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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 12:36:02 2022 No.14096346 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14096355 >>14096416 >>14096418 >>14096433 >>14096741 >>14096866 >>14096882 >>14096940 >>14097058 >>14097679 >>14097696 >>14097803 >>14098008 >>14098172 >>14098402 >>14098416 >>14098449 >>14099272 >>14099521

Should science meddle with ethics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 12:41:26 No.14096355 Report

Quoted By: >>14096391 >>14096733

>>14096346
>posting clickbait article
>"bioethicist"
OP is a faggot.
Kys.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 12:54:36 No.14096391 Report

Quoted By: >>14096451

>>14096355
about as much of a faggot as you are, mobile poster

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:02:12 No.14096416 Report

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>>14096346
they already have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:04:07 No.14096418 Report

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>>14096346
couldn't they just reengineer meet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:11:11 No.14096433 Report

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>>14096346
I want to re-engineer bioethicists to become allergic to air.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:17:00 No.14096451 Report

Quoted By: >>14096530

>>14096391
I posted that from my PC, you dumb faggot.
You too kys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:36:25 No.14096530 Report

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>>14096451
cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 14:34:51 No.14096733 Report

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>>14096355
>anything which makes my authoritarian, technocratic, centrist political agenda look bad is clickbait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 14:37:37 No.14096741 Report

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>>14096346
We're going to modify people to not need meat as well as make men small and women tall and big. We are going to become a rabbit-like species, with small males and big females making a lot of babies and eating plants.
I've been saying this for a long time here but you guys just get angry at me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 14:41:08 No.14096757 Report

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>14096741
>this guy again

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:15:47 No.14096866 Report

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>>14096346
Reengineer humans to be allergic to air would solve any issues with co2. Problem solved. Anyone willing to undergo procedure will not be producing co2 anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:18:52 No.14096882 Report

Quoted By: >>14096926

>>14096346
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alpha-gal-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20428608

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-gal_allergy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:27:42 No.14096926 Report

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>>14096882
terrorists are too retarded to start insect breeding programs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:30:12 No.14096940 Report

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>>14096346
We call this procedure the "vegan neural circumcision"! Very popular among parents who want to force a religion on their newborn babies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:32:06 No.14096951 Report

Quoted By: >>14097029 >>14097952

they still act like meat is a cause for climate change when it literally doesnt do more than 2%

meanwhile the source of the problem, carbon plants literally make up 45% of all GHG

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:45:46 No.14097029 Report

Quoted By: >>14097992

>>14096951
"If that diet shift were permanent and accompanied by similar changes in domestic food production, the United States would achieve nearly 10 percent of the emissions reductions"
https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20180328/are-meat-eaters-contributing-to-climate-change

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:50:34 No.14097058 Report

Quoted By: >>14097964

>>14096346
>Should science meddle with ethics?

Science deals with the objective universe. Objective morality does not exist.

Also Bioethicist is a meme degree for socialists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 18:33:09 No.14097679 Report

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>>14096346
[any scientific field] + ethics = I wasn't smart enough to make it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 18:37:58 No.14097696 Report

Quoted By: >>14097813

>>14096346
Absolutely. There's no argument to be made against curated eugenics. Removing genetic failures such as people with sown syndrome, autistic people, obese people, and people with HIV/aids would only cause a net benefit to humanity

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 19:06:36 No.14097803 Report

Quoted By: >>14098140

>>14096346
>Treating humans as programable matter machines whos very nature can be engineered
>But still giving a shit about fucking chickens and cows
Cognitive dissonance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 19:08:48 No.14097813 Report

Quoted By: >>14097931

>>14097696
Agreed, the first baby born via polygenic screening against heart disease, cancer was back in 2020.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 19:45:35 No.14097931 Report

Quoted By: >>14098092 >>14098949

>>14097813
I couple months back I started compiling data on the costs of genetic failures in society. I limited it to concrete things like retarded people and obesity. The price was in the billions before I even got to negative costs (not sure of the proper term) such as if we didn't spend money on Y, we could spend money on X. Its shocking. Imagine if we could spend an extra billion on pre-screening research? Or on artificial organs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 19:48:45 No.14097952 Report

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>>14096951
>he doesn't know that animals we eat require food

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 19:50:27 No.14097964 Report

Quoted By: >>14098613

>>14097058
>he does not know
If morality is a negotiation between objects, then it would exist in a manner similar to other object interactions i.e. physical laws

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 19:59:01 No.14097992 Report

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>>14097029
The atmosphere doesn't care solely about the United States emissions. It's global emissions that matter. If the US is able to reduce emissions by 10% but that's only a 2% global reduction, guess what? It's only a 2% reduction as there is no planet called the United States.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:01:36 No.14098008 Report

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>>14096346
Too expensive and it would take too long -- genetic engineering traits is only feasible in the germ line so there's be a generational lag. It would be much more efficient to use biomimicry on tick bite induced meat allergy: Simply add alpha-gal as an adjuvant in a government-mandated vaccine and give yourself legal immunity to any side effects so that when people start noticing their intolerance to meat you're protected. Make sure you make life a living hell for anyone who doesn't get it.

Unironically I'm not saying there's anything presently going on that's similar, I'm just brainstorming here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:16:04 No.14098092 Report

Quoted By: >>14098109

>>14097931
"Genetic failure" is relative to the environment that selects for success (in your case western society). Widespread genetic engineering would reduce genetic variability enough that the human population would be less able to adapt should something in the environment change, potentially extincting the entire species. So yeah, have fun with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:20:02 No.14098109 Report

Quoted By: >>14098148

>>14098092
Sure it can encompass a wide swath.
But in no society is obesity a benefit.
In no society are down syndrome people a benefit. Also I didn't say genetic engineering. I said Curated Eugenics. As in the rigid, well defined, removal of genetic failures from society. Don't throw away Curated Eugenics because we don't have guidelines established.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:28:11 No.14098140 Report

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>>14097803
most people on the left are not enlightenment humanists anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:31:10 No.14098148 Report

Quoted By: >>14098169

>>14098109
I mean, you're still eliminating alleles from the population through artificial selection which, while pretty primitive, still achieves results in line with other methods of genetic engineering.

Genes that predispose humans to obesity are probably relics of the Toba Catastrophe and eliminating them (oft-called "thrifty genes" because they optimize caloric/nutritional efficiency) could extinct us if a similar event happens and western society is unable to adjust, leading to worldwide famine. Unironically a hyperinflationary spiral in the developed world is becoming a more and more likely example of such a catastrophe lol, but I digress.

The point is hubris is thinking that your selection is better than nature's when nature's is the only selection there is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:37:47 No.14098169 Report

Quoted By: >>14098208

>>14098148
>Defending obesity which correlates with diabetes type 2, heart disease, respiratory disease, kidney disease
We already violated "natural selection" along time ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:38:34 No.14098172 Report

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>>14096346
If we're talking about a true, anaphylactic allergy, then this seems like a great way to unintentionally kill millions through accidental exposures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:46:29 No.14098208 Report

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>>14098169
Think of it as maintaining a hedge against famine. Hedges can get expensive.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 21:26:06 No.14098402 Report

Quoted By: >>14098422 >>14098660

>>14096346
Ethics is the great filter.

>genetically engineer better humans?
B-b-but my taboo against GMOs and experiments with humans!!! M-muh god's image!! Don't play god!
>overpopulation and dwindling resources?
M-m-muh everyone should have the right to have 30 children they don't have the resources to raise!!! A-abortion is murder!! Contraceptives go against god! Birth control is evil! Gays bad cus no kids!
>Common practices are destroying living conditions?
B-but I NEED to drive my gas guzzling shitmobile because GM lobbied against public transport and electric vehicles 100 years ago! I NEED my imported trinkets from across the globe and my inefficient and rare meats! I-I-I just DO, okay!!! Y-you can't take away my right to do destructive shit!
>People becoming stupider?
Y-you can't sterilize redneck retards! Y-you can't just sterilize genetic defects! Le ebil!!! D-don't trust intelligence, math or science!!! I NEED the right to spread lies and convince people idiocy is good!!!
>Efforts to fix things are incoherent among entities and always sidetracked or dissolved by private interests.
N-noooooooo! You can't take away my individual rights!!! That's le -buzzword-ism!! Le ebil gubmint!! Think of the poor trillionares!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 21:29:54 No.14098416 Report

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>>14096346
You make one step in that direction, and before you know it, your grandchildren are genetically engineered to be allergic to dissent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 21:31:21 No.14098422 Report

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>>14098402
lol. all your likes are genetically bad people. i wonder if they'll ever find a cure for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 21:37:50 No.14098449 Report

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>>14096346
Thats not science thats media using science to render population childlike

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:06:10 No.14098613 Report

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>>14097964
>If morality is a negotiation between objects...

Pro tip: It's not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:15:04 No.14098660 Report

Quoted By: >>14098826

>>14098402
>convince people idiocy is good
It's ironic all modern world based on "rationality" and "science" created the most unhappy, stupid and complacent people in history

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:43:33 No.14098826 Report

Quoted By: >>14098829

>>14098660
There have been worse periods in human history, but those bad times were created by essentially the same narcissistic hubris responsible for the modern world. Either way, his point is lost on you, because he has never experienced any way of life besides the urbanite technocattle one, he's horrified by the prospect of it, and he believes that materialistic QoL measures are measures of happiness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:44:34 No.14098829 Report

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>>14098826
your point is lost on him*

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 23:11:55 No.14098949 Report

Quoted By: >>14099371

>>14097931
Agree entirely. I also think there is no problem attempting to bump the average IQ of nations by 10 or 20 points through polygenic screening. Imagine the USA/UK/France without their council estate/inner city "slums". You could even make it a "socially progressive" programme by offering it to lowest IQ people first - or make it so rich people have their babies polygenically screened, but they also have to pay for the polygenic screening of 3-10 other children from lower class backgrounds. Given "g factor" has decreased by about 15 points on average since victorian era I don't see the problem with this - you're just bumping up all of society.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 00:19:32 No.14099218 Report

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What if they make people allergic to meat with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 00:29:12 No.14099272 Report

Quoted By: >>14099285 >>14099291

>>14096346
Are people on 4chan allergic to posting links instead of screenshots, or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 00:30:51 No.14099285 Report

Quoted By: >>14099373

>>14099272
It's a tactic against IFLSers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 00:31:36 No.14099291 Report

Quoted By: >>14099373

>>14099272
I don't want You to read the article

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 00:50:22 No.14099371 Report

Quoted By: >>14099378

>>14098949
>Imagine the USA/UK/France without their council estate/inner city "slums".

Stop. Stop. It hurts too much. I've always imagined France/UK/Spain/Italy/Germany/Greece/ and all the Northern Snow Man Countries were still stable, clean, successful and culturally/racially homogeneous. Like early 90's technology meets 1950s dignity. Then a year ago I started reading the news. How could these great nations fall so low?

Cultivated Eugenics is the only solution. Perhaps the....Final Solution

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 00:50:48 No.14099373 Report

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>>14099291
>>14099285
It's on every board. /mu/, /v/, /pol/, /fit/, /k/, /biz/, /his/, /lit/, /g/, everywhere. I don't understand. Is it just easier? Do they not read the articles? Most media corporations brought in advertisement specialists in the early 2010's to teach their writers how to write clickbait titles which are just past the realm of libel, and often don't even line up with the articles themselves.

This was from a 2016 clip by a Taiwannese man. Opinion discarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 00:51:45 No.14099378 Report

Quoted By: >>14099443

>>14099371
i for one blame the banks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 01:08:28 No.14099443 Report

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>>14099378
I for one blame the white man. I mean how do you fuck up so badly? You ruled the planet. Literally the entire planet. Then you let globohomo in and now we can't colonize Mars because we gotta spend our money on trannies and welfare

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 01:10:19 No.14099455 Report

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If it wishes for politicians to subjugate all its institutions. Otherwise.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 01:21:24 No.14099521 Report

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>>14096346
>Should science
I don't know.

>Is it unethical
Yes.

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