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Logical Fallacy in Transgenders

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 01:16:34 2021 No.13593277 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13593336 >>13593337 >>13593340 >>13593379 >>13593396 >>13593401 >>13593432 >>13594310 >>13594729

How could a transgender male/female know that it is the "wrong gender"?

They say "I feel like I'm the wrong gender". How would a biological male ever know what being female feels like if they've never been a female? How does he know his feelings aren't normal feelings of a male?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:25:59 No.13593307 Report

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I can't tell if this is a thinly veiled /pol/ thread, or a pseudointelligently veiled /consciousness/ thread.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:32:34 No.13593331 Report

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>>13593307
ME TIE DOUGHTY WALKER

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:34:27 No.13593336 Report

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>>13593277
There is no fallacy because there is no logic. Trannies are when autism turns its focus from games/anime/trains onto gender identity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:35:15 No.13593337 Report

Quoted By: >>13593376

>>13593277
man = adult human male
woman = adult human female

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:35:58 No.13593340 Report

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>>13593277
is reality BASED in 2 dimensions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:44:41 No.13593376 Report

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>>13593337
male = xy
female = xx

anyone who claims elsewise does not belong on /sci/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:46:29 No.13593379 Report

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>>13593277
Once a party have been identified as insane, it is illogical to seriously consider their position.
The only thing that can be done is cleanse the national body from the cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:46:45 No.13593381 Report

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>>13593336
the only good response. thank you anon for your wonderful work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:49:10 No.13593391 Report

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I can't wait until 100 years from now when transgenderism and physiognomy will be mentioned in the same sentence in school books.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:50:28 No.13593396 Report

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>>13593277
>How does he know his feelings aren't normal feelings of a male?
Because when Tom asks Brad: "Brad do you sometimes feel that you're a woman inside?"
Brad proceeds to punch him in the nuts and then responds: "No."
Tom repeats the exercise and gets the same results with his other friends.

Soon Tom discovers he is alone with these feelings.

Just as you question biological males about understanding female thoughts, YOU in turn CANNOT understand how a man feels who thinks he is a female trapped in a male body.

So here we are: We all lack understanding

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:51:16 No.13593401 Report

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>>13593277
they have a lifetime of being dissapointed/annoyed by tasks/life experiences normally their assigned gender goes easily by. this maladaption and inadequacy feelings dissapear when they perform the opposite sex, be it by behavior, or crossdressing, thats how they know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:55:55 No.13593416 Report

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>>13593401
i'm having a hard time understanding/deciphering what you're saying. could you clarify with an example?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:57:41 No.13593422 Report

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>>13593396
would you please explain what you mean when you say "feel like a woman inside?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:58:15 No.13593427 Report

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>>13593376

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 01:59:10 No.13593432 Report

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>>13593277
Projection and social norms

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 02:04:06 No.13593452 Report

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I actually have a serious question on the following internal inconsistency on the pseudoscience on this topic, but I'm not sure if this is a mistake or a strawman.

So gender is supposed to be a social construct, the meaning of which is derived only from culture. Therefore, if someone seems to naturally do activities and roles that women normally do, a person is led to believe that they are a woman. But you are also born transgender. It is not an acquired trait. Whether your mind will adhere to a certain gender construct is set in stone at birth.

Is this correct?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 02:06:49 No.13593460 Report

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>>13593422
>feel like a woman inside?
I cannot because I am not transgender and have no inclination towards those ideas and feelings.

I can report that this is what males say when they have these types of thoughts:
For a general picture, as example see:
https://www.quora.com/I-am-a-boy-but-inside-feel-like-a-girl-Is-this-normal-for-boys-during-puberty-to-have-those-feelings

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 02:08:50 No.13593466 Report

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>>13593452
Lets be clear here:

Gender is a biological construct.
Gender roles is social construct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 02:11:31 No.13593473 Report

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>>13593466
I'm trying to understand what people who posit the pseudoscience believe, and I've constantly heard the phrase 'gender is a social construct'

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 02:18:33 No.13593494 Report

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>>13593473
>'gender is a social construct'
That's the usual radicalism that is now a part of minority thinking. You have to radicalize your point of view to get a hearing. When you do get attention it is either pure hate or support.

Gender is obviously biological.
HOWEVER
Gender roles is human behavior.
There is nothing that says a woman cannot be the breadwinner and the man the stay at home parent.
Why not?

If one day tech allows a man to get a womb, make a zygote with another man, then the statement: YOU WILL NEVER BE WOMAN will turn out to be a fallacy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 02:46:59 No.13593560 Report

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>>13593494
he still would not be a woman, simply a man capable of reproduction via technological enhancement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 02:51:21 No.13593568 Report

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>>13593460
ok, but no one understands exactly what another person is feeling. If I say "I feel hungry" you don't know what I'm feeling exactly. Maybe hunger feels completely different for me compared to you. Ergo, a man who says "i feel like a woman inside" could be comparable to a man who says "i feel like a shark inside". WE JUST LACK UNDERSTANDING

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 03:10:45 No.13593621 Report

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It is now virtually impossible for western scientists to pursue any research into homosexuality which questions the politically correct narrative.

It is now up to pragmatic non-western countries to pursue meaningful research into the real cause.

>Year 2056 AD.
> Chinese scientists isolate prion-viral complex which is identified as biological agent responsible for homosexual behavior.
>Homosexuality now classified as an infectious disease
>China cures homosexuality, lesbianism, transgenderism.
>China offers cure to the West
>The West rejects the cure because its incorrect think.
>2250 AD
>China begins colonizing the Galaxy
>The rest of the world has been designated a quarantined "nature reserve". No access in or out allowed.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 03:25:01 No.13593656 Report

Quoted By: >>13594325 >>13594695

These aren't logical fallacy's retarded brainlet
>how would a biological male ever what being a female feels like if they've never been female
This isn't required. You can just see how females act and are treated and want to act and treated like them. For transgender people it causes them distress not to act and treated as such so they desire it. Probably in a similar way to you if you were forced to wear makeup and wear dresses
>how does he know his feelings aren't normal feelings of a male?
Because you can ask people to see if its not normal to desire to act and to be treated like a woman? At least for me I am a little curious what its like to have female features but that stops at curiosity, I'd hate to act and be treated like a women. Maybe you are trans OP if you think this is normal.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 03:25:14 No.13593657 Report

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Someone summed up the reality every well.

"Transsexuals are men who think they are women trapped inside a man's body"

They are not women trapped inside a man's body.

The difference is significant. Its a male fantasy of what a woman is. Its a male view of how a female behaves. Keep this in mind if you ever encounter a transsexual and you will see its true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 07:54:25 No.13594125 Report

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I dont understand what all the fuss is about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 08:10:51 No.13594148 Report

Quoted By: >>13594188 >>13594331

"Gender" is an invalid concept. It has no basis in reality. Sex is based in reality. There are two sexes, male and female. Some men wear dresses and put dildos up their asses, but they are still men.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 08:19:34 No.13594167 Report

Quoted By: >>13594201 >>13594310 >>13595707

>>13593460
I've never felt like a man inside either, I don't know what that would even mean and I'm a man

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 08:27:22 No.13594188 Report

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>>13594148
This is the truth.
Gender is a fiction invented by John Money as an excuse to exercise his pedophilic fantasies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 08:33:50 No.13594201 Report

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>>13594167
Keep trying different things until you discover what makes you feel like a man inside. It's worth whatever you have to do. It's the meaning of your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 09:03:33 No.13594251 Report

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>>13594188
Wow, cool it with the antisemitism megaHitler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 09:52:05 No.13594310 Report

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>>13593277
>How does he know his feelings aren't normal feelings of a male?
By asking?
>How would a biological male ever know what being female feels like if they've never been a female?
It's not really possible to know how another person really feels but we can know if what we think is what other people think or if what we want is the same as what other people want. Like when people say "I want to have children" well if they're a guy they'll want to be a father and and if they're a girl they'll want to be a mother and if someone is a guy biologically but wants to be a mother there's a pretty big reason to think they aren't a guy mentally because no guy wants to be a mother and male socialization is so restrictive on expression it's not even in consideration for lots of people. You can even see itt how male socialization makes anons unable to even think about it - it's like the idea is an affront to their existence. So obviously something is different and whether that is biological or social or anything else it doesn't change that something is different.

>>13594167
>I've never felt like a man inside either
>I'm a man
Maybe not ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:04:18 No.13594325 Report

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>>13593656
Well said

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:07:46 No.13594331 Report

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>>13594148
This, why should I justify myself if I want to wear a dress and get fucked? Call me sir... maam... I don't give a fuck. Why should I even fall into one of your categories? when asked what sex, I choose YES!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 10:13:29 No.13594342 Report

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>>13593376
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 12:58:01 No.13594630 Report

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>>13593460
But that would mean most men would know what it feels like to be a man inside - which is clearly delusional.

If someone was isolated on an island their entire life - never having interacted with a single other person their whole life - would they also somehow know their gender?

The fact of the matter is that this unknownable, unseeable, and uninteractable notion of "gender" reeks of pseudoscientific bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 13:01:20 No.13594634 Report

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>>13593340
Yes.
2D is based, 3D is cringe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 13:27:51 No.13594695 Report

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>>13593656
>You can just see how females act and are treated and want to act and treated like them.
That explains the recent explosion in transgenderism. People just want to be treated like the preferred gender in our gynocentric society. Women have started receiving preferential treatment just about everywhere since like the mid 90s. No wonder boys don't feel adequate anymore and want to receive the same treatment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 13:36:50 No.13594714 Report

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Gender roles are a recent invention.

Men can have short or long hair.
Girls can be tough or weak.
Men can play with guns or dolls.
Girls can enjoy trucks or lambos.

Wearing a dress, a wig, plastic surgery, organ removal, talking in a higher pitched voice, being referred to as ma'am rather than sir are nit picky.

What if there was a society with no gendered pronouns? Would transgenders be upset that they can't be called their pronoun anymore?

Do transgender men to women desire to have a period cramps and give child birth?

Do they desire to have physically weaker muscles and higher pain tolerance and two xx chromosomes too? Or do they not care about those things? Just cherry picking what they want?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 13:40:47 No.13594729 Report

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>>13593277

There is NOTHING that makes a woman different from a man besides her physical body and clothes.

Therefore there is no such thing as the mind of a woman. Women are unique individuals and transgenders are STEREOTYPING them.

FTM is a stereotype of a man, where a woman will act "tough" but men don't have to be tough to be male. They STEREOTYPE men in a sexist way and then change themselves to confirm to their biased perception of a man

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 14:01:33 No.13594792 Report

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>>13593568
You will never be a real shark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 19:08:26 No.13595707 Report

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>>13594167
>>13593460
start injecting testosterone, then youll feel like a man

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