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wtf does this mean? are vaccines useless at stopping the spread?

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 12:29:16 2021 No.13892418 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13892423 >>13892442 >>13892563 >>13894830 >>13895375

>vaccine effect on reducing transmission is minimal in the context of delta variant circulation.
>similar viral load
>similar ability to spread
>only a 13% difference in chance of catching it
>slightly faster viral load decline in vaccinated
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext#seccestitle160

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 12:32:39 No.13892423 Report

Quoted By: >>13892427 >>13892578 >>13892693

>>13892418
MEDS.
NOW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 12:33:53 No.13892427 Report

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>>13892423
get nuked ameriniggershit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 12:42:02 No.13892442 Report

Quoted By: >>13892455 >>13892528 >>13892552

>>13892418
>13% difference
Anon, I'd strongly recommend that you go and learn primary school maths before trying to tackle the medical literature, since you can't even calculate a fucking percentage.
But the vaccines' effectiveness in reducing transmission of the Delta variant is not looking very impressive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 12:47:37 No.13892455 Report

Quoted By: >>13892496 >>13892552

>>13892442
>The SARs in household contacts exposed to the delta variant was 25% in vaccinated and 38% in unvaccinated contacts
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:06:04 No.13892496 Report

Quoted By: >>13892515 >>13892528 >>13892545 >>13892552

>>13892455
That's about a 34% reduction, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:12:59 No.13892515 Report

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>>13892496
fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:18:43 No.13892528 Report

Quoted By: >>13892552 >>13893367

>>13892496
>>13892442
youre a certified retard, youre converting from a probability to an arbitrary percentage. ie, its not relevant.

the difference in probability is only 13%

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:24:17 No.13892545 Report

Quoted By: >>13892552 >>13892559

>>13892496
Not OP, but am I retarded for thinking that both sound right? It's like the language used isn't specific enough. The difference between the two raw percentage numbers is 13 like OP said. Yet 25 is almost 66% of 38, ergo a 34% reduction in actual risk.
How do you explain this to a brainlet? The difference between the two percentages IS 13, but that isn't a percentage.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:27:11 No.13892552 Report

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>>13892442
>>13892455
>>13892496
>>13892515
>>13892528
>>13892545
OP here I am so fucking confused guys I am not a smart person but I am smart enough not to trust government and big pharma. Help me. What is the real reduction in risk of spread?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:29:44 No.13892559 Report

Quoted By: >>13892571

>>13892545
You'd say 13 percentage point reduction or 34 percent reduction.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:29:56 No.13892560 Report

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>>13892552
>can't count
>saves thumbnails
>is based
This thread is definitive proof that pic related is real

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:31:18 No.13892563 Report

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>>13892418
They help older and immunodeficient people from being hospitalised or dying.
Other people are just risking getting some serious side effects, the low percentage of deaths isn’t worth the risk. Some countries have worse probability of death, I’m sure diet and general health are major factors. e.g. American fatasses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:35:33 No.13892571 Report

Quoted By: >>13892679

>>13892559
Which one matters? If I am shilling do I need to use the second number to be a credible shill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 13:40:31 No.13892578 Report

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>>13892423
is this "kremlin" in the room with us now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 14:17:50 No.13892679 Report

Quoted By: >>13892763

>>13892571
go to school

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 14:23:09 No.13892693 Report

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>>13892423
getting real tired of these desperate stapled replies. At least bother to reply with some actual counter-arguments faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 14:56:35 No.13892763 Report

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>>13892679
no

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 18:11:39 No.13893367 Report

Quoted By: >>13894763 >>13894810

>>13892528
Absolute and relative differences are both valid. You probably have just been hearing that only relative differences matter on CNN, and it simply isn’t true.

Example: taking prophylactic AIDS meds might give me a 100000% relative risk reduction of dying from AIDS, but cause I don’t have HIV and don’t do risky stuff, the absolute risk reduction is basically 0%. Should I take AIDS meds?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 18:24:55 No.13893409 Report

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 18:25:27 No.13893411 Report

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>>13893409
lol

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 01:35:35 No.13894763 Report

Quoted By: >>13894810 >>13894862

>>13893367
So it is absolute difference of 13% but the relative difference and risk reduction is 34%?

Please be patient I am retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 01:54:29 No.13894810 Report

Quoted By: >>13894826

>>13893367
valid can be the same thing as intentionally misleading you faggot, and desu you should take the aids meds because this retarded thread gave me aids just now
>>13894763
does your brain lack the capacity for logic? or did you never learn math and how to check your own work? regardless of how you want to there are multiple ways to prove this to yourself. the fact you're struggling with this implies youre lacking very basic math skills

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 01:55:17 No.13894813 Report

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>>13892578
if by room you mean thread, then yes, they are

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 01:57:51 No.13894826 Report

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>>13894810
I know how to prove it and arrive at 34%, but I don't know which one to use when I am shilling. I shill for both sides and obviously each number sounds better for respective side, but which one makes me the more intellectually honest shill?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 01:58:42 No.13894830 Report

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>>13892418
>are vaccines useless at stopping the spread?
They (the CDC) came out in august saying they don't stop the spread. It amazes me people still can't see through the propaganda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 02:02:43 No.13894842 Report

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>>13892552
this is the average /sci/ poster. at least he is being honest about it.

> I am so fucking confused guys I am not a smart person but I am smart enough not to trust government and big pharma
tl;dr of 99% of posts on /sci/ and /pol/

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 02:07:22 No.13894856 Report

Quoted By: >>13894875

OP here. I am glad you smart people are helping me workshop this problem.

I will keep using both absolute 13% and relative 34% in order to maintain my integrity as a shill.

It seems the reptile people at the WHO are claiming 40%, so maybe 34% is the true number (they always lie, even if it just a little bit)?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211124-vaccines-reduce-covid-transmission-by-40-who

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 02:09:04 No.13894862 Report

Quoted By: >>13894869

>>13894763
you multiply the two numbers: your risk times RRR to get ARR.
RRR is the property of the treatment.
ARR is the property of the population. does that make sense?
when they say that vaccine is 95% efficient that means its RRR is 95% so it reduces WHATEVER RISK YOU HAVE by 95%. but nobody knows what your risk is. but most likely it is very low, say 0.1%. so your absolute risk reduction is 0.1 times 0.95. which is still about 0.1 since RRR >> your risk.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 02:11:19 No.13894869 Report

Quoted By: >>13894875

>>13894862
So the vaccine basically does nothing because I'm built different and come pre-based?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 02:15:08 No.13894875 Report

Quoted By: >>13894910

>>13894856
why do you feel the need to shill? to get yous or to relieve your anxiety about covid? so by shilling you are provoking people to give you different perspectives and then you pick the ones you prefer?

>>13894869
if your initial risk is close to zero than the vaccine does nothing. you should also clarify the risk of *what* -- the risk of getting infected, or sick, or the risk of developing serious symptoms or the risk of death. it seems like initially pfizer defined the risk as a "risk of getting infected" which they later changed to "getting sick and require hospitalization" or something like that.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 02:26:29 No.13894910 Report

Quoted By: >>13895343

>>13894875
I like to make people seethe. I am quite good at it. Particularly if they have strong polemical positions like the vaccine lab experiment people do.

I was ok at math as a kid but then I hit my head pretty bad. During my education I often got perfect grades for things unrelated to science and math, but I am very stupid when it comes to numbers. /sci/ is my favorite board because it challenges me. I am currently training to better understand percentages thanks to the kind posters in this thread.

https://youtu.be/mvz8uCfqm_Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 04:27:06 No.13895209 Report

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Shit. The vaccines don't work...?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 05:14:17 No.13895343 Report

Quoted By: >>13895359

>>13894910
congrats anon, you're both retarded and an insufferable faggot, enjoy your epic shilling

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 05:18:01 No.13895359 Report

Quoted By: >>13895374

>>13895343
Thanks to my highly attuned senses I can detect you are angered. Perhaps the vaccine has altered your brain?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 05:22:36 No.13895374 Report

Quoted By: >>13895379

>>13895359
perhaps, combined with your epic trolling I'm having a total meltdown
>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 05:23:00 No.13895375 Report

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>>13892418
I've had the vaccine still got COVID-19 but a very mild case couldn't smell and my sinuses were a bit plugged up my mom got it worse she's 70 and my dad who's 69 completely avoided it me and my mom were phizer dad was Johnson and Johnson for what it's worth

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 05:24:30 No.13895379 Report

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>>13895374
Another epic win for me.

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