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There is something to reincarnation

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 18:33:46 2021 No.13505139 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13505275 >>13505313 >>13505331 >>13505362 >>13505378 >>13505595 >>13505717

If you reflexively disagree you're a pseud dogmatist and should be ashamed

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2016/12/REI35.pdf

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2017/04/REI42-Tucker-James-LeiningerPIIS1550830716000331.pdf

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2016/12/REI32-Tucker_keil-1.pdf

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/publications/academic-publications/children-who-remember-previous-lives-academic-publications/

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2021/03/22/the-astonishing-evidence-that-made-carl-sagan-believe-reincarnation-deserves-serious-study/

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 18:44:07 No.13505177 Report

Quoted By: >>13505200 >>13505275

Yes, yes there is. what studies have you found on astral projection and remote viewing? This field has begun to fascinate me as I become more aware of the evidence behind it.

What exactly is consciousness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 18:50:24 No.13505200 Report

Quoted By: >>13505204 >>13505225 >>13505275

>>13505177
>>13505177
I've just started reading Russell Targ's book The Reality of ESP and it seems promising so far. He is a cofounder of the twenty-million dollar, twenty-three year program launched during the Cold War that was supported by the CIA, NASA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, Army and Air Force intelligence and many other government agencies where they developed the psychic perception technique called remote viewing.
In addition he was a senior staff scientist and project manager for more than two decades at Lockheed Missiles and Space Co, and at GTE Sylvania, where he specialized in laser communications and atmospheric wind-shear measurements with lasers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 18:52:44 No.13505204 Report

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>>13505200
Ah I just came across him in this documentary, very eye opening stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1VX_W32mNM

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 18:56:16 No.13505225 Report

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>>13505200
There's a funny anecdote about how he got locked out of editing his wikipedia page because he tried to add sections covering all of his work with lasers which was most of his career. they removed it all and just left the details implying him being a crank who studied esp.
Fuck wikipedia, literal ministry of truth shit.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 18:59:02 No.13505241 Report

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also this is completely unrelated but I stumbled upon it and it gave me pause for thought about the origins of religiously associated shapes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3envqGOnUQ

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:04:54 No.13505275 Report

Quoted By: >>13505298 >>13505299 >>13505308 >>13505310

>>13505139
>>13505177
>>13505200
>>13505204
>>13505225
>>13505241

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:10:44 No.13505298 Report

Quoted By: >>13505351 >>13505590

>>13505275
Get lost, pseud. You are no different from the church to the invisible college. You are scum that inhibits real progress.
Universities and labs all over the world are now using four different protocols experimentally, those protocols being Remote Viewing, the Ganzfeld, Random Number Generation Perturbations, and Presentiment. The results collectively, by protocol, each show a six-sigma effect. Meaning that the odds are one in a billion that the results could have occurred by chance. The importance of this statistic becomes clear when we realize that one in a mere twenty is the threshold of significance.
So, that being true, why doesn’t everyone embrace the reality of ESP? The effects are, for instance, considerably larger than the effect size for 81 mg aspirin therapy. Millions of men take without hesitation a small aspirin on a much smaller level of evidence, while many of those pills takers, particularly if they are scientists, would dispute the reality of ESP, even though the evidence of its reality is much better established. Why is this? The answer of course, as Targ discusses, is that it is not facts alone that change minds, particularly when accepting change requires accepting a new world view.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:10:48 No.13505299 Report

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>>13505275
based

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:12:42 No.13505308 Report

Quoted By: >>13505366 >>13505381

>>13505275
But it has literal research papers documenting the reality of it? Are you that conditioned to ignore evidence that conflicts with your previously held opinion?

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:13:03 No.13505310 Report

Quoted By: >>13505326

>>13505299
>>13505275
You’re pathetic
>Max Planck, one of the towering physicists of the twentieth century who became a Nobel Laureate in 1918 for his seminal work on quantum theory, said, in an interview published in the British Observer, October 25, 1931: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” That is the blunt realpolitik view of a veteran scientific pioneer who, himself, faced harsh criticism when he first advanced the concept of quantum mechanics—an insight now fundamental to modern physics. As Planck learned in his own life, facts do not always change minds, even when they are overwhelming.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:13:28 No.13505311 Report

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>"psychology"

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:13:56 No.13505313 Report

Quoted By: >>13505325 >>13505338 >>13505357 >>13505428 >>13505692

>>13505139
Here's a study I'd fund:
Given that historically 'witchcraft' and various spiritual practices have been associated with women and femininity, and that in the modern day astrology, tarot, religiousness and superstition are heavily skewed towards women; find out whether there's a correlation between low testosterone levels and men who also believe in magic and spooky ghosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:16:50 No.13505325 Report

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>>13505313
I've been wondering about the link between dopamine and religiosity and whether that might also apply here?
Or the historical records of gay/tranny tribal shamen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:16:54 No.13505326 Report

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>>13505310
>A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it
Anon, schizoretards who try to summon grandpa's spirit have existed for millennia over countless generation changes, and yet here you are, still being ridiculed on the garbage dump of the internet

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:17:33 No.13505331 Report

Quoted By: >>13505341

>>13505139
How do they propose to study it? There is no physical representation of you from the previous life. I agree with the premise of reincarnation, but science should be fully shitting on it all of the time. The closest (analogy) they can even get to is signal / radio, like your body is an antenna for the spirit. While it may be accurate, it is absolutely retarded to try to determine something in the body which picks up a non-physical signal. Reincarnation comes from top-down realizations. Flipping a breaker and then trying to figure out how to get power back into the house is the most asinine bullshit imaginable.
So we are left with stories. Stories which don't necessarily corroborate reincarnation accept for the assertion of the individual. How is someone supposed to know they lived the event, or if they just witnessed it? Why would it stop at (n-1) life.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:19:14 No.13505338 Report

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>>13505313
If Newton was feminine, then I don't want to be masculine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:20:01 No.13505341 Report

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>>13505331
>but science should be fully shitting on it all of the time.
Ian Stevenson took a very self critical approach to his research on reincarnation. I think it a sensible idea.
however the possibility of psychic espionage should be taken precautions of

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:21:34 No.13505351 Report

Quoted By: >>13505357 >>13505384

>>13505298
That's nice, schizo

>>>/x/

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:24:17 No.13505357 Report

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>>13505313
>>13505351
Yea, that’s nice. And that’s why you’ll never participate in anything of any significance, let alone be in a position to fund it. It’s futile to argue with materialists and scientism worshippers, you’re staring at a wall. Scientism has become the new idol for idiots, your ilk substituted your intelligence for scientism so that you don’t have to think. Pity that.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:24:59 No.13505362 Report

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>>13505139
Jesus reincarnated, but that was a special case.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:25:24 No.13505366 Report

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>>13505308
>But it has literal research papers documenting the reality of it?
And? There's always some crank pushing pathological "science" and some shitty journal willing to publish it. Always.

>>>/x/

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:26:38 No.13505370 Report

Quoted By: >>13505390

>>13505338
Considering that he never married and most likely died a virgin, he must've had incredibly low sex drive, which means he indeed was low-test
Fund my study.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:28:26 No.13505378 Report

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>>13505139
>a bunch of retrospective studies relying entirely on the quotes of the parents
yeah. nah son, this belongs on >>>/x/

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:28:54 No.13505381 Report

Quoted By: >>13505400

>>13505308
>But it has literal research papers documenting the reality of it?
Funny how schizoretards will complain about 'scientism' and 'muh replication crisis', while at the same time think
>but here's an article!!!
is an argument.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:29:16 No.13505384 Report

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>>13505357
See >>13505351

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:31:05 No.13505390 Report

Quoted By: >>13505395

>>13505370
>muh testosterone
>any science outside my comfort zone and above my head is tranny shit and i’ll never be a real scientist but i got muh testosterone!
kys

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:31:57 No.13505395 Report

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>>13505390
>t. low test, would be a male temple prostitute in ancient greece

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:32:21 No.13505400 Report

Quoted By: >>13505410

>>13505381
>>13505366
If you can successfully pick apart the case studies and find a viable alternative explanation for them I would very much like to hear it so that I could dismiss this subject and read about something more real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:34:36 No.13505410 Report

Quoted By: >>13505435 >>13505482

>>13505400
How about you present your arguments and your proposed mechanism for the phenomenon right here in this thread instead

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:38:01 No.13505428 Report

Quoted By: >>13505562

>>13505313
just a random theory but what if the low t soiboi face guys are actually somehow interacting with each other at the psychic level and influencing their collective behaviour?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:38:53 No.13505435 Report

Quoted By: >>13505455 >>13505562

>>13505410
Targ literally has a passage that sums up your dumbass mentality:
>Along with Ed May, I once debated with Daniel Dennett, a prominent critic of ESP research, at an event produced by ABC News for station news staffs and station managers. We debated along for about thirty minutes, with Dennett making dismissive and disparaging remarks to anything Ed or I said, but always in generalities. Finally Isaid to him: “Let’s pick an experiment we both know, and you tell me what is wrong with it, and I will respond.” Without a moment’s hesitation he shot back in the most deliberately condescending act Ihave ever witnessed, saying, “You don’t think I actually read this stuff, do you?” There was a moment’s silence, then laughter began, first as giggles, then as chuckles, and, finally, as guffaws. It suddenly dawned on Dennett what he had said. He blushed and sat down, and left as soon as he could.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:43:36 No.13505455 Report

Quoted By: >>13505521

>>13505435
>“You don’t think I actually read this stuff, do you?”
That's a funny one, I'll have to read it.

Has anything been studied on the phenomenon of intuition?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:49:21 No.13505482 Report

Quoted By: >>13505524 >>13505542 >>13505562

>>13505410
This is the challenge of it. There are way more questions about the world that are forced to be admitted if reincarnation is proven. Think about it like this, what are the odds of being reincarnated on Earth? Twice in a relativity short period? Oh, and their previous life spoke the same language and lived within the country? This is a big fucking blank, even for those of us with whacky ass ideas about souls and monads. There is no evidence that any of us have any desire to remotely improve the world if we are just choosing to cycle in over and over again. Just the same asshole dropping shitting in the pool before he leaves knowing that he is going to jump in again.
Before that problem, is the question of why some person would remember and not everyone. And this is just plain hurrdurr.
If I had someone that thought they could remember their past life, I would not even be pushing the reincarnation narrative at all. I would be trying to understand the mechanism of their revelation. If you remember your life, do you remember your death. What was in between, describe entities there, etc.
Reincarnation because qualia if you can push everyone to just remember it.

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:56:58 No.13505521 Report

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>>13505455
>Has anything been studied on the phenomenon of intuition?

Not that I’m aware of, but I’m sure there’s some floating around. There’s still so much about us that remains a giant question mark. It’s exciting as it is intimidating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 19:57:42 No.13505524 Report

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>>13505482
>monads
like the coding structure or something else?

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:00:06 No.13505542 Report

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>>13505482
Wouldn't the reincarnation create a strong urge to protect local environments from destruction or pollution? If you thought you would be back there again in another generation or so you would want it not to be falling apart?

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:03:00 No.13505562 Report

Quoted By: >>13505590 >>13505733

>>13505428
They gape their mouths to better project their astral aura to each other
>>13505482
>>13505435
>schizo word salad
>still no proposed mechanism
into the garbage bin you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:08:33 No.13505590 Report

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>>13505562
You really do exude the depth of a puddle. When they lower you into your grave they will say “don’t worry it wasn’t that deep”.
The mechanism is unknown. The phenomena is real see >>13505298

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Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:09:06 No.13505595 Report

Quoted By: >>13505742

>>13505139
Reincarnation is a nightmare. The flesh prison carousel must end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:25:30 No.13505692 Report

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>>13505313
It's probably true, and also doesn't mean what you think: Brahmins can't fight, but they should rule Kshatriyas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:30:14 No.13505717 Report

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>>13505139
Please no. Just let the nightmare end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:33:02 No.13505733 Report

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>>13505562
>They gape their mouths to better project their astral aura to each other
heh

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:34:19 No.13505742 Report

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>>13505595
Is it the nightmare prison or is it the brief holiday from the infinity of existence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 20:35:40 No.13505748 Report

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Reincarnation, a fate worse than death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Aug 2021 21:40:28 No.13505963 Report

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>>13505325
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16054773/

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