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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 20:19:38 2022 No.14107304 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14107371 >>14107380 >>14107382 >>14107445 >>14107468 >>14107499 >>14112127 >>14114240 >>14114258 >>14114738 >>14117934 >>14119742 >>14121555

In pi's sequence of decimals there is:
>Every single past, future and potential work of literature
>Instructions for constructing every single past, future and potential contraption
>A description of the complete natural laws that govern this universe
>Instructions on how to unlock biological immortality and making it so the net entropy in the universe decreases
Woah...

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:35:45 No.14107363 Report

Quoted By: >>14107385 >>14109748

I dont remember why but I read somewhere this is not true necessarily.

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:37:33 No.14107371 Report

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>>14107304
learned about infinity, huh?
how's third grade treating you?
well, keep being curious, champ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:39:00 No.14107380 Report

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>>14107304
prove it or link to proof

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:39:37 No.14107382 Report

Quoted By: >>14117922

>>14107304
How the fuck did the Greeks invent such a powerful letter bros?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:39:40 No.14107384 Report

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You could say the same of any unbounded sequence of random values

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:40:01 No.14107385 Report

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>>14107363
? not proven to be normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:55:43 No.14107441 Report

Quoted By: >>14107469

Prove that pi contains every possible combination of numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 20:57:06 No.14107445 Report

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>>14107304
So does an infinitely long string of random digits.

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 21:04:33 No.14107468 Report

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>>14107304
and all of that is drowned in so much unintelligible static that you coulnd't discover anything useful if you could live 10^100 lifetimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 21:04:59 No.14107469 Report

Quoted By: >>14107489 >>14109721

>>14107441
it's proven to be not repeating
therefore it always changes, for infinity, it contains everything
that's the reasoining

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 21:12:04 No.14107489 Report

Quoted By: >>14107549 >>14110275

>>14107469
a random sequence of 1 and 0 changes forever but never writes a 2

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 21:15:34 No.14107499 Report

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>>14107304
not proven to be true.

however the interval $[0, 1]\subset\mathbb{R}$ has everything you need, including your naughty "system" folder

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 21:30:00 No.14107549 Report

Quoted By: >>14109751 >>14110268 >>14110346

>>14107489
It writes 2 in binary eventually if it is non-repeating. Same thing with pi.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 11:31:42 No.14109721 Report

Quoted By: >>14119655

>>14107469
>therefore it contains everything
non-sequitur. the number

0.1010010001000010000010000001...

is not repeating and it doesn't even contain more than a single 1 in a row

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 11:47:50 No.14109748 Report

Quoted By: >>14109783 >>14109792 >>14114244

>>14107363
and you are wrong.

pi is irrational therefore after the decimal point there are an infinite amount of numbers. which means there are infinitely many combinations of numbers which we can translate to ascii and get words. so there is everything ever in that pile of infinite numbers. from this exact comment to your genetic information.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 11:51:33 No.14109751 Report

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>>14107549
>moving goal

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 12:11:09 No.14109783 Report

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>>14109748
>so there is everything ever in that pile of infinite numbers
prove it

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 12:18:28 No.14109792 Report

Quoted By: >>14110353

>>14109748
Infinitely many combinations =/= every combination.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:13:56 No.14110268 Report

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>>14107549
You could have an irrational binary number that is missing an infinite amount of different strings of ones and zeros. That's the issue here. For example, suppose that your binary number is constructed by 2^1 ones, then 2^2 zeros, then 2^3 ones, then 2^4 zeros and so on. This number is irrational but it's missing strings of digits like "1010101" for example. It will never appear in the number. In fact there are infinitely many different strings of digits that don't appear in this number.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:15:48 No.14110275 Report

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>>14107489
we're talking base ten you moronic bot

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:39:56 No.14110334 Report

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Such a moronic post. OP you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:44:17 No.14110346 Report

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>>14107549
You could have an irrational binary number that is missing an infinite amount of different strings of ones and zeros. That's the issue. For example, what if a binary number is constructed by "0." and then after the decimal point adding 3 consecutive ones, then 3*1 zeros, 3*1*4 ones, 3*1*4*1 zeros, 3*1*4*1*5 ones, 3*1*4*1*5*9 zeros and so on to infinity such that you use the digits of pi in order and alternate between ones and zeros like I did. This number is definitely irrational because it's constructed by using pi (another irrational number), but a string like "101010101" will never appear in the number. So it does not contain all information.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:45:43 No.14110353 Report

Quoted By: >>14110357 >>14110371

>>14109792
Eh I think you don't get infinity

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:46:45 No.14110357 Report

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>>14110353
I revert my midwit statement, you are correct.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:51:22 No.14110371 Report

Quoted By: >>14110376 >>14110377

>>14110353
>>14110357
>t. professional midwits
By OP's logic (and yours), pi contains e, which contains pi, which contains e, which contains pi ad infinitum. How exactly do you unfold that into a countary infinite string of numbers?/

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:53:14 No.14110376 Report

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>>14110371
>countary = countably
>string of numbers = string of digits
I dun a retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:53:18 No.14110377 Report

Quoted By: >>14110381 >>14110396

>>14110371
OP meant that it contains all FINITE bits of information. Somewhere pi contains the first million digits of e

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:54:36 No.14110381 Report

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>>14110377
>Somewhere pi contains the first million digits of e
nobody knows

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 16:57:55 No.14110396 Report

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>>14110377
>OP meant that it contains all FINITE bits of information.
Well, he didn't state that, but fair enough. The point still stands that pi might be some kind of a fractal, making it so that the patterns of digits never repeat, and still don't contain every possible string, so you're still midwits.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 02:08:31 No.14112127 Report

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>>14107304
>>A description of the complete natural laws that govern this universe
wrong, that would also mean it includes the description of itself and then you have a paradox, no, you can't ride the semantics because that would mean you have a system for solving every single PDE, which is a paradox.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 15:38:38 No.14114240 Report

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>>14107304
>pi never repeats
>constrained to 10 digits

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 15:40:14 No.14114244 Report

Quoted By: >>14114259

>>14109748
>after the decimal point there are an infinite amount of numbers.
There's not. That's like saying 1/9 has an infinite amount of numbers.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 15:43:59 No.14114258 Report

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>>14107304
I'm going to search pi digits now for my Nobel acceptance speech wish me luck frens I'm going in

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 15:44:28 No.14114259 Report

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>>14114244
I think what he's trying to argue is that it's not a repeating pattern, therefore it contains an infinite number of distinct digit substrings, therefore it contains every possible substring... but it's still wrong, e.g. 0.12112111211112...

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 16:34:42 No.14114504 Report

Quoted By: >>14114587

most of this thread has been filtered

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 16:59:02 No.14114587 Report

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>>14114504
As far as I can tell, most people ITT can at least see why OP is a retard. Maybe you're the one getting filtered.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 17:29:33 No.14114738 Report

Quoted By: >>14114800 >>14114859 >>14118315

>>14107304
This sequence has the same:
>0.1234567891011121314151617181920212223...
whoah so fucking deep..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 17:43:41 No.14114800 Report

Quoted By: >>14116190

>>14114738
So you're saying that pi can be proven to contain every possible sequence of numbers?

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 17:54:50 No.14114859 Report

Quoted By: >>14117511

>>14114738

>4567891011121
9374784801702737474
>1920212223
848578103746
8476162773848949499377260959585873736366729037

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 22:33:24 No.14116190 Report

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>>14114800
No retard. I would just say that's not a property of a number you should be foaming your mouth over

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 04:50:19 No.14117511 Report

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>>14114859
what

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 08:11:34 No.14117922 Report

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>>14107382
Brute forced it by taking ratios with string and standardized lengths.

They didn't really know its value, just found a quirk of geometry and autistically clung onto it, not unlike the Pythagoreans

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 08:22:39 No.14117934 Report

Quoted By: >>14117938

>>14107304
"Not repeating" means there is no point where pi starts all over. It doesn't mean that it contains everything. It could be completely random.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 08:23:55 No.14117938 Report

Quoted By: >>14118182 >>14118321

>>14117934
Wait I just realized that infinite random decimals do contain everything. What if pi ISNT random? Irrational =/= random.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 09:47:52 No.14118103 Report

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 10:17:59 No.14118182 Report

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>>14117938
>Wait I just realized that infinite random decimals do contain everything.
prove it

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 11:10:39 No.14118315 Report

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>>14114738
based, midwits btfo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 11:12:55 No.14118321 Report

Quoted By: >>14118432

>>14117938
pi isn't random, it's pi. That's like say that 7 is random.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 12:10:21 No.14118432 Report

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>>14118321
I just rolled a die and got a 7.
Felt pretty random to me.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 18:59:00 No.14119655 Report

Quoted By: >>14119668

>>14109721
there's a way of interpreting that number though, which counts the number of 0s between the 1s
in that sense, we get 1, 2, 3, ... etc, which eventually goes through all past and future works of literature encoded in ascii, and indeed everything else capable of being represented as a string of text

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 19:03:05 No.14119668 Report

Quoted By: >>14119683 >>14119737

>>14119655
Let's do a similar thing with the number 5. Write it as

5.000...

and interpret it as

5.0 00 000 0000 00000 000000...

Now 5 contains the whole universe.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 19:05:27 No.14119683 Report

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>>14119668
true

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 19:18:47 No.14119737 Report

Quoted By: >>14119749 >>14120646

>>14119668
Or take 5.000... and interpret each digit as the distance of that digit from the 5 digit. Since it goes on forever this number contains everything.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 19:19:47 No.14119742 Report

Quoted By: >>14120953

>>14107304
If I take 1/10^n away from it, is it still pi?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 19:21:19 No.14119749 Report

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>>14119737
yes, now you get it

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 23:08:40 No.14120646 Report

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>>14119737
>The set of natural numbers contains every natural number
OH WOW

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 23:13:06 No.14120664 Report

Quoted By: >>14120870 >>14120874 >>14121012

So irrational numbers are not really numbers but numerical approximations of infinite processes?

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 00:03:28 No.14120870 Report

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>>14120664
All numbers all numerical approximations of infinite processes.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 00:04:29 No.14120874 Report

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>>14120664
All numbers are numerical approximations of infinite processes.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 00:04:46 No.14120875 Report

Quoted By: >>14121525

>numerical approximations of infinite processes.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 00:27:02 No.14120953 Report

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>>14119742
what's n?

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 00:43:19 No.14121012 Report

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>>14120664
go home Wildberger

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:33:44 No.14121525 Report

Quoted By: >>14121531

>>14120875
Try and place pi on the number line without approximating it.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:35:21 No.14121531 Report

Quoted By: >>14121546

>>14121525
not him but try proving i didn’t

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:38:50 No.14121546 Report

Quoted By: >>14121569

>>14121531
If you could then you would, but you didn't.
\endproof

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:41:23 No.14121555 Report

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>>14107304
This is only true if Pi is normal, but there's no reason to think it is or isn't

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:44:10 No.14121569 Report

Quoted By: >>14121586

>>14121546
i did right on the dot sorry your eyesight is bad
\qedbox

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:44:14 No.14121570 Report

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This thread is the new .999...=1 "debate"

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:46:43 No.14121586 Report

Quoted By: >>14121612

>>14121569
>*zooms in*
sorry bud you were off by at least one decimal place. This "Pi" you speak of doesn't seem to be real in any sense.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jan 2022 02:52:49 No.14121612 Report

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>>14121586
>ruling please
>bbp spigot confirms
>anon2 b& for false report
>anon1 lights cigar sips scotch
oo so sorry better luck next time

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