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Are there any known detrimental health effects as a result of long-term caffeine usage?

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 08:46:53 2021 No.13986553 View Reply Original Report

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Was a coffee, tea and energy drink spammer for years. My friends dared me 100 bucks to go caffeine-free for a month. I took up their challenge. At first the cravings were horrible, and the ensuing headaches made me wanted to shoot myself, but after a month I haven't felt better.

Currently, the frequency in which I would get splitting headaches is virtually zero and my energy levels are more plentiful than ever, even if I had slept for fewer than 8 hours of sleep.

Is there some kind of caffeine conspiracy? I genuinely feel better and healthier now after my caffeine fast. I am kinda tempted to go back, but I am not so sure.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 13:44:43 No.13987185 Report

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>>13986553
I quit caffeine in my teens because of migraines (whether from withdrawal or otherwise). The migraines stopped completely. About ten years later, I pigged out on chocolate (cocoa powder), and like clockwork, I got my first migraine in about ten years. I went back to zero caffeine, and again, no more migraines.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 13:48:29 No.13987196 Report

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Jewification of the brain

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 13:57:50 No.13987220 Report

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OP didn't understand the meme. When you post a "Is coffee good for you" thread you're supposed to attach a coomer pic.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 18:11:38 No.13988126 Report

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>>13986553
Caffeine consumption encourages regular sleep deprivation, which is extremely bad for you. You shouldn't need a drug to feel awake and alert if you're getting enough sleep.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 18:30:11 No.13988187 Report

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>>13987185
dehydration

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 19:13:35 No.13988381 Report

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>>13986553
Glad you feel better.
I've been consuming way too much caffeine for years. A gram to 1,2g a day. Decided Ive had enough and quit cold turkey. went for 3 weeks. Very bad mood, headaches. Couldnt work. Didnt feel any better after 3 weeks of 0 consumption, started taking it again. Fortunately 600mg was enough after a break, now it has crept up to 800mg.
t. heart attacks run in my family, how long do I have left?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 19:38:46 No.13988506 Report

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>>13988381
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coffee-safe-heart-health-stroke-study-uk-a8941161.html?amp
I wouldn’t worry about it. Someone like David Lynch drinks over 10 cups a day, smokes like a chimney and yet is somehow fine and has a stronger head of hair than 99% of the population, despite being 75 years old

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 19:46:07 No.13988545 Report

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>>13986553
I think three cups a coffee a day is probably fine and maybe beneficial. That's only around 300 mg of caffeine. People doing energy drinks and super sizes at Starbucks (plus the sugar) could double or triple that easily. There's also individual variation in caffeine metabolism. In some people, there's only a half life of a few hours, in others it could be 8-16 hours (and days in someone with liver disease). Very high doses could also lead to dehydration and pissing out too many b vitamins. With so many variables, it's understandable how some can thrive on high doses of caffeine while others feel like hell from a single cup of coffee.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 19:52:54 No.13988570 Report

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me >>13988381
>>13988545
>consume much caffeine
>pee often
>go to doc for blood test
>anon, u have 10x the normal amount of b vitamins in ur blood, stop taking everything having b vit in it
guess im safe on that front

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 13:34:58 No.13991372 Report

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>>13986553
You were just getting shittier rest from long term caffeine over-stimulation

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 13:40:28 No.13991383 Report

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>>13988570
>he got a warning on a blood test
>I got kidney stones
It's not fair bros

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 13:47:22 No.13991398 Report

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Nicotine, caffeine and Dexamphetamine during the day.

Olanzapine and Quetiapine at night.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 14:06:59 No.13991455 Report

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>>13991398
You will crash and burn gronk. Your brain will give in on you sooner or later if you punish it like that

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 17:03:13 No.13991926 Report

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>>13991398
Based

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 19:06:27 No.13992445 Report

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>>13988570
That's not really an issue, you're just pissing out a lot of money.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 19:52:09 No.13992631 Report

Quoted By: >>13992651 >>13992694 >>13992732

>>13986553
I'm disappointed in sci, vague "I heard it from Dr Oz" answers in this thread
First, separate coffee, tea, and caffeine, they are not created equal. Second, coffee is very beneficial for you; it's literally one of the most studied substances on earth and the data is very, very clear:
>We searched in the PubMed and Web of Science databases through March 8, 2019, and conducted meta-analysis including linear and non-linear dose-response analyses. We identified 40 studies including 3,852,651 subjects and 450,256 all-cause and cause-specific deaths. Non-linear inverse associations between coffee consumption and mortality from all-causes, cardiovascular disease (CVD), and cancers were found. The lowest relative risk (RR) was at intakes of 3.5 cups/day for all-cause mortality (RR = 0.85, 95% CI 0.82-0.89), 2.5 cups/day for CVD mortality (RR = 0.83, 95% CI 0.80-0.87), and 2 cups/day for cancer mortality (RR = 0.96, 95% CI 0.94-0.99), while additional intakes were not associated with further lower mortality. An inverse association between coffee consumption and all-cause mortality was maintained irrespective of age, overweight status, alcohol drinking, smoking status, and caffeine content of coffee. By region, Europe and Asia showed stronger inverse associations than US. A non-linear inverse association was found for mortality from respiratory disease and diabetes, while linear inverse association was found for mortality from non-CVD, non-cancer causes. Moderate coffee consumption (e.g. 2-4 cups/day) was associated with reduced all-cause and cause-specific mortality, compared to no coffee consumption.
Importantly, this is an effect of COFFEE, not CAFFEINE, as decaf had the same health benefits, but caffeine pills alone did not.
So, up to you. Be smart. You can abuse anything to negativity. I drink 16 oz french press in the AM, and that's it. Nothing more. I don't get tired, I don't get withdrawals, but I get the nice rush.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 19:57:49 No.13992651 Report

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>>13992631
Based and this is the conclusion I've come to. I often skip my coffee, I've never had a headache from doing that though, I don't even know what people are talking about. I usually drink a few cups if it's handy, makes me take a nice big cleansing shit in the morning, I don't use it for the "rush", I've never felt much of a rush.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:13:53 No.13992694 Report

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>>13992631
>this is an effect of COFFEE, not CAFFEINE, as decaf had the same health benefits, but caffeine pills alone did not.
Thee results are very mixed. Some studies show coffee without caffeine isn't beneficial. Regardless, whether you want to assume coffee is beneficial, it still makes some people feel like shit, so I'm skeptical of it being beneficial for those people.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:22:51 No.13992712 Report

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>>13992694
>Thee results are very mixed.
Not at all anon. At least, form a scientific perspective, these results are very clear cut. I'm not sure I've ever seen multiple meta-studies converge so rapidly on a result like this, except maybe smoking and trans-fat in diets. Some results show different results, but most result suggest coffee is the main benefactor.
That said, one thing that has been on the forefront of coffee research is actually brewing method, which gets obscured in these studies. Some brewing methods allow more or less of the potential substances that are responsible for the health benefits.
>whether you want to assume coffee is beneficial
with evidence this strong, it's a little absurd; it would be equivalent to me saying "well, if you wanna believe smoking cigs are bad for you, go ahead, but..."
> it still makes some people feel like shit
No question.
>so I'm skeptical of it being beneficial for those people.
Totally makes sense. Subpopulations may not react well to coffee, and even if their over-all life expectancy would improve, it may not be worth the negative life impact of coffee.
That said, a lot of people (not all obviously) who negatively react to coffee generally abuse it in one way or another, or are exasperating behaviors that are already negatively impacting their life; for example, drinking tons of coffee at night to pull an all-nighter/get homework done, or they drink coffee throughout the day to mitigate their lack of sleep, thereby making the problem worse, etc.
No question coffee just sucks for some people. Again, like I said above, do what makes you feel happy. But the evidence for health benefits (strictly from lowering all-cause mortality, nothing about quality-of-life) is overwhelming in literature.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:28:31 No.13992724 Report

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I will explain you why every fucking company has a free coffee not free cacao, tea or free milk but free coffee.
Coffee increases adrenaline which is good to enhance focus and concentration but it is also involved in fear response. They give you free coffee to increase your productivity and you feel fear of your kike boss and you work even more.
Its kike trick

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:30:59 No.13992732 Report

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>>13992631
Yeah coffee is somewhat beneficial for people who drink alcohol often and eat shit because it has many antioxidants but if you eat healthy and do exercise you dont need coffee.
Decaf coffee is only a bit weaker than normal coffee, it still has many caffeine derivatives

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:33:50 No.13992741 Report

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>>13992724
Healthier alternative are cold showers.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:42:58 No.13992765 Report

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>>13992712
My response tends to be for people to try coffee, a moderate amount, see how they feel over a few weeks. Then stop, see how they feel over a few weeks. If they feel better with the coffee, then keep drinking it, it's probably doing them some good. If they feel better without coffee, then they should either avoid it, try drinking less, or experiment with another beverage like tea. I feel good with 2-3 cups a days and never deal with withdrawals if I stop, so it's something I'll continue drinking.

>No question coffee just sucks for some people. Again, like I said above, do what makes you feel happy.
Agreed.

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