>>14158209>You're assuming that an individual is incapable of making a moral choice unless it's out of fearyou put it in a very nice way with a minor correction
>unless it's out of fear / reverence to a higher powerinstead of "out of" it's "because of", and no reverence is involved, it is literally just fear
that is a tenant of Judaism, you cannot be moral without fear of heaven. In fact, it is said in Judaism that the only thing a person has a choice in life is whether to have fear of heaven or not, that is the free will.
Single or married, children or no children, health or no health, rich or poor, illiterate or scholar, whether you have food to eat or not, everything is determined by God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAcF7cPNto4It is impossible to be moral without fear of God, because if you just love God (let's assume it's possible to love without fear) there will be laws that won't seen logical to you, laws you will take lightly. For example, wasting seed may seem like no big deal to people who don't know Judaism, but think of themselves to be moral people since they don't murder or rob anyone, but in fact, wasting seed in one of the few sins that it is taken as an intentional sin before the age of 21 for men
>Why would you deny a person their free willI'm not denying anyone their free will
>By your metric, that sounds pretty equivocal to atheism if not downright blasphemous.Maybe my first point wasn't clear
An atheist has no logical reason not to be immoral if he believes he won't get caught.
It follows that a person who doesn't believe in his heart in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, his actions will be coherent with that. And if his actions are so, he is no different than an atheist, except that the atheist at least isn't a hypocrite (at least in that point, since atheists are very contradictory in other aspects)
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozG7EGH9Ms 
