>>13806450>>13806459>mathematics is highly tangled on itself by default and requires you to encounter and understand from sensory experience only most minimal of concepts>The reason that humans have figured out similar math is because we have similar subjective experience (seeing as we are all humans and have similar physical forms)These two sentences mean the same thing.
Math is a standardized system of expressions and the relations that we derive from said expressions. Expressions are just the name we give to our observation of a phenomena with some combination of uniform qualities, so we can differentiate it from our observation of a phenomena with some other combination of uniform qualities.
We observe the same phenomena in the same way, but sometimes we may differ in which qualities we assign to them.
However, once we do agree on the set of uniform qualities to define an expression, then it's only natural that people will reproduce the same results.
>>13806503>Sentient gas clouds in Andromeda would still have number theorySo what? It's just a bunch of atoms moving around (expression) in a cluster that has a arbitrary set of uniform qualities, that we only choose to define because it has a different set of uniform qualities than our other arbitrary expressions.
>>13806623>That is way too strong of a question to actually matter.I typed all that out just to eventually say this, but you beat be me to it.
Congrats, you just solved both of your guys' arguments!
It doesn't matter if it's universal nor non universal. It doesn't matter if it's objective or subjective. It's useless to argue about.
Wanna know why? Because you both are just arguing semantics!
Too bad language isn't a system with the same strictness of standards as math is LOL
