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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 05:01:23 2021 No.13891476 View Reply Original Report

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Some faggot on /lit/ namedropped this board so I figured I'd ask here.

He is conflating computation efficiency with AI right? Is there any reason to believe that physical limitations in processing power are relevant at all for the development of A.I. and societies eventual automation? Computer's are already capable of processing information significantly faster than humans, even if computational power and efficiency stalled today wouldn't it still be a matter of time before automation become prevalent, or am I having some fundamental misunderstanding.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 18:36:58 No.13893451 Report

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>>13891476
>Is there any reason to believe that physical limitations in processing power are relevant at all for the development of A.I. and societies eventual automation?
Yes. It is in fact the entire limitation that exists.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Nov 2021 21:57:23 No.13894078 Report

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Automation and AI will be responsible for making people redundant as it already makes the lower class redundant. See what I'm doing here? It's quite redundant. But will they make the bou redundant as well? Yes, with enough time and a new bou will replace them. Bou are middle and middle upper class, not elite or aristocrats. I've never understood why communists hate the bou as the bou are still peons and peasants as well - just with gatekeeping titles and positions offered by those above them. If communists really want class struggle to be eliminated they would target the elite, not the peasants in nicer clothing. There is no such thing as the bou outside of semantics, they are almost entirely employed, not employers. One fell swoop over a few decades and the bou will return back to being titled upper slaves, and the lower upper class will become the new bou, it's rather redundant.

Entropy exists in class and hierarchy due to efficiency and advancements, if automation and
AI plateaus then we will advance horizontally until we find a new vertical to go further beyond. The current bou will be replaced by a new bou. That new bou will be replaced by another bou. This will go on until property values are 10x what they are currently, all of the West bought up by the elite and rich and corporate holders, you will rent and you will not have a choice in the matter. My suggestion is to buy a few homes and have your children hold them instead of selling them for a quick buck. At least then you'll not have to pay some faggot silver spoon queer your monthly quota because his father owns a multi billion dollar leasing company.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 10:08:42 No.13896129 Report

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Yup. Ai can never take over
The neurons are a million times better than the transistors on all aspects. Speed, heat, durability, and energy efficiency.

You only thnk that pcs ar better because they do only 1 thing at a time. 99% of your brain is unconcious and half of your concious part is sight.

AIs run on electricity - generates lots of heat. Transistors would max out at 1nm and then we shall hit a technological platue. Probably in 50 years or so

The only way to advance further is to make artificial brains/ neurons for future computers

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 16:08:31 No.13896933 Report

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>>13891476
Conflating AI with computation isn’t really the issue, since the performance of AI improves with more and faster computation. The bizarre bit is that he claims current CPUs are close to the physical limit of computation speed. It’s not even close. Look up something called Landauer’s limit. Granted, CPUs have stalled in recent years, but we know theoretically there’s a lot of room for improvement.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 16:11:53 No.13896940 Report

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>>13891476
>Computer's are already capable of processing information significantly faster than humans
And yet, it can't even process language upside down. A human can parse the following sentence. AI cannot.
>KLL TH JWS HTLR

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 16:19:11 No.13896962 Report

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>>13891476
brain is actually much slower than integrated circuits, but it's massively parallel.

we don't have models with the same number of parameters as the total number of synapses in human brain yet, but we're getting there very fast.

it's utterly stupid to think that the limitation is the processing power considering that we can build and run billions of human brains with corns and potatoes.

the actual limitation is simply the understanding. human brain is complicated, some things are innate, some things are learned and some things are in between.

another problem is that we don't have an exact definition of intelligence. every time a machine beats human at a task we taught that required intelligence, we change the scope of intelligence.

I remember arguing about how arithmetic is much easier for machines but a simple task for us like face recognition is very hard for machine. now computers are much better than recognizing faces than humans.

if we have an exact definition of intelligence, I'm pretty sure that a computer can accomplish it, and then we will change the definition again.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 16:22:40 No.13896973 Report

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>>13896933
Computational limit =! Physical Limit

Computers run on transistors that are currently 10-20nm
It would have a limit of 1nm or else it becomes too sensitive for electricity and its heat generation.

If we don't find anything better, we shall hit the same limit of Classical mechanics in 1850's that wasn't broken until the discovery of Quantum Mechanics 50 years later

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Anonymous Sat 27 Nov 2021 16:22:44 No.13896975 Report

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>>13891476
>Lean and Agile
>improving efficiency in any shape or form
Some people post the absolute strangest stuff.

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