>>13810774Those examples all overgeneralize from set theory, including the ISO definition you keep refering to, which is pointed out right in the same sentence of
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_numberthat says the natural numbers are sometimes defined to start with 0 and sometimes with 1.
In general, however (as you can see for yourself highlighted in the picture above), the default is that we start counting from 1 unless otherwise indicated. Your mistake is the equivalent of saying a coffee cup and a doughnut are the same thing, generally, because of how those objects are defined, specifically, in topology.
