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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 01:36:28 2021 No.13646989 View Reply Original Report

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Everything is a subset of logic and math, prove me wrong

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 01:48:55 No.13647042 Report

Quoted By: >>13647044

counterexample: rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 01:49:51 No.13647044 Report

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>>13647042
counterexample: crystals

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 01:51:13 No.13647045 Report

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counterexample: gender studies

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 01:56:04 No.13647060 Report

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counterexample: African and minority studies

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:04:09 No.13647078 Report

Quoted By: >>13648541 >>13649354

>>13646989
math and logic is a subset of philosophy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:04:12 No.13647079 Report

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yermom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFxU56AfZIo

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:05:12 No.13647084 Report

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https://imgur.com/a/Gzp2Ile

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:09:49 No.13647099 Report

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technically rules like "reserved keyword used as an identifier" aren't math or logic natively; they're compiler & language design features
so Gödel's error of attempting to define "proof" as the name of a set or function is an error that was programmed into a computer, then translated "back into mathematics"

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:13:49 No.13647117 Report

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>>13646989
You can't prove proven facts wrong.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:23:31 No.13647140 Report

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Set theory generally doesn't introduce the ordered pair (,) as a function symbol associated with axioms
>(a,b) = (c,d) iff a = b and c = d
>for all a,b there exists a unique z such that z = (a,b)
Rather, an arbitrary explicit definition such as the Kuratowski ordered pair is offered. Students should be taught that no explicit definition is required, and the axioms above should be added to ZFC.
Removal of the explicit definition of the ordered pair and teaching the relevant theory that makes such removal possible is a matter of education philosophy & curriculum development.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:48:49 No.13647214 Report

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>>13646989
me doing illogic things

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:51:42 No.13647221 Report

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>>13646989
>Everything is a subset of logic

And what of leftist policy? Check. Mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 02:54:49 No.13647238 Report

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>>13646989
>computer science is the study of computation
>computation is the act of following a model of predefined rules and instructions
>logicians and mathematicians perform computation
>logic and math are subsets of computer science

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 03:07:21 No.13647269 Report

Quoted By: >>13647271

Women.

Check-mate OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 03:07:57 No.13647271 Report

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>>13647269
venus spins upside down everything is in order

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 03:09:34 No.13647273 Report

Quoted By: >>13648560

>>13646989
i cant

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 07:43:24 No.13647743 Report

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>>13646989
if you go on wikipedia and click every second hyper-text on any article you'll reach mathematics or philosophy

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 07:53:11 No.13647757 Report

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>>13646989
Your mom is a member of the set of everything.
Your mom is so fat, her cardinality exceeds that of any mathematical or logical object.
Therefore everything cannot be a subset of logic and math. QED.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 09:07:33 No.13647871 Report

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>>13646989
counter example: fluid dynamics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 09:08:51 No.13647875 Report

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counterexample: logic and math

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:08:19 No.13648136 Report

Quoted By: >>13648151 >>13648184

>>13646989

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:16:33 No.13648151 Report

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>>13648136
That's not a logical fallacy. Why can't debooter sois into basic logic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:34:37 No.13648179 Report

Quoted By: >>13648184 >>13648188

>>13647875
Here's something funny:
You can't directly prove LEM, but you can disprove it being wrong, that is safely use it as an axiom.
How does that fit in your internet rhetoric infographic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:36:15 No.13648184 Report

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>>13648179
Meant for
>>13648136

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:39:21 No.13648188 Report

Quoted By: >>13648205

>>13648179
>you can disprove it being wrong, that is safely use it as an axiom
That'd count as a substantial argument in favor of your position, in contrast to "LEM, bruh. Prove me wrong!". You're as much of a retard as he is.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:47:16 No.13648205 Report

Quoted By: >>13648239 >>13648242

>>13648188
Relax cunt, I have no position on OP. I'm just saying burden of proof has low use beyond rhetoric.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:55:54 No.13648239 Report

Quoted By: >>13648261

>>13648205
And then you totally fail to substantiate it, because your example is one of taking up the burden of proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:56:23 No.13648242 Report

Quoted By: >>13648251

>>13648205
It has a use to start a debate and have a conversation instead of the shit posting everyone has been doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 12:59:14 No.13648251 Report

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>>13648242
Debates are intellectually worthless, and merely a form of propaganda tailored to midwits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 13:01:36 No.13648261 Report

Quoted By: >>13648265

>>13648239
Here you go, you demanding little bitch.
If your axiom is consistent with you current system and has sufficient use, there's no need to disprove it being wrong to make use of it. Basically "axiom, prove me wrong" is not wrong, midwit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 13:02:53 No.13648265 Report

Quoted By: >>13648274

>>13648261
>"axiom, prove me wrong" is not wrong
I never said it was wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 13:04:40 No.13648274 Report

Quoted By: >>13648287

>>13648265
But according to burden of proof, it's a logical fallacy to make use of it, whatever that means to rheddittoricians such as yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 13:07:01 No.13648287 Report

Quoted By: >>13648299

>>13648274
>But according to burden of proof, it's a logical fallacy to make use of it
Who cares? I wasn't defending his usage of this supposed fallacy. I just said your attempt at refuting him is fucking retarded, because it doesn't demonstrate something becoming widely accepted without proof.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 13:07:25 No.13648288 Report

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>>13646989
Counter-argument: Everything is a subset of art, prove me wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 13:09:55 No.13648299 Report

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>>13648287
What was I attempting to disprove? I'm just mocking him, like I'm mocking you for taking rhetoric or any statements in a language with semantics as logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 13:20:46 No.13648327 Report

Quoted By: >>13648529

>>13646989
math is a subset of philosophy

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:06:24 No.13648451 Report

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Math and language is a tiny subset of the universe.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:11:32 No.13648473 Report

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>>13646989
Counterpostulate: everything is a subset of a list of numbers, prove me wrong

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:17:10 No.13648496 Report

Quoted By: >>13648533

>>13648473
you mean can be represented as a list of numbers?

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:25:26 No.13648529 Report

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>>13648327
1+1=2 is a fact everywhere we look in the physical universe, its not philosophy even remotely

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:25:27 No.13648530 Report

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>>13648473
array of numbers > t*rdskian truth

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:26:27 No.13648533 Report

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>>13648496
no it all really is just a giant list of numbers and our "consciousness" is just a machine reading those numbers in a linear fashion, this is also why time exists/is an illusion

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:28:55 No.13648541 Report

Quoted By: >>13649323

>>13647078
> philosophy

hahahahahahahaha

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:30:26 No.13648544 Report

Quoted By: >>13649342

>>13647238
based

all that exists (can be implemented) is a computation.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:32:46 No.13648552 Report

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>>13646989
No it's turtles all the way down.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 14:35:32 No.13648560 Report

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>>13647273
based honest-poster

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 17:36:05 No.13649252 Report

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>>13646989
everything is a subset of everything. math originates from our brain observing and computing

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 17:52:22 No.13649323 Report

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>>13648541
Filtered

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 17:54:37 No.13649334 Report

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>>13649323
Indeed. It's actually sad they wasted their time getting into philosophy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 17:56:25 No.13649342 Report

Quoted By: >>13651237

>>13648544
Of course when you say can be implemented you mean by an imaginary magical machine with infinite memory and infinite processing capacity correct?

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 18:00:15 No.13649354 Report

Quoted By: >>13649400

>>13647078
Name one philosophy book that doesn't use logic.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 18:15:56 No.13649400 Report

Quoted By: >>13649410

>>13649354
name one logic book which doesn't use philosophy

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 18:19:13 No.13649410 Report

Quoted By: >>13651243

>>13649400
>he's trying to use logic to prove logic is based on philosophy
You basically admitted defeat, kek.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 07:12:59 No.13651237 Report

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>>13649342
No.
Infinity can not be implemented.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 07:14:08 No.13651243 Report

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>>13649410
based

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 08:41:54 No.13651457 Report

Quoted By: >>13654468

>>13646989
Ok. Everything is a subset. But is {Everything} a ‘sub’set?

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 09:04:55 No.13651514 Report

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>>13646989
counterexample: women

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 09:06:04 No.13651516 Report

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>everything is in your head

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 10:59:06 No.13651741 Report

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>>13646989
>prove me wrong
No, how about you prove you're right

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 18:21:49 No.13653001 Report

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>>13646989
Is physics a subset of logic and/or math?
If the answer is yes, then you're right.
If the answer is nope, then you're wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 18:32:18 No.13653040 Report

Quoted By: >>13653084

While most of nature can be broken down into mathematical abstractions. Such as a particle is a geometric shape that changes location across a space. Quantum particles are waves of probability, etc..
What about the soul and awareness. There are other fundamental properties at play here such as the order of ideas themselves and information.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 18:43:25 No.13653084 Report

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>>13653040
>There are other fundamental properties at play here such as the order of ideas themselves and information.
Subset of logic, they even can be described with bits as the unit of information.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Sep 2021 04:13:52 No.13654468 Report

Quoted By: >>13654877

>>13651457
Yes. Everything is a subset of itself brainlet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Sep 2021 09:22:52 No.13654877 Report

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>>13654468
Yes. But not a subset of logic and math brainlet.

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