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Androgenetic alopecia/Patterned baldness

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 02:06:14 2021 No.13623471 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13623481 >>13623615 >>13623880 >>13627401

The current theory is outdated, chronic scalp tension is what seems to trigger the disease development in people predisposed to it and who produce enough androgens.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987717310411

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Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 02:09:16 No.13623481 Report

Quoted By: >>13623512

>>13623471
My theory of everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 02:19:28 No.13623512 Report

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>>13623481
I hope this is fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 03:04:30 No.13623615 Report

Quoted By: >>13623643 >>13623661 >>13623889 >>13627579

>>13623471
men in their late 30's to 40's with a full head of hair look weird, I have trouble taking them seriously. they just end up looking like some 20-something who took too much meth

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 03:10:26 No.13623643 Report

Quoted By: >>13623674

>>13623615
>men in their late 30's to 40's with a full head of hair look weird
Most men still have all their hair at that age.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 03:14:14 No.13623661 Report

Quoted By: >>13623674

>>13623615
This is pure copium. Salt n pepper hair or even a full head of silver looks great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 03:16:47 No.13623674 Report

Quoted By: >>13623783 >>13623820 >>13627579

>>13623643
it's more of a 50/50
>>13623661
I didn't say they look bad, they objectively look attractive, I'm saying I can't take them seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 03:47:29 No.13623783 Report

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>>13623674
>it's more of a 50/50
It depends on where you live.
>Hamilton estimated that 30% to 50% of men developed MAA by the age of 50.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 04:00:42 No.13623820 Report

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>>13623674
it's ok man they don't need you to take them seriously

liszt at age 47

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 04:22:33 No.13623880 Report

Quoted By: >>13623969 >>13624004

>>13623471
nah, tension seems to be a symptom. i had a very tight scalp and itchiness but as soon as I got on a ketoconazole shampoo, and i mean literally on the same day I used it, my scalp tension went away. i was doing scalp massages and it was almost always very tight but ever since the shampoo its been very loose. 2 months later, im still receeding fast though. dht also fucks with oil/sebum production which causes more irritation and infections, and i get pains and itchiness at my receeding hairline that I assume is a symptom of fast miniaturization. all these things i imagine to be the cause of the tightness that ketoconazole and daily shampooing relieves.

imo the biggest gap in the research is why does balding happen in a pattern? as far as I can tell, no one knows yet. im not even sure if we know exactly why DHT miniaturizes follicles, or at least I couldnt find why, so either we dont know or it isso technical that its only written in a few places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 04:25:03 No.13623889 Report

Quoted By: >>13624004

>>13623615
yeah but im early 20s and have the hairline of a 30 year old, and everything else on me has aged very little. shit sucks when you still have the face and body of a high schooler but if you pull your hair back you are NW2 and have to style your hair in a particular way to hide the huge spots.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 04:25:29 No.13623892 Report

Quoted By: >>13623922 >>13623988 >>13624004 >>13627600

By the way, anons, if you're currently balding, please answer me these questions:
1. Is your scalp shiny and oily?
2. Does the skin on top of your head feel significantly tighter compared to the sides and back? It's supposed to only be slightly tighter when you use both hands to push it together (inwards).
3. Is the top of your scalp dome-shaped?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 04:35:16 No.13623922 Report

Quoted By: >>13624004

>>13623892
this looks like nonsense. just because his hairline is square doesn't mean his skull is more dome shaped. my hairline used to be square and my pictures from a couple years ago make my head shape look like that asian guy's but I have rapid hair loss. the skull growth that DHT causes almost certainly isn't so significant that you would be able to tell from pictures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 04:50:47 No.13623969 Report

Quoted By: >>13624004

>>13623880
actually according to OP's article, the mechanism that causes follicles to miniaturize is in fact not known. we can clone hair follicles but we don't know why they miniaturize besides the fact that DHT must be present.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 04:56:06 No.13623988 Report

Quoted By: >>13624004

>>13623892
>1. Is your scalp shiny and oily?
No
>2. Does the skin on top of your head feel significantly tighter compared to the sides and back? It's supposed to only be slightly tighter when you use both hands to push it together (inwards).
No, the skin is equally supple on all sides
>3. Is the top of your scalp dome-shaped?
I don’t know what this means and the picture doesn’t explain it either, I am Nordic with a typical Nordic skull shape though

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Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 05:03:24 No.13624004 Report

Quoted By: >>13624044

>>13623880
>and i mean literally on the same day I used it, my scalp tension went away.
Well, the article linked evidence showing the scalp is tighter in people who suffer from AGA. I doubt yours really did become loose so fast because there's no mechanism by which ketoconazole could do this so fast.
>why does balding happen in a pattern?
Covered in the article. It's due to the shape of the scalp.
>im not even sure if we know exactly why DHT miniaturizes follicles
Pic related.

>>13623889
See >>13623892.

>>13623922
>just because his hairline is square doesn't mean his skull is more dome shaped.
Huh? A dome-shaped skull means baldness is present and the study from which the image comes from shows the Asian guy has a flat head line shape in a picture with a buzz cut.
>the skull growth that DHT causes almost certainly isn't so significant that you would be able to tell from pictures.
It's not skull growth in this case, it's increased skin thickness.

>>13623969
>the mechanism that causes follicles to miniaturize is in fact not known
Pic related.

>>13623988
>I don’t know what this means
With a shaven head or a buzz cut, look at the top of your head and compare it to the 3 cases shown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 05:18:19 No.13624044 Report

Quoted By: >>13624079

>>13624004
>I doubt yours really did become loose so fast because there's no mechanism by which ketoconazole could do this so fast.
ketoconazole reduces inflammation and kills bacteria, and on the first application it did a good job and inflammation decreased that night. physically tense scalps aren't even something that always happens in pattern baldness and it seems that even discomfort like pain or itchiness is not common. the tension that you can feel when massaging your scalp and the oil production seem to be separate, though DHT is a common factor between balding and sebum production.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Sep 2021 05:34:07 No.13624079 Report

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>>13624044
>ketoconazole reduces inflammation and kills bacteria
Sure? This wouldn't address chronic contraction or muscular overdevelopment in weeks, let alone a day.
>physically tense scalps aren't even something that always happens in pattern baldness
Proof that debunks the evidence it does present in the article?
>the tension that you can feel when massaging your scalp and the oil production seem to be separate
They are linked because the tension leads to an abnormal androgen response.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 03:32:48 No.13627401 Report

Quoted By: >>13629780

>>13623471
what triggers it is being white
it's why the white race hates it's zoomers the most

both in men and women since the race itself ages like milk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 04:49:45 No.13627579 Report

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>>13623674
>>13623615
>Waah waah why aren't you hairless and old like me!
Who gives a shit about what you consider serious?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 04:59:29 No.13627600 Report

Quoted By: >>13627617 >>13627635 >>13629780

>>13623892
21 year old, always had a fucked up hairline, lost a lot in my teens, seems to have slowed down, god willing.
1. Yes, I'm a greasy med. Parts of my scalp burned or itched in the area my hair was falling out.
2. The areas that have lost hair do feel tenser and tighter. I try to massage and use a dermaroller, that's it, I haven't taken anything, neither is my haircare routine very extensive.
3. I have no idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:04:42 No.13627617 Report

Quoted By: >>13627635

>>13627600
Damn...

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Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:11:46 No.13627635 Report

Quoted By: >>13627642 >>13627661 >>13628321

>>13627617
>>13627600
My hairline now

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Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:13:40 No.13627642 Report

Quoted By: >>13627645 >>13627661 >>13627677 >>13628321

>>13627635
where it used to be

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:14:52 No.13627645 Report

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>>13627642
Started losing it when I was like 14.
All my relatives seem to still have hair until they're in their 70's and 80's, just very very receded hairlines. Here's hoping for the best, anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:23:20 No.13627661 Report

Quoted By: >>13627674

>>13627642
>>13627635
isnt this just a mature hairline? Sure your corners are a bit high up but this isn't really bad at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:29:25 No.13627674 Report

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>>13627661
It depends, if it keeps going then it won't have been.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:31:00 No.13627677 Report

Quoted By: >>13627686

>>13627642
i have that slight bit of thinness in the very front that suddenly appeared last year and only recovered when i took vitamin d supplements
It still hasnt fully recovered, but it was 100% due to vitamin d deficiency. literally as soon as I started taking vitamin d supplements it started recovering and my hair shed WAY less
Fucking lockdown shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 05:38:33 No.13627686 Report

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>>13627677
I'm also a covid shut-in, so I might look into that.
My hair actually started falling out less with lockdowns, though, since it let me start a serious cardio regime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 12:05:53 No.13628321 Report

Quoted By:

>>13627635
>>13627642
alphadestiny?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Sep 2021 20:44:51 No.13629780 Report

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>>13627401
This is bait.

>>13627600
>3. I have no idea.
With a shaven head or a buzz cut, look at the top of your head and compare it to the 3 cases shown.

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