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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 11:22:54 2021 No.13710817 View Reply Original Report

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If the universe was deterministic, why does randomness exist?

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 11:24:57 No.13710820 Report

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>>13710817
If chairs are made of wood, why do atoms exist? Check-mate, atheists.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 11:27:02 No.13710822 Report

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>>13710817
Its not deterministic. The universe has probabilities.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 11:34:53 No.13710832 Report

Quoted By: >>13710871

Imagine believing in randomness. Just because there's no mechanical process we can ascertain behind the actions? Fuckit.

Super hard full on determinism. The universe is written beginning to end. The delayed choice qantum eraser experiments show this I think. Nothing travelled back in time, the event in the future was simply already written into existence before we reached it.

No free will. Fuck it.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 11:36:05 No.13710834 Report

Quoted By: >>13710871

>No free will. Fuck it.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 11:59:00 No.13710865 Report

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>>13710817
>why does randomness exist
Due to ignorance

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:01:10 No.13710871 Report

Quoted By: >>13710877

>>13710832
Probably this, who knows but this universe is so complex so who knows

>>13710834
Insecure

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:03:07 No.13710877 Report

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>>13710871
>y-you're just i-insecure!
Define "free will".

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:05:59 No.13710882 Report

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>>13710877
Go ahead. You're making it worse lol

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:07:06 No.13710885 Report

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>>13710817
>If the universe was deterministic
If...

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:08:48 No.13710890 Report

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>>13710882
>no, i can't explain what it is that i'm trying to "refute"
Total NPC.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:12:00 No.13710896 Report

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>>13710877
An object has free will if it can defy the laws of physics to some extent. Such an object doesn't exist, hence there is no free will.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:13:59 No.13710900 Report

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>>13710817
It doesn't
prove it does

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:15:22 No.13710905 Report

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>>13710817
Randomness is observed due to a poor resolution of reality by the observer

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:15:26 No.13710906 Report

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>>13710896
>An object has free will if it can defy the laws of physics
Who is the author of this moronic definition? Who are you arguing against there?

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:16:05 No.13710908 Report

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>>13710896
the laws of physics are not 100% accurate description of reality nerd

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:17:09 No.13710912 Report

Quoted By: >>13710916 >>13710924 >>13710960

>>13710906
>Who is the author of this moronic definition?
That would be me
>Who are you arguing against there?
Against anyone who believes in the supernatural

>>13710908
They are accurate enough to be applied at the scale of humans

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:17:38 No.13710913 Report

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>>13710817
Randomness doesn’t exist
Every action leads into another action

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:18:23 No.13710916 Report

Quoted By: >>13710920

>>13710912
>That would be me
So you're refuting your own retarded ideas? That's cool. What does it have to do with anyone else?

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:20:54 No.13710920 Report

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>>13710916
>What does it have to do with anyone else?
No idea, they should ask themselves that

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:22:09 No.13710924 Report

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>>13710912
based

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:25:59 No.13710935 Report

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>>13710920
So you invent your own retard ideas, give them similar labels to concepts you're butthurt about, and then pretend you're refuting other people? That sounds like a mental illness.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:29:17 No.13710943 Report

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>>13710935
You sound unnecessarily mad lol

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:30:07 No.13710946 Report

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>>13710943
Cool. Why do you refute yourself and then pretend that you're refuting others, though? That sounds like a mental illness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:34:50 No.13710956 Report

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>>13710905
This.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:36:01 No.13710959 Report

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>>13710817
Of it is deterministic, randomness simply doesn’t exist

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:37:29 No.13710960 Report

Quoted By: >>13711163

>>13710912
The supernatural is implicit in the big bang and causality. You are exactly like the christcucks with absolutely no explanation for anything, but instead of god working in mysterious ways you have soup-like vacuum works in mysterious ways. Truly pathetic.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 13:10:30 No.13711028 Report

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>>13710908
Are they not though? How?

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 13:34:16 No.13711094 Report

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>>13711028
>they ARE this time, i swear!!
>t. IFLS

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 13:35:45 No.13711100 Report

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>>13710817
>If the universe was deterministic, why does randomness exist
time

come now anon surely you already know the two aren't mutually exclusive, its like you didnt think about it at all first

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 13:48:30 No.13711140 Report

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>>13710817
Since there does not actually exist any things in reality to which we can attach
the attribute "random", we just choose to attach it to other random things instead.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 13:50:27 No.13711145 Report

Quoted By: >>13711171

in this thread, brainlets
>muh quantum physics
you need logic to even do physics, therefore logic is more important

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 13:55:44 No.13711163 Report

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>>13710960
>The supernatural is implicit in naturalistic definitions that reject supernatural explanations
Kys retard.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 13:58:11 No.13711171 Report

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>>13711145
I don't understand which side you're on, but 'logic' is not a well-defined term

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 14:02:46 No.13711185 Report

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>>13711028
All models are wrong, but some of them are useful

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 14:15:53 No.13711224 Report

Quoted By: >>13711229

At the end of the day, we are just fancy apes throwing our concepts at the universe

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 14:19:49 No.13711229 Report

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>>13711224
I don't fling concepts, I literally fling my shit, as any self respecting ape should.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Oct 2021 14:23:29 No.13711236 Report

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>>13710817
>why does randomness exist?
Does it? The mersenne twister fulfills every test of randomness yet has a period of (2^19937) ? 1 and is therefore totally deterministic.

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