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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 16:37:59 2021 No.14033833 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14033844 >>14034074

>is x invented or discovered?
consider the set of all possible things. an "invention" is simply a discovery of an element or subset from the set of all possible things. there is no such thing as an "invention", everything "invented" is a discovery. qed.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 16:40:30 No.14033844 Report

Quoted By: >>14033848

>>14033833
>consider the set of all possible things
That, itself, is an invention.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 16:41:27 No.14033848 Report

Quoted By: >>14033855

>>14033844
>existence and its possibilities were invented
nope.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 16:42:49 No.14033855 Report

Quoted By: >>14033865

>>14033848
Nigger, the "set of all possible things" is an imaginary construct in your head.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 16:45:59 No.14033865 Report

Quoted By: >>14033960

>>14033855
"imaginary constructs" are thoughts which are physical processes of physical brains.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 16:57:28 No.14033896 Report

Quoted By: >>14033911

>thoughts are physical!!
Oh, it's that bot again. I guess denying the human capacity to invent is in line with the general agenda of denying humanity. I like how this imbecile doesn't realize that "the set of all possible things" is contingent upon human inventiveness to define what things are possible in the first place. In a universe without creative intelligence, technology isn't part of the "set of possible things", and neither is the notion of sets.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:04:39 No.14033911 Report

Quoted By: >>14033934

>>14033896
>is contingent upon human inventiveness to define what things are possible
brainlet take. we discover the limits of what is possible by figuring out the elements or bounds of the set of all possible things, otherwise anyone could say x is possible and it would suddenly be. typical human hubris. to think this species is somehow separate from nature and existence. humans and human intelligence is just a product of this universe. everything humans "invent" are just discoveries of what this universe makes possible.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:09:58 No.14033934 Report

Quoted By: >>14033955

>>14033911
You subhuman nigger, what things are possible is obviously dependent on how far human intelligene and creativity go. There is no "set of all possible things" independent from the capabilities of creative intelligence. In a universe with no creative intelligence, the set of all possible things doesn't include itself, because the notion of sets is impossible, thus your whole argument is a contradiction. You are simply too low-IQ to grasp what I just wrote. Shit thrad. Garbage "person". This board needs quality controls.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:17:41 No.14033955 Report

Quoted By: >>14033981

>>14033934
the error you're making is assuming the mechanism being around exactly then to make it is what makes it possible instead of the physical bounds that enable that thing to be possible. yes, its realization is dependent on the mechanism but the possibility of its existence is a matter of it and the mechanism to make it being allowable by physics. on top of that, notice how many things have self assembled without human intelligence. in fact humans have really just copied nature for most of existence and really haven't had an original thought ever. so seethe more but you're not the speshul snoflake you desperately want to be.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:18:44 No.14033960 Report

Quoted By: >>14033969

>>14033865
Nope
>simulation

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:20:19 No.14033969 Report

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>>14033960
>simulation
hi r*ddit

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:22:39 No.14033981 Report

Quoted By: >>14034002

>>14033955
Nigger, the mere fact that the "set of all possible" things depends on the limits of creative intelligence, is in and of itself grounds for the distinction between discovery and invention: that which is merely discovered, is possible without creative intelligence, while that which is invented is not.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:27:05 No.14034002 Report

Quoted By: >>14034013

>>14033981
creative intelligence is a product of nature. the set of possible things is defined by what is realizable in existence. there is no distinction, "invention" is an "imaginary construct" thought of physical brains to feel more speshul about their discoveries but it is an faulty mapping to what exactly is happening.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:32:13 No.14034013 Report

Quoted By: >>14034041

>>14034002
Nigger, you can attack and erode all humanly meaningful distinctions while committing no logical error, so long as you are devoid of basic human intuitions and full of resentment towards the very notion of meaning. I have given you solid grounds for making a distinction: some possibilities are second-order possibilities, in that they are contingent upon the first-order possibility of creative intelligence. You are free to subjectively reject this distinction and screech that no distinctions can and should be made, but your vapid screeching provides zero insight and has no intellectual content.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:41:13 No.14034041 Report

Quoted By: >>14034071

>>14034013
iow your distinction is exactly as i outlined. a poor mapping to what is actually happening. just made for the sake of feeling speshul when it's unwarranted. and on that, it's weird that for some reason discovery is less meaningful than this myth of invention. but humans do like to find meaning is spooky "make believe" things discovered from the set of all possible things.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:48:25 No.14034071 Report

Quoted By: >>14034109

>>14034041
My distinction does not contradict anything that is objectively true, and it is based on a criteria that are exactly definable, and meaningful to a real person (i.e. not you). Your vapid shart, on the other hand, is pointless: I can attack any distinction as being subjective and meaningless and no one could ever prove me wrong, since "what is actually happening" (at least according to your sort), is particles doing particle things.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:49:14 No.14034074 Report

Quoted By: >>14034110

>>14033833
whoever invented this thread is a midwit

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:57:38 No.14034109 Report

Quoted By: >>14034149

>>14034071
ok go ahead and define invention on your terms. lets see how well it fits with the rest of reality other than a coping strategy thought.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 17:57:46 No.14034110 Report

Quoted By: >>14034124

>>14034074
This thread was just a discovery of an element from the set of all possible threads

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:00:02 No.14034124 Report

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>>14034110
baste

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:00:34 No.14034126 Report

Quoted By: >>14034137 >>14034161

Not at all. God was invented and yet never discovered.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:02:38 No.14034137 Report

Quoted By: >>14034215

>>14034126
imaginary things are just thoughts and concepts which are part of the set of all possible things.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:04:43 No.14034149 Report

Quoted By: >>14034228

>>14034109
I already did. If we think in terms of your "set of all possible things", a subset of it includes all things that cannot precede creative intelligence, and then a subset of that includes intentional products of creative intelligence. Those are the things we call "invented".

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:06:17 No.14034161 Report

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>>14034126
God was discovered from the set of all possible imaginations

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:18:34 No.14034215 Report

Quoted By: >>14034236

>>14034137
God isn't even a possible thing.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:21:35 No.14034228 Report

Quoted By: >>14034267

>>14034149
so the subset of things that are conditional on creative intelligence to exist are invented. ok, i'll accept this distinction as a type of discovery. since ultimately it's particles do particle things. and that subset may be more limited than we think as nature has a funny way of evolving many of those things. ie squid particles doing jet propulsion albeit it's not a turbofan.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:22:41 No.14034236 Report

Quoted By: >>14034256

>>14034215
the thought of god is possible and has happened already.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:27:22 No.14034256 Report

Quoted By: >>14034266

>>14034236
So has the thought of Superman. And Superman is invented and not discovered. Just like God.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:28:40 No.14034266 Report

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>>14034256
these are all thoughts from the set of possible thoughts. neurons just fired off once in this way and discovered the thought of superman.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:28:45 No.14034267 Report

Quoted By: >>14034300

>>14034228
This distinction cannot precede creative intelligence. No distinction can precede creative intelligence. You're an imbecile. Your position is intellectually vacuous. Stop posting. All you're doing here is to demonstrate that the midwit's notion of intelligence is entirely performative: you think you're "intelligent" because you're doing what "intelligent" people do, which is to shart out some hot take trying to dismantle basic concepts in a completely unproductive process that yields no new insights.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:34:08 No.14034300 Report

Quoted By: >>14034327

>>14034267
distinction is a concept, so ofc it requires intelligence. but all thoughts are just particles do particle things ultimately. creative intelligence is a product of particles doing particle things. idk why you're so upset by this.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:37:46 No.14034327 Report

Quoted By: >>14034345

>>14034300
>t. nigger midwit

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:40:42 No.14034345 Report

Quoted By: >>14034352

>>14034327
whatever helps you cope at night

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 18:42:32 No.14034352 Report

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>>14034345
>nigger midwit posting vacuous takes to cope with his utter lack of intellectual accomplishments

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