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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 20:12:39 2021 No.13653361 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13653368 >>13653382 >>13653441 >>13653473 >>13653474 >>13653527 >>13653545

How can something objectively bad like "pain" even exist in the world of physics and math? How do the laws of physics allow for objectively bad things to happen. If you need proof that pain is objectively bad, then kindly stick your dick into a blackhole and tell me it doesn't hurt objectivey.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:15:19 No.13653368 Report

Quoted By: >>13653374

>>13653361
>"pain" is objectively bad
How so?
>If you need proof that pain is objectively bad, then kindly stick your dick into a blackhole and tell me it doesn't hurt objectivey.
That's tautological.
Just because painful actions inflict pain does not mean pain is bad.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:16:13 No.13653374 Report

Quoted By: >>13653384

>>13653368
You've never felt pain before? Maybe some people are just soulless and they don't feel pain.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:17:27 No.13653382 Report

Quoted By: >>13653481

>>13653361

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:18:01 No.13653384 Report

Quoted By: >>13653406 >>13653437

>>13653374
Of course I've felt pain. Pain is painful.
Everyone would agree with that.

But you're taking it a step further and saying pain is bad.
Obviously pain is painful, but why is pain bad?

You haven't justified this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:24:08 No.13653406 Report

Quoted By: >>13653424

>>13653384
Do you have qualia? It is bad in that qualia regards it as bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:28:44 No.13653424 Report

Quoted By: >>13653440

>>13653406
Well, I can agree with that, but that would explicitly contradict the OP.
>How can something objectively bad like "pain" even exist
If we define pain as qualia, there would be no such thing as objectively bad pain.
Pain would be, by definition, purely subjective.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:31:29 No.13653437 Report

Quoted By: >>13653469

>>13653384
>Obviously pain is painful, but why is pain bad?
Not the OP.
Pain is not bad in itself.
It signals the organism that there is a situation that requires attention and immediate resolution to avoid possible permanent damage to the organism.

Constant pain is an indication that the environment or organism is facing physical stress which may lead to non-existence.
This life takes issue with.
Life wants to continue. Its a feature of the phenomena. So its important to us as humans anyway.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:31:37 No.13653440 Report

Quoted By: >>13653469

>>13653424
Or would it?
The thing is, sometimes we forget that our senses are the things that connect us to this world first and foremost. Even before science, comes the senses. So the closest thing we have to objective is qualia.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:32:16 No.13653441 Report

Quoted By: >>13653452 >>13653463 >>13653468 >>13653469 >>13653487

>>13653361
Pain is merely a physiological response to negative stimuli to alert the lifeform to avoid such stimuli. There's nothing unique about nerve cells specifically that induce such pain. We could just as easily define pain as plants reorienting themselves to survive rainfall, or releasing toxins to protect themselves from predators. Hell, recent studies also showed that plants emit a specific frequency of sound (undetectable via human ears) when preyed upon by herbivores. Vegans, especially of the pseudointellectual philosophical kind, are such dishonest faggots that they somehow think all life is sacred and should be protected from pain (cf. "Suffering"), all the while they anthropomorphize their definition of pain and don't give a shit about the cries for help plants give when being plucked from the ground.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:36:05 No.13653452 Report

Quoted By: >>13653459

>>13653441
>all the while they anthropomorphize their definition of pain and don't give a shit about the cries for help plants give when being plucked from the ground.
Wait a minute. Fruit is a specific feature of plants for animal consumption so that seeds can be distributed.
Fruit trees and fruit bearing plants are vixen whores who want you to lick their juices.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:37:35 No.13653459 Report

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>>13653452
And what about vegetables?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:39:02 No.13653463 Report

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>>13653441
When you have a complex device like the brain and it is creating a system of reactions and actions and whatnot, pain opens the gate to certain negative reactions, but WE are linked to our brains. So how does pain MANIFEST on OUR SIDE of the equation? As "bad."

So, I see everything in first-person, so does everybody else, this is why some schizos think they are the only person that exists sometimes, but from my frame of reference, pain is objectively bad. Because I am the center of my own frame of reference.

One-half is an objective term and a subjective term, because it is relative, but since it is always equal in its relativity it is objectively "one half." all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:40:07 No.13653468 Report

Quoted By: >>13653487

>>13653441
(Samefagging addendum): neurologically, pain is an excitation of nerve cells. Similarly, pleasure is also an excitation of nerve cells. The brain is wired to differentiate between these two responses even though, from a physical perspective, the responses are actually the same at the nerve cell level. This is why some people find pleasure in pain (bdsm) or pain in pleasure (sex hurts). The fact there's this pain-pleasure duality from physiological responses is all you need to conclude that pain is an ill-defined concept.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:40:15 No.13653469 Report

Quoted By: >>13653479

>>13653437
>>13653441
>Pain is merely a physiological response to negative stimuli
>It signals the organism that there is a situation that requires attention
True, I was only thinking about validity. Good points.

>>13653440
>Even before science, comes the senses. So the closest thing we have to objective is qualia.
I agree that qualia is objectively real, but if pain is qualia, and each infliction of pain is distinct from the others, we can't say pain itself is objectively bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:40:32 No.13653473 Report

Quoted By: >>13655050

>>13653361
Pain isn't neccessarily bad, but it could be. Pain can be so excessive that it can cause shock, and potential death. But it's well known by now that pain in itself is essential for us to be aware of what to avoid. If we had no pain, you would see people engage in self-immolations and other such things frequently, not feeling anything but harming themselves nonetheless

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:40:41 No.13653474 Report

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>>13653361
>stick dick in black hole
>it gets stretched to infinite length

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:41:41 No.13653479 Report

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>>13653469

All I know is that pain hurts. Something in my brain just can't call it subjective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:42:31 No.13653481 Report

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>>13653382
Keked

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:44:42 No.13653487 Report

Quoted By: >>13653490

>>13653441
>>13653468
In summary, to define pain is to encounter a sorites problem. On the one side of the spectrum you have pain, whilst on the other you have pleasure. In-between is a rich confluence of pleasurable pain, e.g. the taste of sourness or spiciness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:46:04 No.13653490 Report

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>>13653487
Sticking your flaccid dick in a glass bottle and then getting hard while it's inside is also pleasurable pain

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:57:53 No.13653527 Report

Quoted By: >>13655050

>>13653361
>something objectively bad like "pain"
You do know that masochists exist, right? Are masochistic preferences just objectively wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 21:02:18 No.13653545 Report

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>>13653361
reality is indifferent

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Anonymous Sat 18 Sep 2021 11:48:27 No.13655050 Report

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>>13653473
Came here to post exactly this
"Bad" is an useless word, and pain is an useful reaction, I'd say essential for our survival
It's like a fire alarm: you hope to go through your whole life without needing one, but when you need it, you should be glad it goes off
>>13653527
>Are masochistic preferences just objectively wrong?
Kind of, yes

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