>>13797823Let's say there's three map makers, Me, (You) and Him in front of a map. The map is full of imperfections, smudges, scribbles.
He says this is a fundamental fact of map-making, because territories are fundamentally indeterminate until they are explored. I say that this is nonsense, territories are always fully determined, as map makers used to believe, and independent of our maps of them, and because of that we used to make much better maps. He responds that today's maps are the most accurate maps we've ever drawn, because nowadays we have aerial views of territories, yet maps are still full of smudges and imperfections because that is the nature of territories.
I won't give up. He persists.
After listening for a while, (You) tell me: "I don't know man, maybe lines on a map are just lines on a fucking map... Like some dude used to say, what's the difference between the light reflected by a rose and the light reflected by a painting of a rose, when it's all the same fucking thing in my eyes*... I'm seriously getting a headache right now and I'm so tired of all of this discussion..."
He quips: "He's a crackpot!"
(You) respond: "Yeah man, maybe he is... Why won't you just shut up and read the map?"
*Analogy to this sentence from your copepost:
>What is a quantum state? It’s a unit vector of complex numbers (or if we’re talking about mixed states, then a trace-1, Hermitian, positive semidefinite matrix), which encodes everything there is to know about a physical system.Do you understand the problem? You're the map maker. You're supposed to make better maps. You can't just "shut up and read the map". There is no "Zen" intuition that "the map is just the map". The problem is not that I confuse the map for the territory.
You've taken some defeated faggot's spiel of pure cope as some kind of philosophical insight, which it is not, because it conforms to your defeatist attitude on the matter.
