166
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:13:36 No.14235175 Report

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Claiming to have scientific evidence of either side of this argument only demonstrates you have the IQ of a dog. There is no way to prove the existence of free will and no way to disprove it. You're wasting your time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:21:03 No.14235195 Report

Quoted By: >>14235214 >>14235434

>So let's say fate has decided I will sit here. Just assume with me that fate, destiny, has determined me to sit here for the next hour.
Then stand up.
>Ok. So what happened?
Also just explain that consciousness seems to be a fundamental force of nature like gravity. Also explain that beleif in determinism requires WAY more assumptions compared to free will

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:25:37 No.14235203 Report

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>>14235135
If free will is an illusion I choose to be bamboozled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 15:33:25 No.14235214 Report

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>>14235195
>>So let's say fate has decided I will sit here. Just assume with me that fate, destiny, has determined me to sit here for the next hour.
>Then stand up.
You just disproved your premise that "fate" decided you would sit. You didn't disprove that "fate" exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 16:41:07 No.14235434 Report

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>>14235195
>Ok. So what happened?
That you just contradicted yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 19:30:10 No.14235935 Report

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>>14235135
Just bait and troll. Mush easier if you just wanna piss him off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 22:37:56 No.14236675 Report

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>>14235135
this sermon does it
calvinist believe in predestination
https://youtu.be/EVlLCyZ7HGg

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 22:39:44 No.14236693 Report

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>>14235135
No, because free will isn't a real thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 22:51:19 No.14236760 Report

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>>14235166
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:18:21 No.14236866 Report

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I can make not random decisions, therefore I have a will. You can neither predict nor control them, therefore my will is free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:32:49 No.14236911 Report

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>>14235135
Here's your argument:
>If free will doesn't exist then exactly what evolutionary strategy do you believe you're playing out by sitting around debating unnecessary things on discord? Or indeed why do anything at all that doesn't lead directly to increased reproduction?
This argument stops atheists in their tracts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:35:23 No.14236920 Report

Quoted By: >>14236941

>>14235166
Fuck off discord tranny
Stay on your faggy discord and stop shitthing up this board with your christcuck faggotry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:42:15 No.14236941 Report

Quoted By: >>14236946 >>14236951

>>14236920
>Blasphemes the lord
>Believes that everything exists and follows a coherent set of principles for no reason whatsoever.
The absolute state of reddit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:44:13 No.14236946 Report

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>>14236941
The reason is this: Physics

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:45:00 No.14236951 Report

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>>14236941
You shit up this board and don't stay on your tranny discord for no reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:47:00 No.14236953 Report

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>>14235135
>is there any papers
You have to go back.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:48:24 No.14236957 Report

Quoted By: >>14236963

The best argument for libertarian free will is by far occam's razor: Determinism is just a set of metaphysical beliefs. Usually naturalism, radical physicalism, and materialism of some kind. Its much more plausible to believe things that requires less assumptions. Libertarianism simply says some things arent determined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Feb 2022 23:49:34 No.14236963 Report

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>>14236957
The only problem with this argument is that it's false

Frenanon

Frenanon Thu 17 Feb 2022 14:23:51 No.14238851 Report

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>>14235135
>how do I argue against a cringe determinist
You tell them they only believe in determinism because they lack Free Will themselves; and are thus incapable of conceptualizing such radical notions like "Free Will" and "Autonomy".

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