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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 03:41:22 2021 No.13538845 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13538868 >>13538936 >>13539000 >>13541380

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_meditation

What you think of science analysis of meditation? Personally tried for 30min a day for like a week and didn't really notice any change, wiki article is sort of equivocal.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 03:51:23 No.13538868 Report

Quoted By: >>13538883 >>13539531

>>13538845
Try focusing on ideas instead of trying go clear your mind.
Meditation when done correctly helps strengthen your mind and sharpen your senses.
Practicing one type of mental control is not enough to produce greater overall results however, so keep trying new methods, approaches and positions.
If you really seek to clear your mind while retaining conscious awareness, try a sensory deprivation tank for example.
The best use of "meditation" I have found is setting up an idea or object set and exploring it thoroughly from every direction while allowing for spontaneous thought within the bounds of the conditions I established.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:00:53 No.13538881 Report

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I can very easily enter into a hyper meditative state in which consciousness morphs into fractals. But I rarely do because it just feels like a mirage. It's so easy for me that it happens without even trying at times. I wonder what would happen if I continually developed it.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:01:06 No.13538883 Report

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>>13538868
>The best use of "meditation" I have found is setting up an idea or object set and exploring it thoroughly from every direction while allowing for spontaneous thought within the bounds of the conditions I established.

Haven't tried that I was trying to focus deeply on senses and letting my mind "flow". Don't know if it would work for me because I'm addicted to google. If I think deeply about something I inevitably come up with "important" question that I'm not satisfied until I google. If I let it slip away all I can focus on is trying to remember the question. This is probably bad habit even though it feels vaguely productive to learn about stuff I think deeply about

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:06:11 No.13538899 Report

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>>13538883
>If I think deeply about something I inevitably come up with "important" question that I'm not satisfied until I google. If I let it slip away all I can focus on is trying to remember the question.
Oh I understand!
Try having a recording device or your phone nearby so you can automatically speak and record you inquiries for later.
That way you can relax and check later.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:24:35 No.13538936 Report

Quoted By: >>13538958 >>13538976

>>13538845
>Personally tried for 30min a day for like a week and didn't really notice any change, wiki article is sort of equivocal.
What was your experience of trying meditation? Did you "do it right"?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:37:56 No.13538958 Report

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>>13538936
There is no "right" way of doing it. Do it many times, do it differently, do it until for YOU it feels "right". And you'll know that whatever fashion that you're doing it in is "right" because you will decrease stress, gain mind clarity and generally become more mindful of yourself.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:45:51 No.13538976 Report

Quoted By: >>13539285 >>13539726

>>13538936
Time passed much slower and it really tested my patience, I sat still on ground in mostly silent room with eyes closed for 30 minutes alarm. I read a bit about mindfulness and tried to really notice my senses and let thoughts float away. Best thing I learned from it was that really focusing on pain makes it lessen but now I can do that without meditation. I guess that was pretty valuable but other than that it was just difficult and I found myself happy when it ended and dreading it when I was about to start

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:51:07 No.13538986 Report

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ITT: People who have been inundated with stimuli since birth and never had to, or was even able to, sit with their own thoughts without distraction.

This is why the artisans of old were able to perform feats we have a hard time accomplishing with what they would consider magical technology, when they were just using their hands. Fine control of the body is just one side effect of becoming more aware of the processes happening that we're usually oblivious to.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 04:56:31 No.13539000 Report

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>>13538845
It depends on a lot of things, like having a "meditator brain", but at its core the practice is all about focusing attention and you can get the same practial results by focusing on anything. I'm very skeptical about the claims that meditation reveals the mind "as is", but there does seem to be something to it if you frame it a certain way. See: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342100261X?casa_token=xGlou6zFO28AAAAA:Revoa7IFN5O_WnPAmPcZhfLPJian9d47juZoX0E_nxvzIfOGaXyUEzCnAsVd9dlxDRRzvHTOIQ

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 06:36:11 No.13539285 Report

Quoted By: >>13539332 >>13539335

>>13538976
So, when you were meditating, did you still have frequent thoughts?

>>13538958
There are neuroscience studies of experienced meditators. The meditators which have empirically measurable differences in brain activity (in their default mode network) meditate in a specific way.
THAT is the right way.

If you get benefits from doing something you call "meditation", then good for you.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 06:55:38 No.13539332 Report

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>>13539285
Not really the focus on senses really did quiet the inner monologue in a way I haven't really experienced before but when it did interject it came with anxiety about how much time had passed and an urge to stop. Not very pleasant.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 06:55:56 No.13539335 Report

Quoted By: >>13539394

>>13539285
>meditate in a specific way
which way?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 07:17:30 No.13539394 Report

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>>13539335
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3250176/pdf/pnas.201112029.pdf

>>13539332
if you are having anxiety, there's a good chance you aren't doing it properly.
I personally use meditation to reduce my anxiety. I found an idea that works, from a guy called Krishnamurti, who was trained by some pajeets to become "the world teacher" or some such.
If you are trying to stop thinking. That is another kind of thought. You are trying to suppress thought with thought. Krishnamurti says that when he grasps this, he is able to stop thinking. And I have a similar experience.
Sometimes thoughts come into my head, and I can quickly let go of them, and clear my head again.
I don't know about you, but when I write something, or read something, I hear my voice in my head. And when I think, I hear my voice in my head. So I know (or rather, I believe) I'm meditating properly when my inner voice is quiet

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 07:26:34 No.13539409 Report

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I practice TM. Nothing spiritual in it for me, has proven (with science) health benefits and helps me not to end up in jail becaouse of my patient nature

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 08:39:41 No.13539531 Report

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>>13538868
this
it also requires a degree of courage to fully delve into ideas

i love doing it though it feels like im creating many threads of thought that will eventually tie together into a strong woven cord

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 09:35:54 No.13539673 Report

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>>13539394
could just tell me the name of the meditation you are referring to?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 09:57:33 No.13539726 Report

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>>13538976
30mins as a start seems way too much, it will probably make it even harder for the habit to stick because you don't get to see results so early and, as you said, it's too much of a commitment that you dread it when it's time to do it.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 15:20:37 No.13540478 Report

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>>13539673
not him but he is alluding to open door metaphor. If you leave your front and back doors open, people can come in, stop for lunch, and go on their way. Nobody gets "stuck". In this sense, instead of suppressing thoughts, you let go of them. Don't push them out, don't invite them to stay, just allow them to come in and exit your mind. The more you latch onto things, the harder it is to separate yourself from them

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 15:31:19 No.13540507 Report

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pretty dangerous and pointless.

meditative states are related to hypnotic states which are substates of dissociative behavior which is the kernel behind soviet and american medical research in torture, mind control and brainwashing.

original meditation was tied closely to pain - experience pain, enter dissociative state, meditate, reinforce indoctrination through meditation. repeat cycle until you begin to associate pain with your religious dogma.

i mean it works. if you do it correctly you do become a more effective person operating in the world because pain or resistance no longer weakens your will. but long term this cannot be good for your cognition. you're brute forcing rewiring and it can lead to psychotic breaks. the techniques work best in children because of the high neural load and requirement for plasticity.

you can test my claims in about 7 days just have a cold shower for a week:
>day 1 time yourself naked under cold water (you'll probably get 10-30 seconds)
>have your normal shower and sit still afterwards for 2-3 minutes with your eyes closed
>day 2 repeat day 1
...
>day 7 you should be up to 3mins+ of cold shower without much discomfort

historically all meditation was tied to some form of physical preconditioning almost always self-inflicted pain, because pain is a very basic function which clears the mind and helps the process of meditation gain a foothold.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 15:39:22 No.13540536 Report

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The only type of meditation I have ever done that felt interesting and worthwhile is bodyscan meditation. I did it a couple of times and can now very consistently enter into a state of "alertness" just by focusing on the tip of my fingers.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 16:01:53 No.13540589 Report

Quoted By: >>13541129

>>13540507
>you're brute forcing rewiring and it can lead to psychotic breaks.
this is pol logic and it's retarded.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 16:36:01 No.13540729 Report

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>>13540507
>dissociative behavior
isn't it good to be dissociated from this shit reality?
This is the principle dissociative base them on

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 16:37:24 No.13540735 Report

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>>13540507
>experience pain, enter dissociative state
Once in dissociative state you don't feel pain

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 18:34:05 No.13541129 Report

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>>13540589
>pol logic
meds

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 19:34:15 No.13541380 Report

Quoted By: >>13541404

>>13538845
Isn't it about opportunity cost. You could be doing something else.
Instead of meditating before/after sleep, isn't it just better to skip the meditation and have longer period for sleep.
I think in most cases is better to do pushups, body weigh squats or some other physical exercise rather than to meditate.
It's better to call your mom and maintain relationship than to meditate.
Cleaning your room, cooking, learning things, working etc.
In my calculation meditation is really low priority because there is always better things to do. This is the problem when I try to intellectually justify meditation, I'm sure it's better than playing gacha games, or getting drunk though.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 19:40:16 No.13541404 Report

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>>13541380
Also my suspicion is that people that find meditation easy or fun benefit the least from meditation. And the person who would benefit the most from meditation is also the person who has no patience to make himself meditate.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Aug 2021 02:08:08 No.13542524 Report

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>>13540507
This is a great example of someone who doesnt understand meditation

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Anonymous Sat 21 Aug 2021 03:15:54 No.13542674 Report

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>>13540507
Holy fuck you're stupid.

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