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Physics can't explain conciousness

Anonymous Thu 27 Jan 05:25:04 2022 No.14153840 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14153994 >>14154035 >>14154163

In mainstream physicalism, matter exists out there in reality. Matter is fully describable by quantities, so reality is quantitative in nature. The brain is an example of matter, so it too is fully describable by quantities.

No matter how fancy your quantitive description of the brain gets, how will it ever explain the rise of concious experience?

Conciousness and quantities are two different, incommensurable categories. At some point, you will always have to hand wave.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jan 2022 06:50:39 No.14153994 Report

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>>14153840
But that's literally not the role of physics to explain that, like you said, physics explain how matter, particles, waves, forces and fields interact, what the world is made of, where does it come from, where is it going, what can we do with the stuff around us.

Also looking at how fast computers are developing and how we went from simple logic and computing theory, to actual implementation of memory and processing, to now training neural networks, it seems to me that the birth of artificial consciousness is not so distant from our future. Like maybe a couple hundred years and we'll get there.
The fact that we know neurons are basically biological activation functions and computers can already emulate the core functions to learn pattern recognitions is already enough of a hint tbqh, I would say the only reason neurology is a bit late is because med students dont go through extensive math programs and some of the similarities with math concepts we know are only ever found by mathematicians and computing scientists, who can make the parallel with the physical world and the math theory to give a proper description of the functions.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jan 2022 07:20:45 No.14154035 Report

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>mainstream physicalism
wat

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jan 2022 07:26:52 No.14154050 Report

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yeah, duh

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jan 2022 08:18:47 No.14154163 Report

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Quantification is a logical contradiction that leads to a trivial explosion of truth, it is not necessarily an accurate assessment of nature.

P=NP can never be solved because the numerical system is incoherent at P=0 and N=-1.
Here is the proof

Law of explosion says a logical contradiction always leads to a deductive explosion.
x=-x is a logical contradiction.
Arithmetic axioms lead to the logical contradiction x=-x at x=0 because 0=-0.
Arithmetic is a numerical explosion of logic, all statements of truth made by arithmetic are trivial truths among infinite truths because its original number is a logical contradiction.
Physics is an emergent property of arithmetic based on geometry any models produced by physics, such as quantum foam or big bang, rely on arithmetic that is irrational at its core 0=-0 and not an accurate reflection of nature.

at P=0 N=-1 0=-0 which is incoherent, no truth statement can be resolved because paradox, 0 is an oxymoron and -1 is too abstract to actually exist, it just describes something owed and you can't "owe" nature anything if it is just 1 unit of nature with numerous conservation laws.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jan 2022 08:59:25 No.14154226 Report

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>>14153994
Neurons are accelerators. You can emulate the structure of their network, but what they accelerates is too complex.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Jan 2022 14:55:46 No.14154942 Report

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>>14153994
>I would say the only reason neurology is a bit late is because med students dont go through extensive math programs and some of the similarities with math concepts we know are only ever found by mathematicians and computing scientists
this
and most researchers in quantitative fields often don't pay attention to neuroscience
most psychology, cog sci, and neuroscience researchers suck ass at math and stats

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