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Anonymous Sun 17 Oct 11:58:08 2021 No.13760763 View Reply Original Report

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There is this silly schizo over at /x/ talking about 'consciousness teleportation', reverse engineering of the mind and all.
Can someone btfo this guy and give an argument as to why this wouldn't work, ever. Not even in the far future?

>You are informed that breakthroughs in mindmapping and the understanding of human consciousness has allowed scientists to effectively send humans back in time through triggering 'savestates' in the human mind.
>You will retain all memories between the point you are teleported back to and the point you teleport back from. You will therefore effectively be 'overwriting' the consciousness of the earlier point in time with your current one, while inhabiting that same physical vessel and continuing life onward from that point in time.
>If you're still struggling to picture what I'm detailing. Imagine reloading a save in a video game from 3 hours ago. You still remember everything you experienced in those 3 hours. But it didn't technically happen in the savestate.
>So what point in time do you teleport back to. What savestate do you choose?

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Anonymous Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:00:15 No.13760769 Report

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All I can think of is this movie Paycheck where they put radioactive markers or something and when it was time to erase his memory they re-injected him so any new information stored in the brain would be gone. The re-injection would be some sort of nanites that kill or reset the marked cells? He still remembered the memory visuals of his wife's face in the movie though, so the machines didn't kill all the memories he experienced those 5 years.

If you apply/relate it to his 'teleportation' fantasy you'd go to this futuristic mind mapping device and make a highly incredible complex 'save state' of your brain, then 3 hours later you do it again but the machine doing this, with tracts the two mindmaps from eachother so you have these 3 hour timeline of your conciousness you're left with how would you inject it again? I don't fucking get it anymore. I'm a brainlet.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:06:56 No.13760776 Report

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>>13760763
Dumb. There's no consciousness replacement. Consciousness isn't a "THING", its an ongoing process of synthesis between your memories/environment/habits/emotions/etc and creating new concepts/memories/habits.

You can't send back a person's "consciousness" back unless you're physically teleporting the brain because your brain still needs to build up the neuron connections physically. You literally need to lobotomize yourself and teleport that brain to the past body. The past body might reject the teleportation of the brain because the body might see it as completely foreign and kill the past brain, effectively killing the body.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:19:20 No.13760796 Report

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>>13760776
Thank you for the answer. It's clearer for me now. So the misconception is in their understanding of what conciousness is?
The thing is though there's still a lot of debate on how consciousness comes to be. http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Models_of_consciousness
The most two popular ones are global workspace and the information intergration theory right?

>The past body might reject the teleportation of the brain because the body might see it as completely foreign and kill the past brain, effectively killing the body.
Yeah you lost me there. The reason why organs get rejected (I just googled it) is because the HLA pattern (The human leukocyte antigen (HLA) system or complex is a complex of genes on chromosome 6 in humans which encode cell-surface proteins responsible for the regulation of the immune system.) doesn't match. I do not know in what extent the differences in the patterns is. But I assume someone's brain one year difference the HLA pattern wouldn't change supported by this: HLA gene and antigen results do not change unless a person has received a hematopoietic stem cell transplant. However, HLA antibody testing and identification may be done periodically and after events, such as a pregnancy, to see if the potential recipient has developed additional HLA antibodies.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:26:13 No.13760812 Report

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>>13760796
>So the misconception is in their understanding of what conciousness is?
Yes. Some people want to believe in a magic soul or some platonic structure hidden inside the body. Some want to believe "the consciousness" is the brain. The reality is, there's no magic soul hidden in the body and there's no platonic "consciousness" structure in the brain. Its all fusion of functions within the body and the external events.

>Yeah you lost me there
Teleportation to past self 1 year early may or may not be different. Human body organ isn't a static one, its an ever ongoing series of changes. I'd reckon there's a period where if you transport the brain to far down, it maybe considered very alien to the body. A 1 day old baby's brain is not the same as 90 year old brain, but 90 year old vs 89 year old may be very similar.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:43:14 No.13760853 Report

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>>13760812
Didn't even consider young child ages. Yeah that's getting very complex, my undersanding of conciousness is that it's computational, it just comes about because of the way the brain is connected. That it's all a matter of having the right wiring so there's nothing that would stop machines from becoming conciousness. But I don't have much proof for that.

the Global workspace theory one (1984) says it's conciousness is a form of information processing. So when one of your sensories is activated that experience goes to some global workspace in your brain and from there it gets send to other points/centrums. This area is probably in our frontal lobes. This worspace is limited though and and can only hold so much information so that explains why ideas or information drift in and out of our conciousness. According to this theory the conciousness processing is limited to a specific network that makes our conscious brain only capable of 'smaller' thoughts while our subconciouss can handle a lot of things all going past eachother.

Then you have IIT, theory from 2004. This basically says that consciousness comes from the interconnectedness of all your neurons working together in a system (very simplified). A network that influences itself, can experience consciousness. That consciousness is actually a spectrum. Everything that connects information, from an ant to the internet is already somewhat conscious. Within our brains this is probably located in our posterior brain lobe area.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Oct 2021 12:45:48 No.13760862 Report

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>>13760812
Didn't even consider young child ages. Yeah that's getting very complex, my undersanding of conciousness is that it's computational, it just comes about because of the way the brain is connected. That it's all a matter of having the right wiring so there's nothing that would stop machines from becoming conciousness. But I don't have much proof for that.

the Global workspace theory one (1984) says conciousness is a form of information processing. So when one of your sensories is activated that experience goes to some global workspace in your brain and from there it gets send to other points/centrums. This area is probably in our frontal lobes. This worskpace is limited though and can only hold so much information so that explains why ideas or information drift in and out of our consciousness. According to this theory the consciousness processing is limited to a specific network that makes our conscious brain only capable of 'smaller' thoughts while our subconscious can handle a lot of things all going past eachother.

Then you have IIT, theory from 2004. This basically says that consciousness comes from the interconnectedness of all your neurons working together in a system (very simplified). A network that influences itself, can experience consciousness. That consciousness is actually a spectrum. Everything that connects information, from an ant to the internet is already somewhat conscious. Within our brains, this is probably located in our posterior brain lobe area.

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