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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 08:12:32 2021 No.13474620 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13474789 >>13474843 >>13474902 >>13474932 >>13474964 >>13474976 >>13476676 >>13477192

m-RNA vaccines aren't actually vaccines. it can't be classified as vaccines. it is a gene therapy, so why is it marketed as a vaccine?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 08:17:20 No.13474627 Report

Quoted By: >>13474650 >>13474847 >>13475048 >>13475086 >>13476972

Word meanings evolve over time. They are vaccines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 08:27:30 No.13474650 Report

Quoted By: >>13474847 >>13476972

>>13474627
This. It's a language problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:24:09 No.13474789 Report

Quoted By: >>13474847 >>13474916

>>13474620
>it can't be classified as vaccines.
False.
>it is a gene therapy
False.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:39:06 No.13474843 Report

Quoted By: >>13474853 >>13474872

>>13474620

According to google dictionary, a vaccine is

>a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

mRNA vaccines perfectly answer to this description.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:40:13 No.13474847 Report

Quoted By: >>13474876 >>13474953

>>13474627
>>13474650
it is not about the language it uses method different from classical vaccines and produces different results, nothing is same except similar delivery in the organism.
>>13474789
it is a gene therapy are you fucking retarded or know the process at all? all vaccines against SARS-COV2 except chinese one use gene therapy. and chinese one probably is not effrctive because it doesn't use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:42:15 No.13474853 Report

Quoted By: >>13474876 >>13477202

>>13474843
except you don't get immunity against it like you would get from older vaccines against other pathogens that used classical way of generating the antibodies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:48:25 No.13474872 Report

Quoted By: >>13474877 >>13474879

>>13474843
>Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person's genes to treat or cure disease. Gene therapies can work by several mechanisms: Replacing a disease-causing gene with a healthy copy of the gene. Inactivating a disease-causing gene that is not functioning properly
you still do not see it?
it is still gene therapy even if it alters protein synthesis functiom of few cells through rna->dna manipulation

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:50:44 No.13474876 Report

Quoted By: >>13474920

>>13474847
Gene therapy involves modifying your genes. mRNA vaccines do not modify your genes. They cause your cells to temporarily synthesize some protein they don't normally do, but without affecting your genome.

>>13474853
In what sense do you not get immunity? Because it's not 100% effective?
That still counts as "providing immunity" in a sense sufficient for the definition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:50:51 No.13474877 Report

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>>13474872
It has nothing to do with genes though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:51:47 No.13474879 Report

Quoted By: >>13474881

>>13474872
What the hell do you mean by "rna -> dna manipulation"? DNA is not involved in the mechanism of action.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 09:52:56 No.13474881 Report

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>>13474879
same person adding: it also doesn't "alter" anything about the cell, just temporarily causes them to do something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:00:33 No.13474902 Report

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>>13474620
OP needs to take a biology class

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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:04:09 No.13474916 Report

Quoted By: >>13474953

>>13474789
false

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:05:54 No.13474920 Report

Quoted By: >>13475455

>>13474876
>>13474877
>>13474881
>what is reverse transcription

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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:10:18 No.13474932 Report

Quoted By: >>13474977 >>13474996

>>13474620
Webster's (Used as reference for legal cases) I believe) literally changes the definition to make it fit.

Was https://archive.is/XGfdr and is now https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:16:05 No.13474953 Report

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>>13474847
>>13474916
Yes, false. None of the COVID vaccines are gene therapies.
I'm not being some partisan hack. For starters, I think, contra Fauci, that the NIH was funding gain-of-function coronavirus research.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:19:31 No.13474964 Report

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>>13474620
>it is a gene therapy, so why is it marketed as a vaccine?

I don't remember asking some lit major their fucking opinion.
Go back to your liberal arts you fucking goof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:22:33 No.13474976 Report

Quoted By: >>13474981

>>13474620
Who cares? If gene therapy can still inoculate you against a virus, then whether you call it a vaccine or not (which is typically used synonymously with inoculation) is merely splitting hairs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:22:44 No.13474977 Report

Quoted By: >>13474981

>>13474932
we are living in i creasingly unscientific world. they call it vaccine too to not scare off the normies, because gene therapy would scare the fuck out of them. at least they should have come up with some otber definition instead of calling it vaccine which it is not. this kind of shit kills science.

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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:23:45 No.13474981 Report

Quoted By: >>13475010

>>13474976
i care because of this
>>13474977

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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:26:51 No.13474996 Report

Quoted By: >>13475021

>>13474932
>b: a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)
so redifining science terms overnight is now normal? what the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:30:10 No.13475010 Report

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>>13474981
You'd put your faith in people who don't even wash their hands after wiping their asses after they shit? People who don't even properly brush their teeth? In general, even if you told people the truth about hygiene, they're too stupid to listen to it. As far as I'm concerned, the degradation of people's trust in science has nothing to do with this splitting of hairs. It has to do with nefarious actors who pretend this hair splitting has any meaning and leaks it to the public. The public has had to have the truth massaged for them since time immemorial.

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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:33:59 No.13475021 Report

Quoted By: >>13475072 >>13475078

>>13474996
That is just the tip of the iceberg. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:46:29 No.13475048 Report

Quoted By: >>13475102

>>13474627
The US patent office and the cdc have strict criteria of what constitutes a vaccine with legally defined words and their meanings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:54:53 No.13475072 Report

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>>13475021
How can draw that conclusion from that? Did you not read what it says?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 10:57:57 No.13475078 Report

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>>13475021
how can pcr messup when these two viruses have different genetic code?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 11:00:31 No.13475086 Report

Quoted By: >>13475094

>>13474627
yeah words to but scientific definitions and terms that also have legal background don't evolve and become redefined because you just introduced new product that you need to put in the same criteria (when originally it does not). this is equivalent of fraud done on wordlwide scale.

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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 11:03:47 No.13475094 Report

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>>13475086
You don't understand how scientists even use words. See e.g.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 11:07:08 No.13475102 Report

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>>13475048
Doesn't affect language, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 13:30:34 No.13475455 Report

Quoted By: >>13477095

>>13474920
read a book please, obviously mRNA from the covid vaccine will not undergo reverse transcription

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 18:34:21 No.13476676 Report

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>>13474620
>>13474620
They’re not really considered as gene therapy because they don’t alter our genes. If I’m not mistaken, the mRNA from the vaccine goes into the cell and is translated in the ribosomes, which are found in the cytoplasm, into the spike proteins. These spike proteins then cause an immune reaction where antibodies are produced against them in order to prepare our bodies should we get infected by COVID-19. This is why these mRNA vaccines are vaccines. And the mRNA doesn’t really go anywhere near our DNA, which is located in the nucleus, to cause any changes in our genes.

And also, like someone mentioned earlier, the mRNA won’t undergo reverse transcription to become DNA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 18:37:56 No.13476695 Report

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>eat gmo food
>dna gets modified

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 19:27:23 No.13476972 Report

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>>13474627
>>13474650
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Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 19:50:09 No.13477095 Report

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>>13475455
Yeah, yeah, it can't until "our understanding of the situation has evolved" and then suddenly it can but those who said it can't weren't wrong, they just evolved their understanding once again.
I'm not going to say it can happen. I don't know if it can or can't. What I do know is that there's been a metric fuckload of gaslighting and revisionism going on by the medical establishment and their IFLS! fan club so I have zero reason to trust anything they say. It's crazy how often the settled science evolves into something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 20:06:53 No.13477192 Report

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>>13474620
>it can't be classified as vaccines.
Why?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5540812/
>2017 Nov
>Google defines a vaccine as “a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.” The definition is lacking in that it is likely that cellular immune responses induced by immunization contribute, at least in some cases, to vaccine protection. The most successful vaccine strategies for the future will unravel the relative contributions of humoral and cellular immunity to protection for each pathogen and incorporate this knowledge into vaccine design. Nevertheless, a good case can be made that for many vaccines the antibody response is crucial, and antibody induction is the focus here.

So by 2017, there was already a suitable working definition that would include mRNA vaccines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Aug 2021 20:08:48 No.13477202 Report

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>>13474853
>except you don't get immunity against it like you would get from older vaccines against other pathogens that used classical way of generating the antibodies.
You realize there's several inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, right? And that they're not anywhere near 100% effective at providing immunity?

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