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Define “white people” in terms of DNA

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 16:12:26 2022 No.14073781 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14073785 >>14073830 >>14073860 >>14073868

Post a combo of y-DNA and mtDNA that would definitely comprise a white person. Then argue or tell others they’re wrong. For example, I’ll start:

R1b + U5b2b
>Saami, Berber or Yakut
>white

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:14:04 No.14073785 Report

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>>14073781
only germanics are white

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:14:33 No.14073789 Report

Quoted By: >>14073795

White people dont exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:16:43 No.14073795 Report

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>>14073789
So white supremacy doesn't exist

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:20:26 No.14073814 Report

Quoted By: >>14073832 >>14073949 >>14073974 >>14074251

Calculate the first two components of a PCA plot. "White" is the cluster where the two arms intersect. Doesn't matter which global reference population is used, this result is robust (look at all the different PCA plots that have been published). Also once the PCA is calculated, you don't actually need all the sample points of other people's DNA to test for "whiteness". The PCA dimensions are like a weighted average over people's DNA, and the weights themselves could be made freely available.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:23:52 No.14073830 Report

Quoted By: >>14073857 >>14073920

>>14073781
>white man has son with a black woman
>black man has daughter with a white woman
>their kids marry
>the grandchildren are now quadroons with "white" y-DNA and mtDNA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:24:00 No.14073832 Report

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>>14073814
Oh.
Well.
/thread, I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:27:28 No.14073857 Report

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>>14073830
Woah. But would they pass as white? Any examples of this in the real world? I was confused reading that some Senegambians have U5 mtDNA but now it makes sense: basque-descended coal burners

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:27:47 No.14073860 Report

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>>14073781

Suck my dick lol

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:29:11 No.14073868 Report

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>>14073781
SMD lole

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:31:20 No.14073875 Report

Quoted By: >>14073888 >>14073929

>>14073860
To add to this David Reich is not a fringe scientist, it's probably fair to say he really is "the world's leading authority on population genetics." I'm surprised he had the balls to say this to be honest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:33:50 No.14073888 Report

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>>14073875
Yeah you’d think he would just keep his mouth shut, but I guess he had enough of people shitting on his life’s work

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:42:38 No.14073920 Report

Quoted By: >>14073933

>>14073830
In retrospect, all you need is:
>white man has son with black woman
>their kid marries a white woman
>>14073857
>would they pass as white?
Probably not. y-DNA and mtDNA are interesting for historical reasons, but are only a fraction of the human genome.
>Any examples of this in the real world?
You can find some cases of this with celebrities and such, like Rashida Jones' child would fit the bill.
But a lot of the times Black americans are actually part White, so instead of the grandkids being quarter-black they're maybe an eighth black. At that point it's pretty hard to tell.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:44:24 No.14073929 Report

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>>14073875
People say the truth all the time, it's only when that truth gets media attention that it gets cancelled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:45:38 No.14073933 Report

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>>14073920
Thanks m8
5* post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:49:12 No.14073949 Report

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>>14073814
>that one mexican who is basically white

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:52:07 No.14073962 Report

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>>14073868
White = aryan only? Are Basques not considered white? If not, what are they? “Basques?”

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:54:36 No.14073974 Report

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>>14073814
Wtf is going on here
Singapore?

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 16:59:10 No.14073991 Report

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>>14073962
You can distinguish between etnicities of course, but whites as in Europeans are a pretty tight cluster. Meds are more closely related to Aryans than any other race etc. Central Europeans are closely related to all other Europeans etc.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 17:16:28 No.14074026 Report

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>>14073974
Not sure. Couldn't find the original image in the paper listed there since they took down a website with supplementary material. But here's a shot of what looks like the same data from another angle and you don't see those weird outliers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 17:24:04 No.14074046 Report

Quoted By: >>14074096

>>14073974
Singapore is well known for bringing in foreign talent

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 17:38:07 No.14074096 Report

Quoted By: >>14074103

>>14074046
The fact that it clusters means it's people who are genetically similar but labeled as coming from different places. Not people who live in the same place (e.g. Singapore) but have different genetics.

It's probably just a mistake by whoever made the plot in an easily digestible /pol/ form. See >>14074026

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 17:42:04 No.14074103 Report

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>>14074096
Thanks for the explanation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 18:18:57 No.14074251 Report

Quoted By: >>14074257 >>14074311

>>14073814
By your plot and described interpretation it sounds like you're saying Americans aren't white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 18:19:46 No.14074257 Report

Quoted By: >>14074264

>>14074251
>what are native americans

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 18:20:36 No.14074264 Report

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>>14074257
Please highlight the word "native" in the plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Jan 2022 18:33:10 No.14074311 Report

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>>14074251
That means indigenous Americans from both North and South America. If you plot Americans who self-identify as white on a plot like this they end up in the European cluster. If you plot Americans who self identify as black they end up being a long bridge between the African and European cluster, sort of like how Mexicans appear as a bridge between the American and European clusters

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