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Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 10:57:22 2021 No.13882299 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13882308 >>13882322 >>13882338 >>13882715 >>13882986

What are your favorite Science rivalries? For me, it's Einstien v Bohr

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Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:03:53 No.13882308 Report

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>>13882299
Galileo vs. Catholic church

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:11:56 No.13882322 Report

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>>13882299
>stop telling god what to do
Fucking B A S E D.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:19:19 No.13882338 Report

Quoted By: >>13882347 >>13882372

>>13882299
Is that even a proper response (from about)
Einstein says God does not roll dice, he isn’t telling God what to do?
He’s saying God already decided.
Or am I missing something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:24:10 No.13882347 Report

Quoted By: >>13882392

>>13882338
If you decide to roll dice, isn't God necessarily obliged to decide how they should land?
Or has He got a choice not to do that? If not, then by rolling dice you are forcing
God to do something he might not even like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:33:17 No.13882372 Report

Quoted By: >>13882392

>>13882338
To insist that "God doesn't roll dice" is to assume some a-priori knowledge of God's true nature, which is hubris of the highest degree. He's simply telling Einstein to stop imposing human preconceptions on something that is beyond human comprehension.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:42:46 No.13882392 Report

Quoted By: >>13882397

>>13882347
Or maybe rolling the dice is exactly what God wanted you to do
>>13882372
Einstein isn’t imposing human preconceptions. He’s describing laws that don’t need to be altered once in place. Why would we suppose God needs to alter the rules during game time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:43:39 No.13882397 Report

Quoted By: >>13882411

>>13882392
>Einstein isn’t imposing human preconceptions
He's doing that by default. I'm sorry that you're too fucking retarded to see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:48:30 No.13882411 Report

Quoted By: >>13882419 >>13882423

>>13882397
How is supposing that God is rolling dice not doing exactly what you’re describing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:51:40 No.13882419 Report

Quoted By: >>13882437

>>13882411
>if you don't accept my baseless presupposition, that means you're making the opposite presupposition
No, you can simply accept that if something is indistinguishable from randomness, it's probably random, instead of doing mental gymnastics to explain the randomness away because you just "know" that God does things your way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 11:53:22 No.13882423 Report

Quoted By: >>13882437

>>13882411
There is one circumstance in which you may allow God to roll dice:
He gets to decide beforehand how they should roll.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 12:00:42 No.13882437 Report

Quoted By: >>13882510

>>13882423
That’s the distinction, yes. Why would God need to do it more than once?
>>13882419
It’s not baseless because we observe the universe to follow causal laws

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 12:39:15 No.13882510 Report

Quoted By: >>13882524

>>13882437
>It’s not baseless because we observe the universe to follow causal laws
It becomes baseless once you observe the universe behaving randomly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 12:43:50 No.13882524 Report

Quoted By: >>13882557

>>13882510
How do you know its random? Isn’t that also an assumption? Based on macro movements don’t we observe only causal laws? Why are you assuming randomness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 13:04:13 No.13882557 Report

Quoted By: >>13882646

>>13882524
>Why are you assuming randomness?
If it's indistinguishable from randomness, there is no reason to assume it is anything but random. I don't know... you're somehow mentally deficient, because you keep going in these circles failing to grasp the simple and obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 13:50:55 No.13882646 Report

Quoted By: >>13882660

>>13882557
You keep assuming randomness with no basis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 13:57:36 No.13882660 Report

Quoted By: >>13882709

>>13882646
>with no basis
Observations indistinguishable from randomness are a basis to assume randomness. Muh feels about the true ways of God are not a basis to dismiss the observations. Case closed. You're mentally deficient.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 14:16:46 No.13882709 Report

Quoted By: >>13882781

>>13882660
>Observations indistinguishable from randomness are a basis to assume randomness.
This is patently false. You are assuming perfect knowledge of all variables

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 14:21:41 No.13882715 Report

Quoted By: >>13882999

>>13882299
Randomness can't be proven.
Bohr was not a genius.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 14:57:54 No.13882781 Report

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>>13882709
>You are assuming perfect knowledge of all variables
No, you mentally ill muppet. I am pointing out that wihout knowledge of these mysterious hidden variables (for which you have no evidence besides your preconceptions about God), the obsevations are indistinguishable from randomness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 16:33:45 No.13882986 Report

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>>13882299
>What are your favorite Science rivalries? For me, it's Einstien v Bohr
BTW no one has solved the EPR paradox. The mainstream interpretation is FTL state communication which is stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Nov 2021 16:38:26 No.13882999 Report

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>>13882715
If you want to prove a deterministic universe then you need to be able unravel "random" noise into deterministic systems.
If you can't the best you can do is a statistical answer and Copenhagen.
And that is where we are and until you can do the unraveling you need to stop telling God what to do.

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