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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 21:31:00 2021 No.13633915 View Reply Original Report

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Nutrition which is good for your fitness & health:
>it tastes bad and makes you feel like you're starving

Food that literally harms your fitness & health:
>leaves you feeling fulfilled and content

Explain this scientifically. It should be the other way around if considering evolutionary factors, right?

>Inb4 some retarded Sv3rige inspired sungazers talking about carnivore diet

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 21:33:54 No.13633934 Report

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>>13633915
>>13633915
My bet is that we like fats and simple carbs because they are dense in energy, enabling our ancestors who could get their hands on them to survive in the short term, long enough to breed.

The cringelords whose tastebuds preferred tree bark, spinach and carrots were probably too busy dying of starvation to procreate.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 21:35:55 No.13633949 Report

Quoted By: >>13633965 >>13633981 >>13633999 >>13634887 >>13635103

>Hamburgers and pizza? Don't you know those are, like, terrible for you, man?
Which part exactly is bad for you? Inb4 some pseudoscience shit about saturated fats and salt being the Devil.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 21:36:48 No.13633958 Report

Quoted By: >>13635224

Bruh eat a nice grass fed steak with some locally grown summer squash and green beans on the side and tell me you don't feel satiated and great.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 21:37:47 No.13633965 Report

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>>13633949
let me guess, you think coconut oil is healthy? LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 21:40:30 No.13633981 Report

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>>13633949
Often times the buns (or dough), meats, and cheeses contain tons of preservatives that wreck your intestines and hormonal systems.

That does not have to be the case, though. If you grow your own shit or know people who also grow shit, you can put together some nutritious burgers and pizzas.

I would only eat that many carbs later in the day once I don't have to be productive though.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 21:44:17 No.13633999 Report

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 23:16:36 No.13634281 Report

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>>13633915
>Nutrition which is good for your fitness & health:
Starch.

>leaves you feeling fulfilled and content
Also starch.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 23:42:14 No.13634325 Report

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>>13633915
fast food evolved to make you want to eat it. vegetables are under the opposite evolutionary pressure

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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 2021 23:48:40 No.13634341 Report

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But both sides of your pic are tasty (and healthy if taken in moderation).

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 00:29:28 No.13634403 Report

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>>13633915
Consider that these are only the foods that we can eat. Many unhealthy foods we arguably shouldn’t, and many we can’t, you just included the first of those two.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 00:44:29 No.13634433 Report

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Our bodies didn't develop a mechanism for detecting too much sugar, fat, or salt since too much of those nutrients basically didn't exist for hunter-gatherers due to scarcity. Additionally, your food cravings and preferences are dictated by your intestinal microbiome. If a person eats a lot of junk food, the gut bacteria that like that become more prevalent and send signals for more junk food. It takes somewhere between 2-6 weeks of a steady diet to shift the microbiome back in another direction, so the first leg of a new diet will always be unappealing.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 03:45:59 No.13634887 Report

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>>13633949
Nothing is which is why the fatties who've responded to you have failed to present a single argument. A burger is more nutrient dense and healthy than the majority of humans have eaten for millenia.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 05:08:03 No.13635053 Report

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>>13633915
it's framed as this way (healthy and untasty vs tasy but bad for you) but it's really just people thinking an uncooked head of broccoli is somehow comparable to highly processed and cooked several times over fast food. compare a raw burger with nothing on it processed (the bun the cheese the sauces) to some raw broccoli and then we'll talk about what tastes better. also: you can cook veggies and they taste good.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 05:10:45 No.13635057 Report

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>>13633915
I prefer nutritious food. Your appetite and tastebuds are downstream of your diet. Look into gut bacteria.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 05:39:51 No.13635099 Report

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>>13633915
Our ancestors ate all the delicious veggies so the remaining veggies evolved to taste bad.
Basically your ancestors fucked you over my dude.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 05:41:05 No.13635103 Report

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>>13633949
Meat and dairy are more calorie dense than fruits and vegetables. Usually when people are talking about the problems with fast food it's coupled with an assumption that people are often eating fast food as opposed to "healthy" food, and since fast food is almost all cheap, calorie-dense food people tend to eat more calories from fast food before they feel full because "feeling full" is actually a chemical process that takes some time to get to your brain. Eating just vegetables you can eat as many as you want until you feel full and probably still not have eaten nearly as many calories as a regular cheeseburger. If you're talking about people who are overweight, the first dietary step is to get them to eat fewer calories, so without going into more nuance just trying to get them to stop eating fast food altogether will tend to mean fewer calories eaten if they're eating less calorie-dense food even without any kind of calorie counting.

There's nothing inherently wrong with eating hamburgers or pizza though if you are eating them in moderation. Some people feel better when they get more granular about measuring their nutrition like only eating a certain number of carbs or eating certain things at a certain time of day, but if you just want to be generally healthy you can approximately measure the calories you're eating and generally eat lots of different foods to get different nutrients.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 06:11:24 No.13635138 Report

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>>13633965
all oli is bad for you

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 06:12:30 No.13635143 Report

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>>13635138
>>13633965
*oils

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 06:51:30 No.13635202 Report

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>>13633915
>tfw started preparing food way more often
>went from junk food 3-4 times a week to maybe twice per month
>no more sodas or sugary drinks just sparkling waters

I feel better than ever. Niggers can have their McDonald’s and Coke, and drink it too! Drink it up you fucking animals. Eating and shitting, eating and shitting, woooooooo!

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 06:57:30 No.13635212 Report

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I think it might be related to physiological addiction or at least tolerance. People who cut out shitty junk food for awhile tend to lose their appetite for it.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 07:01:12 No.13635218 Report

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>>13635202
DUDE THE FOOD YOURE EATING

IT TASTES BAD AND YOU FEEL HUNGRY

PLEASE BRO

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 07:02:15 No.13635220 Report

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>>13633915
The burrito and burger aren't that bad if you don't add all that extra junk and eat more of the stuff on the left anyway. The beer and processed junk might be not too great for you though

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 07:03:50 No.13635224 Report

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>>13633958
Not everybody wants to or can afford to eat $20 breakfast lunch and dinner for $100 everyday though. So we need extra protein from a burrito here and there. Doesn't mean we don't eat fruits and vegetables as well

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 07:07:06 No.13635233 Report

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>>13635103
This is pretty close. More variety in foods is best. Try picking up different foods at the grocery store to balance out the the nutrients that you're not getting in those caloric rich foods. Eat all different colors of fruits and vegetables, read labels and avoid junky ingredients like oleac oil, hydrogenated oils, hfcs, etc

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 07:19:04 No.13635265 Report

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>>13635218
My fish tacos were slightly less good than the ones I got at a fancy restaurant a ways back, but I did manage to feed myself and my wife and make a salad for tomorrow too, at half the price of that dish.

You seem to be projecting your own failures cooking onto me and im sorry it didnt go well for you.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 11:38:42 No.13635676 Report

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Part of the intuition mistake here is that it's not just a one-way causation. It's not that we prefer these things that are bad for us, it's that these things that are bad for us have been developed through rigorous trial-and-error.

Then on top of that you've got the human body's flaw of optimizing for maximum caloric intake as getting 'too fat' either wasn't a thing (not enough food available) or not a problem (you reproduced before it had survival impacts).

Obesity is almost exclusively a modern problem, for the two main reasons I've just described.

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