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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 21:26:57 2022 No.14093594 View Reply Original Report

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Can somebody explain to me why not wanting to take a vaccine that is missing safety data is anti-science? Does that mean science is when you come to solid conclusions without the appropriate amount of data or testing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 21:28:18 No.14093602 Report

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it is not science, it is political retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 21:52:08 No.14093669 Report

Quoted By: >>14093695 >>14093697 >>14095096

>>14093594
Safety data will always be missing, there are countless safety studies you could run for a million different scenarios with any given substance. You'll have to be more specific about what safety data you'd like. The current mAb therapies for COVID you'd get in a hospital don't have long term safety data, nor do the antiviral pills just invented by Pfizer and Merck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 21:57:51 No.14093695 Report

Quoted By: >>14093765

>>14093669
>The current mAb therapies for COVID you'd get in a hospital don't have long term safety data, nor do the antiviral pills just invented by Pfizer and Merck.
Neither of those is a completely new class of drug like the mRNA vaccines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 21:58:02 No.14093697 Report

Quoted By: >>14093712 >>14093769

>>14093669
>Safety data will always be missing
that's pretty disingenuous when these vaccines are still in their original safety trials and they only last a few years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:02:28 No.14093712 Report

Quoted By: >>14093719

>>14093697
What trials?
Pfizer unblinded the first phase 2/3 trial after two months and vaccinated the control group.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:03:34 No.14093715 Report

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People who said these "vaccines" are sound "science" don't know what science is.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:04:47 No.14093717 Report

Quoted By: >>14093734 >>14094142 >>14097084 >>14103288

reminder how useless the vax is against omicron

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:05:10 No.14093719 Report

Quoted By: >>14093722

>>14093712
Their original clinical trials? Why are you being so disingenuous? Are you just a fucking moron and not know how clinical trials work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:07:00 No.14093722 Report

Quoted By: >>14093725 >>14098865

>>14093719
Who the fuck combines a phase 2 and 3 trial into one and unblinds it after two months?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:07:36 No.14093723 Report

Quoted By: >>14093747

>>14093594
Governments determined the risk of using untested vaccines was lower than letting everyone go unvaccinated and spreading the coof even faster
For this they use scare tactics to mobilize people, convert and recruit them
The reality is it's up to you as a person to rationalize the risks of either action and decide for yourself if you should get vaccinated or not
Personally I'm not vaccinated because in my daily life I have low risk of contacting infected people. I would likely consider getting vaccinated if I was still in school or in a dangerous risky job

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:08:09 No.14093725 Report

Quoted By: >>14093729 >>14093739 >>14093785 >>14095666

>>14093722
someone who wants to destroy the control group after a worrying amount of side effects are reported

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:09:14 No.14093729 Report

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>>14093725
Exactly

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:10:21 No.14093732 Report

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>>14093594
It's communist double talk, read fucking 1984.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:10:50 No.14093734 Report

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>>14093717
Conveniently hides the NEGATIVE effectiveness against omicron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:12:06 No.14093739 Report

Quoted By: >>14093742

>>14093725
>we have no idea if all these death are due to the vaccine because we forced everyone to take the vaccine therefore we have no control group

The vaccine passport will shoot them in the foot because there will be records for who and who hasn't had the vaccine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:13:08 No.14093742 Report

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>>14093739
>The vaccine passport will shoot them in the foot because there will be records for who and who hasn't had the vaccine.

The snake bites its own tail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:13:16 No.14093746 Report

Quoted By: >>14093762 >>14094337

>>14093732
the revised feminist version or the original?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:13:19 No.14093747 Report

Quoted By: >>14093806

>>14093723
>Governments determined the risk of using untested vaccines was lower than letting everyone go unvaccinated and spreading the coof even faster

That is their justification for using EUA, not mandating them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:17:29 No.14093762 Report

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>>14093746
What do you think?
The original, which is based on Communist Russia and uses the Chinese Re-Education program in the toture scene towards the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:18:38 No.14093765 Report

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>>14093695
>Not an entirely new class of drugs
As if this somehow makes them inherently more safe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:19:51 No.14093769 Report

Quoted By: >>14093792

>>14093697
Considering all of the vaccine components have long been digested/excreted by the body by the 6th month time point, what safety events do you expect to arise and how long do we have to wait to see them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:22:32 No.14093785 Report

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>>14093725
How does that work exactly? Wouldn't the control group vaccinating being the same results?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:24:12 No.14093792 Report

Quoted By: >>14093810

>>14093769
Aren't we literally studying a side effect that happens within a week after injection? Myocarditis? I don't understand how you think with the lack of data on Myocarditis rates you'd think we know anything about long term side effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:27:00 No.14093806 Report

Quoted By: >>14093904

>>14093747
Aren't they approved by the fda though by now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:27:53 No.14093810 Report

Quoted By: >>14093820

>>14093792
Why would you expect long term side effects from things that literally aren't in your body any more. I don't remove a splinter and then wonder what the side effects will be a year after, I treat the wound and make sure it doesn't get infected in the short term. Myocarditis is a short term side effect that occurs while the vaxx components are still in your system. Who takes a single ibuprofen dose and wonders 10 years later what havoc it is still wreaking on their body?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:31:46 No.14093820 Report

Quoted By: >>14093829

>>14093810
Ibuprofen causes long term kidney and liver damage, you think because it's not in your body anymore that kidney and liver damage wouldn't affect you 10 years later?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:34:34 No.14093829 Report

Quoted By: >>14093847 >>14093909

>>14093820
No, repeat dosing causes long term kidney damage or an acute single dosing event that exceeds a safe dose. If booster shots are expected to be the norm, long term study of repeat doses is warranted, but the two dose course that was part of the original study had sufficient safety data and the potential adverse events are reported by the manufacturer and are included in the vaccine inserts. Understanding the myocarditis events will help design better next-gen medicines, but the events are so rare that the FDA deemed that a warning on the insert was sufficient.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:38:10 No.14093847 Report

Quoted By: >>14093911

>>14093829
>No, repeat dosing causes long term kidney damage
wrong, even 1 dose can cause long term damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:52:57 No.14093904 Report

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>>14093806
Only Pfizer. The substance that was approved is legally distinct from what it being used now under EUA. There are a small number of differences between the two though Pfizer hasn't been forthcoming on what those small difference are. Some believe an anti-clotting agent has been added to reduce heart problems. In the US, the Pfizer substance approved by the FDA will not be available until the trials are all over and only if the adverse events from those trials are under a particular threshold. What is being injected now is not what the FDA approved though it is similar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:55:19 No.14093909 Report

Quoted By: >>14093922

>>14093829
not only that but you do not know the long term effects of vaccine induced myocarditis or even recently learn about menstrual cycle issues. both of these could cause long term effects, no? So even after 1 - 2 doses of the vaccine it causes long term side effects we are still studying. How you say long term study isn't warranted for the first 2 vaccine doses then you are against science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:56:02 No.14093911 Report

Quoted By: >>14093926

>>14093847
>Even one dose can cause long term damage
One recommended dose (aka 800mg or less to a healthy individual)? And does the long term damage occur within a short timeframe (0-6 months) or suddenly occur 5 years after the dose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:59:09 No.14093922 Report

Quoted By: >>14093953 >>14094076

>>14093909
>Long term effects from adverse events of COVID vaccine
That's not the same thing. Long term effects of myocarditis will only affect the people who are affected by myocarditis, which is a small enough number of people for the FDA to have approved the drug with a warning on the label. Long term side effects does not refer to long-lasting effects that happen shortly after the dose, it refers to side effects that don't appear until much later after dosing has started. Long term side effects are more important for drugs which have repeat and regular dosing, like a medicine you take daily or weekly for years. When is the last time you went to the doctor for a problem that started in your 20's and they tried to blame it on the chickenpox vaccine you got when you were a baby?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 22:59:50 No.14093926 Report

Quoted By: >>14093938

>>14093911
many people don't have kidney damage symptoms until years later. how would they know, or even doctors know?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:02:05 No.14093938 Report

Quoted By: >>14093964

>>14093926
Post a single study that demonstrates long term kidney damage from a single appropriate dose of ibuprofen in a healthy individual. How could you even attribute the kidney damage to a single dose of ibuprofen you took 5 years ago?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:05:21 No.14093953 Report

Quoted By: >>14093967

>>14093922
bro, how you are simultaneously arguing that long term effects need to be seen in a short time frame while also arguing that long term effects don't appear until much later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:08:45 No.14093964 Report

Quoted By: >>14093979

>>14093938
if a single dose of ibuprofen has no dangerous side effects but a single dose of the vaccine does why the fuck did you compare them in the first place?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:09:12 No.14093967 Report

Quoted By: >>14093994 >>14094084 >>14094768 >>14102333

>>14093953
>Long term effects need to be seen in a short time frame
I never said this, you probably misunderstood me. If the vaccine is an acute event and the compounds are cleared from your body quickly, how long do you need to wait before you are content with the apparent effects of the drug? If it was something you took daily or weekly, it would be different since effects can occur when your body is constantly exposed to a drug over a long time. I already stated previously that regular booster shots could warrant long-term safety data requirements, though the period between doses would be sufficient for your body to clear the drug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:12:54 No.14093979 Report

Quoted By: >>14093994

>>14093964
You're asking the wrong questions which are making you come to the wrong conclusion. A single acute dose may have side effects while the drug is in your body, but once it is cleared then what is going to be causing adverse events? The vaccine did cause adverse events including myocarditis in the rest group, but those events all happened shortly after receiving a dose and the drug was still in the body or the effects of the drug were still ongoing. After the affected cells are cleared by your immune system, what are you saying is going to be causing issues? It'd be a different story if you constantly had the vaccine in your body via accumulating doses by repeat exposures such as taking a dose every day like many other medicines. The side effects reported for the vaccine in the trials are on the warning label, what's the problem? It's not an argument of what single dose of any drug is safer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:17:02 No.14093994 Report

Quoted By: >>14094001

>>14093967
>>14093979
If these vaccines causes something like kidney damage how would we know if symptoms don't appear years later?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:18:52 No.14094001 Report

Quoted By: >>14094020

>>14093994
When are you suggesting the initial event that led to kidney damage occured? During the dose period but didn't become noticeable until years later, or are you saying it didn't occur during the dose period and then magically started five years later?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:18:56 No.14094002 Report

Quoted By: >>14094023 >>14095634 >>14095642 >>14096362 >>14096499 >>14096518

Not a single right wing dumb fuck has been able to answer why or how the vaccine will affect people in 10 years when the vaccine stays in your body at maximum 12 months (which is why we need boosters)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:21:32 No.14094020 Report

Quoted By: >>14094033

>>14094001
https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/long-term-side-effect

Since you need help with the "long term side effect" here is the definition. It can cause damage during the dose period and continue years later and be a long term side effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:22:06 No.14094023 Report

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>>14094002
The vaccine doesn't even stay in your body for months, just the antibodies. The vaccine components and resultant proteins from the mRNA transcription are already long gone by then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:24:17 No.14094033 Report

Quoted By: >>14094035

>>14094020
>And can continue years later
In this case, the initial side effect would have already occured during the 6-month safety study and would simply be continuing in anybody affected. Thus, we would already know all possible adverse events and their relative occurences, and they have shown to occur in a very negligible amount of the population. What's the excuse for hesitancy, then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:25:16 No.14094035 Report

Quoted By: >>14094043

>>14094033
Are you saying we know all possible adverse events of the vaccine right now? Is that what i've been arguing with the whole time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:26:43 No.14094043 Report

Quoted By: >>14094046

>>14094035
What adverse events do you hypothesize that we are not seeing, and why have we not seen them when millions of people have been dosed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:28:32 No.14094046 Report

Quoted By: >>14094059 >>14094071 >>14096370

>>14094043
There are millions of vaccine side effects reported to VAERS from these vaccines. what is your definition of "not seen"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:31:35 No.14094059 Report

Quoted By: >>14094097 >>14094103

>>14094046
Imagine believing self reports are even worth talking about l m a o

This is /sci/ not /lgbt/

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:34:13 No.14094071 Report

Quoted By: >>14094097 >>14094103 >>14094258

>>14094046
VAERS is not a database of vaccine side effects, it is a public reporting system for adverse events experienced during an acute period after receiving a vaccine. It was basically created in response to the original anti-vaxx movement dealing with autism and its creation coincided with the removal of legal liability from vaccine manufacturers (government assumed legal responsibility and financial risk). VAERS reports are investigated by manufacturers and health authorities, but their findings are not reported publicly. Furthermore, the reports in VAERS concern side effects that happen in the short timeframe after receiving the vaccine, not years down the road. Once again, I fail to understand the hesitancy and reliance on VAERS which has multiple disclaimers telling you NOT to form conclusions from the raw reports.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:35:04 No.14094076 Report

Quoted By: >>14094117

>>14093922
The level of cope in this post, very brainwashed and does not follow any form of logical flow of thought. Vaccine causes damage, why would we take it for a virus with a 99.98% chance of survival (round up to 100%), and repeatedly take it?

/Sci/

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:36:58 No.14094084 Report

Quoted By: >>14094121

>>14093967
Have you considered that each dose slowly scars and damage organ tissue? Even if the doses don’t kill you directly, the damage you sustain will surely wear and weaken your body.. This must be factored in

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:39:01 No.14094097 Report

Quoted By: >>14094117

>>14094059
>>14094071
Are you guys suggesting that none of the reported side effects are real? The ones we haven't done extensive studies on specifically.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:39:45 No.14094103 Report

Quoted By: >>14094125

>>14094059
>>14094071
VAERS, Eudra Vigilance, Yellow card, all reach the same conclusion: This is the most dangerous “vaccine” of all time. You can try to attack VAERS itself instead of analyzing the data within it, but let’s be real, you folks are giga vaxxed shills and have no scientific integrity whatsoever

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:43:38 No.14094117 Report

Quoted By: >>14094129

>>14094097
>Are you guys suggesting none of the reported side effects are real?
The top side effects reported to VAERS are things like headaches, chills, diarrhea, fatigue, fever... The same side effects that are already on the warning label and which were caught in the safety studies. Any side effects you're saying are occuring but aren't caught must have extraordinarily low risk, so once again I ask you why you are so cautious about it?

>>14094076
>Vaccine causes damage
It's not a binary statement of causing damage or not causing damage, it's a risk assessment. The risk of suffering significant short term or long term damage from the vaccine is extraordinarily low and has already been revealed by the existing safety studies. What is waiting 10 more years going to reveal when the vaccine is cleared by the body in less than a month?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:44:59 No.14094121 Report

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>>14094084
>Have you considered what multiple doses could do
Yes, I literally discussed it in the post you replied to and advocated for the benefit of studies which look at the effects of multiple doses over a long period of time. Have you considered reading an entire post before replying to it? Have you considered that I could ever concede a point to you while still arguing the main topic against you?

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:47:13 No.14094125 Report

Quoted By: >>14094421 >>14096871

>>14094103
>The most dangerous vaccine of all time
No, it's the most publicized vaccine of all time and also the most politicized. Nobody knew about VAERS except for crazy moms and a handful of other people before 2020. Now everybody who has an opinion on COVID or the vaccine knows about VAERS and can type a report. Couple that with everyone simultaneously receiving a dose of the vaccine, it's not surprising that there is a surge in reporting. Unfortunately, reports don't mean anything until they are processed and evaluated as to whether or not they are an effect of the vaccine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:48:39 No.14094129 Report

Quoted By: >>14094152 >>14094171

>>14094117
https://www.yahoo.com/news/womens-periods-may-coronavirus-vaccination-131424573.html

>A study published Thursday found that women’s menstrual cycles did indeed change after vaccination against the coronavirus. The authors reported that women who were inoculated had slightly longer menstrual cycles after receiving the vaccine than those who were not vaccinated.

>The study, in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology, is one of the first to support anecdotal reports from women that their menstrual cycles were off after vaccination, said Dr. Hugh Taylor, chair of the department of obstetrics, gynecology and reproductive sciences at Yale School of Medicine.

This article was posted 5 days ago. I assume you'd argue that 1 month ago we didn't know all the side effects of the vaccine. right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:50:20 No.14094135 Report

Quoted By: >>14094152 >>14094172

>>14093594
safety data is not missing. 10 billion doses have been administered over a two year period. zero proof that any adverse effects were caused by the vaccine apart from some anecdotal evidence. what other proof do you need?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:51:33 No.14094142 Report

Quoted By: >>14094159

>>14093717
wtf is this horseshit with no source? omicron hasn't even existed that long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:54:04 No.14094152 Report

Quoted By: >>14094178

>>14094135
>>14094129
this was posted 5 days ago, it supports that anecdotal evidence reported were real side effects from the vaccine. I assume 1 month ago you'd say that safety data is missing? Yes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:56:05 No.14094159 Report

Quoted By: >>14094169

>>14094142
The data isn't restricted to how long Omicron has existed, it's about how long the vaccines have existed since that what the X-axis is representing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:58:01 No.14094169 Report

Quoted By: >>14094179

>>14094159
this makes no sense. it estimates the effectiveness of the vaccine against omicron over a period of 6 moths to a year even though omicron first appeared 2 months ago, hello?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:58:26 No.14094171 Report

Quoted By: >>14094174

>>14094129
>Shortly after coronavirus vaccines were rolled out about a year ago, women started reporting erratic menstrual cycles after receiving the shots.
So it was caught basically right as the shots were first being made available to the public

>Their periods, which came almost a day later on average, were not prolonged, however, and the effect was transient, with cycle lengths bouncing back to normal within one or two months.
So they were not long-term side effects

What's your point, again? Not sure if you read your own news article, friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:58:36 No.14094172 Report

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>>14094135
>zero proof of vaccine side effects have been reported
>10 billion doses administered
10 billion doses of literally anything would cause at least one reaction. Either troll or incredibly retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:59:01 No.14094174 Report

Quoted By: >>14094188

>>14094171
It's a side effect, would you say 1 month ago we didn't have all the data on side effects?
Yes or no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:59:50 No.14094178 Report

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>>14094152
>a study
yeah, if you shop for corona related "studies" you can find anything you want. of course the fine print would be who published the study, where it was published, who funded it, what is the citation index, etc. but who is going to verify all that. it is all political.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:00:15 No.14094179 Report

Quoted By: >>14094203

>>14094169
If you got vaccinated a year ago and caught Omicron this week, your data point would be at the one year point because the X-axis corresponds to how long you've been vaccinated. Meanwhile, someone who got vaccinated two months ago would be in the first data point if they also got Omicron this week. The time that you caught Omicron doesn't matter, and that's why it doesn't matter how long Omicron has been around. I understand your confusion, I also had the same question at first before I realized how to read the data and another anon explained to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:02:23 No.14094188 Report

Quoted By: >>14094206

>>14094174
The article posted says that the side effect was being observed and tracked over a year ago, so if you're implying that it was only known a month ago, I'd have to say "no, you're wrong." When it comes to any other potential adverse events, I can't predict the future, but obviously any adverse events that aren't apparent in a population of 100+million who have taken the vaccine, the odds of the event are extraordinarily low and I would consider the caution over that infinitesimally small level of unknowns to be irrational.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:03:21 No.14094194 Report

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>>14093594
Since faith in god has deteriorated people who think they’re smart by not believing in god just put their faith in humans who claim to know what they’re talking about
Anyone who’s ever been in even the smallest position of authority knows that you don’t actually have know what you’re talking about, you only have to appear that you do, and people will still listen to you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:04:53 No.14094203 Report

Quoted By: >>14094227

>>14094179
Ah OK. Still, where is this data from, what was the methodology and the sample group size? Delta doesn't even exist anymore. Also what about the booster shot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:05:51 No.14094206 Report

Quoted By: >>14094236

>>14094188
So you're saying anecdotal reports of vaccine side effects are valid then. That makes all reports to VAERS valid. Imagine your back breaking this hard because you don't want to concede to anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:06:35 No.14094212 Report

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>>14093594
That feeling is normal, anon. The immoral part is how Big Pharma is strong arming the entire world into taking whatever medicine it claims is the treatment for the latest panic. This is a massive step toward having no rights as a lowly goy. Take this medicine or you don't eat, Goyim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:09:02 No.14094225 Report

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>>14093594
Fauci

HIV

AID's epidemic

Look up his role in that and spreading the HIV to gays.

"Dallas Buyer's Club" movie.

People who have taken some of the vaccines are now testing positive for HIV. Doctors say they don't have HIV but are testing positive for it anyway.

Do you "trust the science"? The same people who say men can have babies and that whites burning oil is bad but if China does it it is ok?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:09:29 No.14094227 Report

Quoted By: >>14094260

>>14094203
I don't have the answer for that, but I've seen this study posted around. There is data for the booster in vitro:
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2821%2901496-3

I remember another study which came out recently, but that's on my work laptop and I can't be bothered to dig it out right now. Showed the same thing, decline to ~40% efficacy against symptomatic illness for delta after so many months, but 0% for Omicron. Keep in mind, that's symptomatic illness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:11:12 No.14094236 Report

Quoted By: >>14094243 >>14094283

>>14094206
Anecdotal reports are not inherently valuable or valid to form a conclusion on. Not sure how you can try to twist my words on that one, I already told you that reports have to be investigated before their value can be measured. VAERS does not report the findings of investigations for any reports, so VAERS is not inherently valuable to the public.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:12:39 No.14094243 Report

Quoted By: >>14094250 >>14094258

>>14094236
VAERS has been abused by anti vaxxers for years even before the covid. Imagine now that is a political issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:14:10 No.14094250 Report

Quoted By: >>14094260

>>14094243
Source:
>dude, trust me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:15:52 No.14094256 Report

Quoted By: >>14094268

>>14093594
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356248984_Worldwide_Bayesian_Causal_Impact_Analysis_of_Vaccine_Administration_on_Deaths_and_Cases_Associated_with_COVID-19_A_BigData_Analysis_of_145_Countries
This guy ran some analysis on data and came to some pretty horrifying results. I was looking at his code and see that it comes from Rstudio and I am assuming it is written in R. After modifying all of the parts according to the instructions, if I got the correct Rutils would I be able just put all of this code in one file, compile, and run? Can I just script kid this without learning R?
Is R the most often used tool for statistical analysis or is there some other language that would be better to focus on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:16:34 No.14094258 Report

Quoted By: >>14094272

>>14094243
Yep, I mentioned that here >>14094071. The OG anti-vaxxer movement was the first group of conspiracy theorists I spent a lot of time arguing with back on FB... Good times. Once I got banned from that group, it was on to Flat Earth and Chemtrails... HAARP, anti-fluoride, qanon, anti-5G, I've seen it all. It's a good exercise in logic and reasoning, you really have to back up what you're saying with actual science and facts. You can't just tell a Flat Earther that the Earth is round just because it is, you have to understand all of the different observable phenomena that make their world model impossible. Even if you never convince your opponent, you've at least sharpened your mind and your debate skills.. Probably why I waste so much time arguing with people on /sci/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:16:51 No.14094260 Report

Quoted By: >>14094274

>>14094227
>that's symptomatic illness.
Too many metrics, too much data, it is out of control. Sounds like we have to keep in mind at least 4 metrics: asymptomatic, symptomatic, hospitalization, and death. And calculate percentage for each one. I don't think it is even possible until the dust settles at some point.

>>14094250
Duh it is the definition of VAERS. Anyone can submit an adverse effect. The data is not verified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:18:01 No.14094268 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094256
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356248984_Worldwide_Bayesian_Causal_Impact_Analysis_of_Vaccine_Administration_on_Deaths_and_Cases_Associated_with_COVID-19_A_BigData_Analysis_of_145_Countries
>Download paper
>Ctrl+F
>"VAERS"
>Mentions raw VAERS data as evidence of deaths absolutely attributed to COVID vaccine
Dropped

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:18:18 No.14094272 Report

Quoted By: >>14094285

>>14094258
>Yep, I mentioned that here
Oh I didn't notice it. Good point.

>first group of conspiracy theorists I spent a lot of time arguing with back on FB... Good times
Back when they claimed literally all vaccines caused autism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:19:07 No.14094274 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094260
I agree, obviously people are most concerned with symptomatic illness since nobody wants to be sick, but avoiding hospitalization (huge bills, long-term health implications) or death is obviously a big benefit of being vaccinated even if you still might get sick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:20:39 No.14094283 Report

Quoted By: >>14094309 >>14094320

>>14094236
VAERS does not need to report findings of investigations for anecdotal evidence to be valuable. Just like twitter does not need to report findings for anecdotal tweets to be valuable. It is a database to show what people are reporting. You're not arguing anything here, these reports are still being actively investigated regardless of what VAERS does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:21:26 No.14094285 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094272
They kept arguing that thiomersal was causing autism because it's ethylmercury, and then they would talk about Karen Wetterhahn's death due to methylmercury which is a completely different molecule. That's before we even talk about how thiomersal isn't even included in childhood vaccines anymore.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:28:05 No.14094309 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094283
>anecdotal evidence is valuable
Not to your point. If anything, the amount of VAERS reports is interesting as it represents the amount of hysteria that can be generated about a vaccine during a crisis. As stated previously, 98% of the US population didn't even know what VAERS was until COVID happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:31:12 No.14094320 Report

Quoted By: >>14094329 >>14094341

>>14094283
>these reports are still being actively investigated
Oh really. Where can we see the results of the "investigation"? Thousands of vaccine related adverse events have been reported since last year. You'd think that by now the investigation would come up with some kind of a trend capable of implicating a particular treatment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:34:18 No.14094329 Report

Quoted By: >>14094348 >>14094353

>>14094320
The results of the investigations, if they came about, would be announced by the FDA and manufacturer and they would be adding more warnings to the label or removing the product from the market. Considering nothing has happened yet and it's been two years, I'd say all of the risks worth considering are already advertised on the warning label. Anybody who is still waiting for something more is just making excuses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:35:30 No.14094337 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093746
there is a revised version of 1984?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:36:16 No.14094341 Report

Quoted By: >>14094356

>>14094320
>The article posted says that the side effect was being observed and tracked over a year ago
and the first investigational result happened a week ago.

So an adverse effect reported over a year ago was given the first result a week ago, I repeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:37:34 No.14094348 Report

Quoted By: >>14094360

>>14094329
Anon, you are making too much sense among all the autistic screeching on this retarded board. Are you a tourist from real life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:38:56 No.14094353 Report

Quoted By: >>14094367 >>14094375 >>14094376

>>14094329
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-12-15-fda-updates-jj-covid-19-vaccine-fact-sheets-warn-thrombosis-risk

>December 15th, 2021

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:39:23 No.14094356 Report

Quoted By: >>14094367

>>14094341
>period was delayed by a day
Yes, this was the devasrtating long term effect you were warning me about. Anti-vaxxers, I kneel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:40:24 No.14094360 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094348
No, I'm just an actual employed scientist with an advanced degree who probably shouldn't be visiting 4chan any more. Been here since high school, and you know what they say... You can never leave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:42:26 No.14094367 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094356
>>14094353
Is thrombosis better for you? The FDA put a warning less than a month ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:43:39 No.14094375 Report

Quoted By: >>14094381 >>14094408

>>14094353
So it is all good? They listened to you and added a warning. There is no conspiracy, no cover up of the millions of deaths? What are you people bitching about then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:43:55 No.14094376 Report

Quoted By: >>14094381

>>14094353
>https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-12-15-fda-updates-jj-covid-19-vaccine-fact-sheets-warn-thrombosis-risk
This event was known for months before it was made official. I got my clot shot in April and the reports were already coming out about AZ and J&J.
>(approximately one case per 100,000 administered doses)
>1 in 7 chance of dying from event if you get it
>0.000143% chance of dying from J&J shot
COVID deniers love to make up underestimated death rates for the virus, but even the classic "99.98" survival rate is much worse than the survival rate of the J&J shot. Next? What long term effect has not been observed which would have a worse outcome than a COVID infection?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:45:02 No.14094381 Report

Quoted By: >>14094386 >>14094651

>>14094375
>>14094376
>The results of the investigations, if they came about, would be announced by the FDA and manufacturer and they would be adding more warnings to the label or removing the product from the market. Considering nothing has happened yet and it's been two years, I'd say all of the risks worth considering are already advertised on the warning label. Anybody who is still waiting for something more is just making excuses.
this is what you said.
>The results of the investigations, if they came about, would be announced by the FDA and manufacturer and they would be adding more warnings to the label or removing the product from the market. Considering nothing has happened yet and it's been two years, I'd say all of the risks worth considering are already advertised on the warning label. Anybody who is still waiting for something more is just making excuses.
>The results of the investigations, if they came about, would be announced by the FDA and manufacturer and they would be adding more warnings to the label or removing the product from the market. Considering nothing has happened yet and it's been two years, I'd say all of the risks worth considering are already advertised on the warning label. Anybody who is still waiting for something more is just making excuses.
here it is 2 more times. That is what I responded to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:46:16 No.14094386 Report

Quoted By: >>14094394

>>14094381
you are replying to different posters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:48:54 No.14094394 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094386
They both responded to me, I'm adding context to what my post was for because clearly both of them lack intelligence and did not respond in the context of what my post was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:50:27 No.14094400 Report

Quoted By:

Hey.
Should I get the shot if I haven't been sick yet and everyone else has

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:52:54 No.14094408 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094375
Forced medicine doesn't go down easy. The commons don't get paid to experiment with the new juice. They get threatened with losing their jobs if they don't take it. Your side gets fat and happy off pushing new meds. Theirs gets endless regimens they will have to pay for in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:56:10 No.14094421 Report

Quoted By: >>14094642 >>14096377

>>14094125
VAERS, Eudra Vigilance, Yellow Card

3 different systems, all show the same adverse reactions and deaths.. Any post attacking the credibility of VAERS is ultimate COPE

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:08:01 No.14094459 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093594
Recent ontario data

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:17:31 No.14094477 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093594
> Can somebody explain to me why not wanting to take a vaccine that is missing safety data is anti-science?
Asking for data is pro-science but anti-authority

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:01:51 No.14094642 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094421
Yes, every adverse event is supremely important

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:04:12 No.14094651 Report

Quoted By: >>14094671 >>14094854

>>14094381
Yes, and I responded that the odds of dying from thrombocytopenia from J&J are over 100x less than dying from COVID. While it is an additional adverse event, it's extremely rare and the risk doesn't outweigh the risk of contracting COVID. Furthermore, given the rarity, anything which hasn't been found yet which would be a serious event would be even MORE rare than this 1 in 100,000 event. So what, you're waiting for more data for even more rare adverse events? As I've said in this thread countless times, at what point do you say you've seen enough data and elect to take a vaccine? It's been a year now, anything that hasn't been caught yet is extremely elusive and rare or extremely harmless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:07:48 No.14094671 Report

Quoted By: >>14094700

>>14094651
>at what point do you say you've seen enough data
sometime after clinical trials are over

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:15:14 No.14094700 Report

Quoted By: >>14094747 >>14094858

>>14094671
In your opinion, how long should a clinical trial last to make sure it observes for all safety related events, and how long should it last to observe efficacy? I'm expecting an answer for both questions, they can be the same answer if you'd like. I'd also like to hear your justification.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:28:50 No.14094747 Report

Quoted By: >>14094770

>>14094700
I'm not answering those questions. waiting for clinical trials to be over to say i've seen enough data is a reasonable ask. I don't understand why you think otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:35:53 No.14094768 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093967
>daily or weekly
Coming soon, brought to you by Pfizer™

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:36:17 No.14094770 Report

Quoted By: >>14094775

>>14094747
>I'm not answering those questions
Then how do you know if the clinical trials are even sufficient to provide the answers you want? I think the fact that you couldn't even answer these questions with an educated estimate tells me that you lack even basic scientific reasoning or critical thinking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:38:16 No.14094775 Report

Quoted By: >>14094783 >>14102333

>>14094770
The reason I didn't want to answer is because I knew those questions would move to you completely undermining the clinical trials process which you are doing right now. These vaccines were literally give Operation warp speed and they're still in clinical trials and you're here trying to say these clinical trials are unneeded. You are not arguing in good faith

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:41:21 No.14094783 Report

Quoted By: >>14094793 >>14094986 >>14102333

>>14094775
I'm not saying the clinical trials aren't needed, I am asking you what additional safety data will be revealed by people who have long-since cleared the doses from their bodies? If anything, the most valuable data from the clinical trials now will be the efficacy and how that needle moves until the end of the trials.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:45:55 No.14094793 Report

Quoted By: >>14094813

>>14094783
>I'm not saying the clinical trials aren't needed.
you are. you're entire conversation in this thread is suggesting that clinical trials aren't needed. And now you're suggesting that clinical trials are now only being looked at for efficacy. There's no point in having a conversation with you anymore, you are not arguing in good faith. Goodbye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:54:18 No.14094813 Report

Quoted By: >>14094998 >>14102333

>>14094793
Lmao ok my friend. I literally just told you that the outcome of the clinical efficacy data will definitely be something which will require the full clinical trial to understand. Meanwhile, the safety data can be expedited (which it was by the FDA) because the drug is two discrete doses which have been shown to completely clear the body. Once they are gone, there is not much more data to collect as there is no drug in the body to cause sudden adverse events. Furthermore, Pfizer and Moderna unblinded their trials and offered vaccines to the control groups so there is no control for the safety data beyond what was available during approval. You are waiting for nothing, there is no more data which you will have from the trials when they conclude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:58:33 No.14094826 Report

Quoted By: >>14094980

>>14093594
>take a vaccine that is missing safety data is anti-science
It's not anti-science, and that data should be released (loool @ 75 years), but let's not pretend that even if data indicated 100% safety (impossible) the anti-vax niggers would be satisfied. They're invested in this now -- it's part of their attention-whoring, I-am-important identity, and there's a sunk cost in play -- so the data would be rationalized as a Big Pharma fabrication.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:07:59 No.14094854 Report

Quoted By: >>14094867

>>14094651
Why do nyou fucks not understand natural immunity?
CDC considers people immune when they get measles and get well after it naturally
By dec 2020 america had 60% with antibdoes

which is now 90%+
Everyone has natural immunity
i9f you want to fit in to society ,it's not gonna happen by following mainstream media.
that ain't gonna resolve your issues mate

The entire point of vaccine is to give yout Tmem Cells ,which you already have.
Better stop shouting this hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:09:11 No.14094858 Report

Quoted By: >>14094874

>>14094700
See how long it took before covid to pass vaccine

and learn about ARR and RRR

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:11:26 No.14094867 Report

Quoted By: >>14094972

>>14094854
I never denied the benefits of natural immunity, so quit projecting. My argument still stands, vaccines are safer than a natural infection, or they were until Omicron. Still not interested in a "mild" case where I lose my smell and taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:13:21 No.14094874 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094858
I didn't find ARR to be very enlightening, it will probably be more relevant at the end of the trial but when they reported the data most of the placebo group hadn't been infected. Once most of the placebo group has been infected, I'll be much more interested in ARR as it will be more representative of a real world situation where COVID is endemic and everyone gets it eventually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:51:11 No.14094972 Report

Quoted By: >>14094982

>>14094867
You have no point, the viruses are practically not lethal to a majority of the population, and the vaccines are dangerous and killing people.

Zero benefit, major risks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:53:17 No.14094980 Report

Quoted By: >>14102333

>>14094826
More like, you are so invested into believing these vaccines actually do something not negative, that you will believe anything that remotely suits your case.

Hospitals aren’t packed, viruses aren’t killing, but vaccines definitely are

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:54:00 No.14094982 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094972
>Zero benefit, major risks
Why can't you actually make an argument instead of making obviously false statements?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:54:58 No.14094986 Report

Quoted By: >>14094990 >>14103300

>>14094783
You have robot like critical thinking skills, congratulations

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:56:45 No.14094990 Report

Quoted By: >>14095013

>>14094986
Meanwhile you post an image riddled with false statements. True pottery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:59:39 No.14094998 Report

Quoted By: >>14095006

>>14094813
Every drug adverse event database on the planet claim these vaccines are dangerous.

We don’t have clinical trial data.

Yet here we are injecting the whole planet, and attempting to place regulations on people for not accepting this OBVIOUSLY dangerous vaccine. Lmao let me stress OBVIOUSLY dangerous, can’t believe all of us here are even having this conversation

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:02:38 No.14095006 Report

Quoted By: >>14095036 >>14095041

>>14094998
Yes, you're right. The government is trying to cull the entire workforce by forcing deadly vaccines onto them so that everyone is dead except for the elites, who will subsequently starve and freeze to death in the winter due to no farmers or energy production.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:03:38 No.14095013 Report

Quoted By: >>14096392

>>14094990
>True Pottery.
Nice bait, I’ve lost count of all the smoking guns there are that show there are many drugs which can work to treat viruses (not only COVID), which are CHEAP, yet many like ((you)) want to inject death shots into everyone’s arms

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:11:07 No.14095036 Report

Quoted By:

>>14095006
if you don't think the government is operating on fear then you do not live in reality. And basing policies off fear is dangerous, regardless of people's intentions.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:11:59 No.14095041 Report

Quoted By:

>>14095006
I feel sorry for people like you who have absolutely zero ability to think outside the box and obtain facts
>Event 201
>SPARS Pandemic scenario
>Rockefeller’s Operation Lockstep

Listen to Klaus Schwab himself, of the World Economic Forum, tell you all the stakeholders involved that back the WEF:
3 min 50 seconds:
https://youtu.be/EFl_V9tEYm0

You probably are a shill though, but I’m sure some people here seek the truth, all you need to do is listen to Klaus here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:28:37 No.14095096 Report

Quoted By: >>14095164

>>14093669
It true you can’t prove something to be 100% safe, but it was up to Pfizer to demonstrate it was safe with a trial and they didn’t do that. It just got emergency approved and they are now abusing that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:50:29 No.14095164 Report

Quoted By:

>>14095096
>hey what’s up Pfizer we’re gonna give you an obscene amount of money to develop a drug as fast as possible
>your product will be sold to the entire world for a massive profit
>nah you don’t have to share your trial data we’ll just believe your reports
>don’t forget though, it’s a race with the other pharmaceutical companies for the biggest market in the history of the world. Don’t let that incentivize you to cut every corner you can though that would be unethical

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 08:25:26 No.14095634 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094002
test

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 08:29:34 No.14095642 Report

Quoted By: >>14096373

>>14094002
Here is an example of a possible mechanism:
The vaccine causes damage in the blood vessels. After a few weeks, there is no more vaccine in the body, but many blood vessels are slightly damaged, and not all of them will heal. This means that the heart has to work slightly harder to pump blood, and that some areas are less well oxygenated. After years and years of the herat working harder and areas being less oxygenated, you see the heart or the less oxygenated areas failing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 08:37:58 No.14095666 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093725
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 12:44:08 No.14096362 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094002
>Not a single left wing dumb fuck has been able to answer why or how long covid will affect people in 10 years when the virus stays in your body at maximum a few months

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 12:46:00 No.14096370 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094046
VAERS side effects include, but aren't limited to: pregnancy, cancer, syphilis, and death of pet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 12:47:15 No.14096373 Report

Quoted By: >>14097209

>>14095642
It was supposed to cause damage in the blood vessels. But Japanese studies show that it accumulates in different organs and cause damage there too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 12:48:33 No.14096377 Report

Quoted By: >>14097222

>>14094421
All three systems show pregnancy as a symptom of the vaccine. Ergo, vaccine cause pregnancy. Right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 12:54:43 No.14096392 Report

Quoted By: >>14096475

>>14095013
Sauce? If X is identified as Y at time t, them it's entirely possible X is later recognized as ~Y at later time T > t. Therefore the source could be entirely accurate to claim ivermectin was identified as a curative, but go on to say it isn't a curative. So, post the source faggot.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:21:39 No.14096475 Report

Quoted By: >>14096738 >>14097260

>>14096392
Cute, you are still in school. You probably heard about Project Veritas finding the DARPA connection to the making of the virus.

Funny part is this information has been known for more than a year

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:29:05 No.14096499 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094002
these are the same retards who screech about long covid. fuck off already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 13:33:08 No.14096518 Report

Quoted By:

>>14094002
This is not how safety is determined. It is the onus of the manufacturer to prove safety of their vaccine, not just wait around for an oopsy. There are plenty of drugs that have been taken off market for dangers after the fact.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 14:36:24 No.14096738 Report

Quoted By:

>>14096475
Wow super scary. What is this government organization doing talking about trannies??

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 14:54:08 No.14096803 Report

Quoted By:

Brainlet here, is COVID really gonna make my penor shrink? My dick is unironically one of very few redeemable things about me, I really don't want anything to happen to it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/catching-covid-can-cause-your-22733656.amp

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:16:52 No.14096871 Report

Quoted By: >>14098630

>>14094125
This is not true. Even public surveillance monitoring system systematically shows the same thing - mRNA and adenovirus using SARS-CoV-2 RNA has a higher incidence of severe side-effects and mortality associated. Outside the western world we have also seen those vaccines compared to sub-protein SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and the conclusion is still the same - it's more dangerous than conventional vaccines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:46:24 No.14097034 Report

Quoted By:

Official narrative contradicts itself
anyway, virology is bullshit. The virus hasn't been isolated

the only bioweapon is the vaccine, toxic serum

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 15:53:55 No.14097084 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093717
Now show booster effectiveness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 16:26:34 No.14097209 Report

Quoted By:

>>14096373
I know. I was just giving an example of how a product that stays in the system for a week or so can cause symptoms years later. For the pfizer shill who keeps calling people names.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 16:30:18 No.14097222 Report

Quoted By:

>>14096377
False

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 16:44:41 No.14097260 Report

Quoted By:

>>14096475
These "military documents" are really just the ramblings of an intern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 16:50:41 No.14097279 Report

Quoted By:

No one is going to do a vaccine that will make the group extremely infamous. We live in a plutocracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:11:11 No.14098630 Report

Quoted By: >>14099468

>>14096871
>this is not true?
What part? The most publicized part? The most politicized part? The fact that VAERS lived in obscurity until 2019? The fact that anyone can type a report? The fact that a higher incidence of vaccination and hysteria about side effects would lead to a surge of reports? That reports don't mean anything until they are properly investigated? I don't see any of these statements as untrue, care to explain what part is false and why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:12:08 No.14098637 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093594
Science is believing the experts, who may or may not be scientists.

Viruses don't exist

Viruses don't exist Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:49:16 No.14098857 Report

Quoted By: >>14098864

just imagine what would people do if knew by heart that virology is a hoax. instead they waste time and loosh arguing without end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:50:43 No.14098864 Report

Quoted By: >>14102390

>>14098857
Fuck off pajeet

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:50:53 No.14098865 Report

Quoted By:

>>14093722
Someone desperate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 01:12:16 No.14099468 Report

Quoted By: >>14099516

>>14098630
The part where you say it's not the most dangerous vaccine. All other things might be valid but you're still neglecting that the safety of this particular type of vaccine, for the age-groups targetted outside elderly and group risks, is dogshit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 01:16:30 No.14099494 Report

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the science is settled

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 01:20:22 No.14099516 Report

Quoted By: >>14100200

>>14099468
I would argue that the smallpox vaccine is more dangerous, not to mention you can transmit the smallpox to other people if you're not careful. Aside from the permanent scar you're left with, it is well known to make people very ill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 03:32:50 No.14100200 Report

Quoted By: >>14100261

>>14099516
I strickly mentioned the risk-benefit of these vaccines in segments of the population that SARS-CoV-3 barely fazes. The comparison with smallpox is disingenuous if we're gonna talk about its mortality in those not inoculated with a vaccine for it.

Also we do have alternatives for mRNA and adeno-virus for SARS-CoV-2 which conveniently get brushed aside every time this discussion pops up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 03:45:41 No.14100261 Report

Quoted By: >>14101328

>>14100200
>We do have adenovirus-based vaccines
Those ones have legit killed people indisputably, so I'm not sure why you'd say those are preferable to mRNA in terms of safety.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 11:45:59 No.14101328 Report

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>>14100261
I said alternatives to those two - not that adeno-virus is preferable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:02:55 No.14102333 Report

Quoted By: >>14102352

>>14094775
You /sci/ tards praise yourselves on your smarts but keep arguing with the cancer that is the shills. This board is crawling with them. /x/, /biz/, even /pol/ would've called this fuck out the moment it posted. >>14094783
>>14094783
>>14094813
>>14094980
>>14093967

It's probably a pro-pharma paid shill cocksucker. Sells his soul and takes dick up his ass for the right price.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:07:49 No.14102352 Report

Quoted By: >>14102379 >>14102389

>>14102333
>You /sci/ tards
Finally, the /pol/tard admits he's a stranger on this board. When are you leaving?

Viruses don't exist

Viruses don't exist Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:13:41 No.14102379 Report

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>>14102352
shill, for the last two years /sci, /x and /pol is the same, no difference. no go post another thread with pepe and boobs, stupid clown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:15:52 No.14102389 Report

Quoted By: >>14102400

>>14102352
>Muh can't browse /sci/ and /pol/ at the same time
Do you know where you're posting you faggot? Not taking it btw.

Viruses don't exist

Viruses don't exist Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:16:18 No.14102390 Report

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>>14098864
pajeet is death minister of not so great anymore Britain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:16:52 No.14102400 Report

Quoted By: >>14102418

>>14102389
>not taking the IQ test
sure, the results would be embarassing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:20:01 No.14102418 Report

Quoted By: >>14102432

>>14102400
Imagine trusting big pharma, the most corrupt organizations, with an even more fucked up past than weapon companies. So retarded that they hire people to shill for them online.

You've been exposed tranny shill, go call your mod buttfuck-partner to kill the thread already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:23:17 No.14102432 Report

Quoted By: >>14102439

>>14102418
>has a schizophrenic attack
>declares that his enemy has been exposed
ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:24:58 No.14102439 Report

Quoted By: >>14102448

>>14102432
>Sharebluescript.jpg
Taje your meds. And ask your manager to relocate to Reddit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 17:26:39 No.14102448 Report

Quoted By: >>14103227

>>14102439
/pol/tards are the ones who are known to argue using jpegs

Viruses don't exist

Viruses don't exist Fri 14 Jan 2022 20:21:05 No.14103227 Report

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>>14102448
against your salary there's only one vIable argument: das rope

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 20:36:46 No.14103288 Report

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>>14093717
Is that relative or absolute? Relative percentages
always sound much better

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 20:39:40 No.14103300 Report

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>>14094986
the midwits

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 21:15:22 No.14103440 Report

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>Trial data used in the full approval only includes 4 months of results
>We now know that efficacy begins to nose dive in the 5th month, to nearly 0% at month 8
The trials were deliberately designed to be misleading. Pfizer knew their efficacy data was bullshit and only temporary. Its why the FDA had to rush to approve the vaccines. Otherwise they would have had to eventually report their real terrible efficacy numbers. The vaccines were designed as a subscription, like most other pharmaceuticals these days. The money is in treatments, not cures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 21:32:24 No.14103514 Report

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>>14093594
Yes, I can explain that to you. It's because big pharma wants you to take the jab to make big bucks, the government wants you to take the jab to make you obedient, and the pro-vax scientists want you to take the jab to prove their point. It's a natural consequence that the opposite opinion is going to be called "anti-science" by these three parties.

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