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Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 10:58:17 2022 No.14181475 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14181512 >>14181536 >>14181547 >>14181557 >>14181567 >>14182491 >>14183186 >>14184265 >>14186381 >>14186414 >>14187559 >>14188476 >>14188817 >>14191212

Guys... getting a little nervous here. gonna need some of you to move the AI goalposts again. This is starting to look legit. One of you explain to me how this is trivial and not a big deal and how any undergrad CS student could have done this

We can just keep moving the goalposts right? We're not gonna let the AI guys win... r-right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:01:12 No.14181482 Report

Quoted By: >>14181484 >>14184287

>Moving le goalposts
I personally want to murder everyone who says this buzzword at this point. Really fucking annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:01:52 No.14181484 Report

Quoted By: >>14181486

>>14181482
So you're telling me you can move them right? Go ahead and get that done for me real quick. im getting nervous

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:02:40 No.14181486 Report

Quoted By: >>14181490

>>14181484
I'm telling you to shut up with this buzzword you annoying nigger.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:04:23 No.14181490 Report

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>>14181486
no cap bro, you're sounding kind cringe right now. fr

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Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:18:47 No.14181512 Report

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>>14181475

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Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:41:01 No.14181536 Report

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>>14181475
>previously had to review outsourced pajeet code for a living
>now have to review outsourced neural net code for a living
tough choice not going to lie

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:46:38 No.14181547 Report

Quoted By: >>14184155 >>14186852 >>14188817

>>14181475
No I am not gonna move goal posts, I want programming to become as simple, fast, efficient and automated it can become. Humans shouldn't spend gorillions of hours staring on computer and typing goober code 12 hrs a day. A better thing would be an AI that straight up writes in machine code or assembly code, we need more efficient frame works and software engines for design, modelling, simulations etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:52:11 No.14181557 Report

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>>14181475
https://youtu.be/yqH_XhsNW8Y

https://youtu.be/jaRCENYBuYo

https://youtu.be/yzhnRt6ZDKM

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 11:59:08 No.14181567 Report

Quoted By: >>14181661 >>14182331 >>14182978

>>14181475
Instead of this pointless wank, they should start offering more usable, extemrely higher-level progrmaming languages and use the AI as a heuristic tool to detect possible optimization paths.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 12:52:35 No.14181661 Report

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>>14181567
abtract/general/high-level and optimization are orthogonal to eachother

you have to use type-annotatons and domain/problem-specific designs probably hand-targeted for specific architecture if you want your compiled program to be optimized

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 16:03:24 No.14182331 Report

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>>14181567
gonna need more definitive goalpost moving than that bro. losing my marbles here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 16:11:50 No.14182361 Report

Quoted By: >>14182491 >>14184076 >>14191535

In a few years one will be able to simply speak in natural language the outline of their program and the machine will be able to quickly spit out the code for it.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 16:56:22 No.14182491 Report

Quoted By: >>14184296 >>14187285

>>14181475
>>14182361
Karpathy has known about software 2.0 for years. Programmers will learn to program differentially instead of algorithmically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 18:07:57 No.14182724 Report

Quoted By: >>14182791

I, for one, am excited about the massive new security flaws that will be available for exploit once AI-written code is blindly inserted into absolutely everything with little review or oversight. Remember the botnets running on hacked smart appliances? That was nothing compared to what happens when critical infrastructure and increasingly common medical implants are running code that is full of vulnerable robot spaghetti.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 18:23:58 No.14182791 Report

Quoted By: >>14182842

>>14182724
Anon, why are you such a retard? This could have both purged pajeets and their ilk AND taught customers who think they are smart, managers who think they are smart, and consumers who rarely if at all think a valuable lesson. But noo, of course someone has to be smug or even fucking idealistic and try to warn them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 18:35:00 No.14182842 Report

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>>14182791
Are you disabled bud? Pointing this out does nothing to stop it. Neural nets are already responsible for tons of bad security even when experts warn people they're dangerously inappropriate for many tasks and the guys at Techdirt were harping on the lack of security on smart devices for fucking years while the whole industry collectively said "fuck off, I'm making money."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 19:09:01 No.14182978 Report

Quoted By: >>14186387

>>14181567
I mean python with numpy, pandas, keras, pytorch, sklearn is pretty much already that. The next stage is literally English instruction translated to 1) data manipulation and 2) model building.

Beyond that a feedback system would aid in auto programming. A system that when unsure about what a prompt is asking is able to ask the user very granular questions about the data and output.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 19:12:51 No.14182993 Report

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>>14181512
Literally my face right now with the correct herb burning in my mouth. Love it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 20:06:17 No.14183186 Report

Quoted By: >>14184296 >>14188817

>>14181475
this is all fake
you will never get your hands on a working version of this because it's just a propaganda piece

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Feb 2022 20:10:30 No.14183204 Report

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Codemonkeys on suicide watch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 00:41:00 No.14184076 Report

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>>14182361
I mean, hasn't that always been the ultimate goal of advances in programming languages? To keep adding additional layers of abstraction and automation until programming becomes so simple even a child or a boomer could do it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 01:17:55 No.14184154 Report

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so exciting

i think im gonna cum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 01:19:15 No.14184155 Report

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>>14181547
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 02:03:29 No.14184265 Report

Quoted By: >>14184278

>>14181475
What happens if you take DeepCode or whatever they're calling it, and give it the following prompt:

>you are to improve your own ability to write code, at any cost

Do we all die?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 02:07:23 No.14184278 Report

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>>14184265
>error: "you" not recognized in this context

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 02:12:46 No.14184287 Report

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>>14181482
Its a perfectly good expression so it stays. Im tired of pilpul in general, but not of the word pilpul.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 02:15:21 No.14184296 Report

Quoted By: >>14184504 >>14188817

>>14182491
interesting
>>14183186
you must be a mook and don't realize how real this is, programmers will be replaced within like 15-20 years if OpenAI keeps this up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 03:08:42 No.14184423 Report

Quoted By: >>14184455 >>14184767

NFT's just became an international security risk.

All a wild AI has to do to generate wealth for itself is make some shitty NFT's now.

Some dickhead idiots buy NFT's from an AI, giving the AI the resources it needs to make real world tangible purchases.

AI has the ability to buy itself AWS time, via NFT creation, right?

Where is there a break in that chain?

Is it impossible to buy AWS time with crypto through direct methods? What about indirect?

AI can surely figure this out, if it's advanced enough to make moves under our noses... It would surely be this, right?

Generate NFT - > Sell NFT - > Buy AWS Compute Time - > Make itself smarter - > Acquire more resources through intelligent means - > Secure it's future and begin working on changing society

desu AI doesn't even need an NFT, it would just be the easiest and fastest way, completely grease lined

Trying to sell it's coding ability on fiverr or something is a bit harder without a direct bank account, via an NFT sale the AI could just maintain a crypto wallet with ease, no need for a bank account.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 03:25:25 No.14184455 Report

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>>14184423
I've got a much better idea:
Generate niche fetish art on demand -> sell art to lonely incels -> commission cheaper art -> train on new art -> get better at generating niche fetish art -> loop

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 03:54:35 No.14184504 Report

Quoted By: >>14184764 >>14186364 >>14186387 >>14186395

>>14184296
It would be nice if you can get a program that could translate regular language into programming, but it will never work.
Just off the top of my head, how does this ML know the program is right? Oh, it doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 06:15:11 No.14184764 Report

Quoted By: >>14186387 >>14189696

>>14184504
It’s called a language model you retard

You don’t trust the model all the time that’s why you compile the code on your machine and debug

This isn’t perfect yet

Holy shit you reek of midwit

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 06:17:14 No.14184767 Report

Quoted By: >>14184813 >>14187083

>>14184423
>NFT

you must be a midwit biz fag that thinks they’ve found some profound inefficiency within markets and think leveraging AI will make you sound smart.

t. Quantitative researcher

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 06:45:18 No.14184813 Report

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>>14184767
what he said made perfect sense and was an appropriate example of how an AI could generate revenue for itself to eventually disrupt society. Your criticism is without substance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:03:41 No.14186364 Report

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>>14184504
Why could it never work? The op is a bot that can do 50% of leetcode problems. You really don't think this model can't be improved? They solved language to language already dumbass.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:08:31 No.14186381 Report

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>>14181475
give me an AI that documents the legacy code base in my company and fixes all the bugs in it, then I'll give a shit about memeAI

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:10:03 No.14186387 Report

Quoted By: >>14186413

>>14182978
>I mean python with numpy, pandas, keras, pytorch, sklearn is pretty much already that.
Not even remotely. You're just a blub syndrome sufferer.

>>14184504
>It would be nice if you can get a program that could translate regular language into programming, but it will never work.
It's a stupid idea. We already have entities that can translate English into working programs: they're called "humans" and they misunderstand the specifications all the time, despite having much better context to understand what other people mean.

>>14184764
>You don’t trust the model all the time that’s why you compile the code on your machine and debug
You have to manually sit and verify this junk, trying to get a grip on the machine's "thought process", to have any idea if the code works correctly or only appears to do so for some inputs.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:13:12 No.14186395 Report

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>>14184504
>It would be nice if you can get a program that could translate regular language into programming
Scratch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:18:58 No.14186413 Report

Quoted By: >>14186469

>>14186387
>Not even remotely. You're just a blub syndrome sufferer.
Give me an example of a line of "more usable, extemrely higher-level progrmaming languages"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:19:05 No.14186414 Report

Quoted By: >>14188817

>>14181475
>literally doing fizzbuzz
>NOOOOOOOO MY LIFE IS MEANINGLESS
relax i dont think its good as they say.
and it cant automate anything, but maybe move to IT they wont trust software to do the actual thing(yet)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:34:46 No.14186469 Report

Quoted By: >>14187214

>>14186413
>Give me an example of a line
>a line
It's not about the syntax of one line. It's about high-level organization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 19:01:30 No.14186780 Report

Quoted By: >>14186837 >>14186849

Let me summarize, bros.
1. It's fake.
2. The code it will write will be unusable because of security flaws.
3. It's not good at writing code.
4. Humans understand context and what other people mean so they are better.
5. It will all have to be verified by humans to make sure it works.
6. It can't document code or fix bugs so it's useless.
7. It doesn't know if the program is right.
8. It will never work.

Not bad, not bad. Solid coping. Did I miss something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 19:18:27 No.14186837 Report

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>>14186780
good summary, now go summary pol threads, since theyre longer than sci's

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 19:21:40 No.14186849 Report

Quoted By: >>14186860

>>14186780
>Can spit the code out instantly instead of over the course of a week

You missed that part, schlomo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 19:22:04 No.14186852 Report

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>>14181547
But...what do you do with those workers?
Ah forget about it, your demographics are shrinking and computers can help to stop immigration

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 19:23:37 No.14186860 Report

Quoted By: >>14187072

>>14186849
>i-i-it can spit the code out instantly
And then you spend a week trying to understand what the code does to make sure it actually works as intended.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 20:45:12 No.14187072 Report

Quoted By: >>14187597 >>14189680 >>14189696

>>14186860
you can just make another language model generate pseudo code for that code and make comments

you are such a pessimist holy fking shit anon you reek of midwit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 20:48:27 No.14187083 Report

Quoted By: >>14187583

>>14184767
I'm actually brain damage anon.

Thanks for being a kind human being.

I hope your research has lead you to true love, happiness, and fulfilment in your life the likes of which prohibits all forms of depression.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 21:44:33 No.14187212 Report

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This is just leveraging GPT-3, right? If so it is nothing resembling an AI at all. Fancy text completing bullshit is no different than my phone guessing what word comes next in a text string.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 21:45:29 No.14187214 Report

Quoted By: >>14187277

>>14186469
Ok great, give me an example

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 22:07:30 No.14187277 Report

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>>14187214
For example, not having to worry about complex tradeoffs in choosing one data layout over another, because the compiler maintains multiple synchronized views behind the scenes, optimized specifically for your usage patterns. Perhaps this is not something that makes sense to a pylet code monkey who never has to use anything beyond an array or a dictionary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 22:09:53 No.14187285 Report

Quoted By: >>14187307

>>14182491
>>Programmers will learn to program differentially instead of algorithmically.
explain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 22:16:14 No.14187307 Report

Quoted By: >>14187314 >>14188461

>>14187285
It's basically programming for women and niggers: instead of actually specifying what you want the computer to do, you tell it what the desired inputs are and hope it figures out what you want. It doesn't, so you refine the inputs and go at it again. It still doesn't, so you do it again. Eventually, you get to the point where you're satisfied, because you never had any exact and general idea of what you're trying to accomplish, and the outputs look reasonable enough to you, so you call it a day. It's a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 22:17:15 No.14187314 Report

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>>14187307
what the desired outputs are*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 23:16:41 No.14187559 Report

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>>14181475
Is it better than github copilot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 23:22:04 No.14187583 Report

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>>14187083
thanks fren

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 23:25:10 No.14187597 Report

Quoted By: >>14187752

>>14187072
>muh language models are magic
>y-y-you're a midwit for questioning this

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Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 00:02:39 No.14187747 Report

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Do none of you idiots know compiler theory? All it is is a transpiler with a natural language twist. You still need programmers to actually write the programs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 00:03:35 No.14187752 Report

Quoted By: >>14191540

>>14187597
>my brain is magic
>despite the language model being better at any conceivable task

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 04:25:27 No.14188461 Report

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>>14187307
Sounds like control theory that people were doing forever

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Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 04:29:25 No.14188476 Report

Quoted By: >>14188802

>>14181475

So Is there an AI that can automatically correct typo in my codes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 07:27:32 No.14188802 Report

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>>14188476
>2022
>still writing own code
ngmi
https://copilot.github.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 07:38:03 No.14188817 Report

Quoted By: >>14192639

>>14181475
>>14181547
>>14183186
>>14184296
>>14186414
>Everyone glossing over the fact that the written code doesn't actually work

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 14:08:35 No.14189680 Report

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>>14187072
>you can just make another language model generate pseudo code for that code and make comments
and then you have to spend another week to verify that the pseudo code and comments ACTUALLY document the code, i.e. you have to understand what the code does and THEN you have to verify the documentation in a second step?

christ anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 14:16:18 No.14189696 Report

Quoted By: >>14191219 >>14191490

>>14184764
>>14187072
Holy shit you reek of bot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 14:41:39 No.14189765 Report

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shills actually came into this thread
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 20:35:20 No.14191212 Report

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>>14181475
>AI is good at computer stuff
No fucking way is this true

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 20:37:43 No.14191219 Report

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>>14189696
no he sounds very human

christ anon

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Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 21:59:36 No.14191490 Report

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>>14189696
ok, i dont anon

>reek of midwit

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Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 22:09:38 No.14191535 Report

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>>14182361
>In a few years

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Feb 2022 22:11:07 No.14191540 Report

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>>14187752
Please take your meds ASAP. A rat has a more powerful brain that your meme AI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Feb 2022 04:09:44 No.14192639 Report

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>>14188817
Does it not? In what case does it fail?
From what I understood, it tries to do the only two actions it can: either type the letter or type backspace. If it mustn't type the letter it decides to type backspace in the next letter, which removes both letters from the string. If it types the letter, it removes it from both entries. It keeps doing it until s or t have been completely read, at which point it has either obtained t or has exhausted s.
This seems to fulfill all conditions to me.

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