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Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 07:09:05 2021 No.13465503 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13465938

>undermines the validity of modern mathematics(compared to the classical rigor approach) to the point where even pop sci brainlet Veritasium makes a video on it highlighting the logical inconsistencies

>nothing personal,kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 07:12:07 No.13465514 Report

Quoted By: >>13465548 >>13465555 >>13469694

Why does that P have a second leg at a funny angle

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 07:15:44 No.13465522 Report

Quoted By: >>13465938 >>13468056

video mentioned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQX2HjkcNo

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Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 07:32:16 No.13465548 Report

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>>13465514
I can't unsee it now

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Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 07:44:18 No.13465555 Report

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>>13465514
It's his penis

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Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 11:27:22 No.13465938 Report

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>>13465503
>>13465522
you don't need real numbers for incompleteness, you stupid fucking animal

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 12:30:33 No.13466067 Report

Quoted By: >>13468040

The theory of real closed fields is complete, consistent and decidable. Go back to YouTube Wilderberg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 21:12:53 No.13467955 Report

Quoted By: >>13468045

The video has absolutely nothing to do with the real numbers. Stop watching Wildburger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 21:37:36 No.13468040 Report

Quoted By: >>13468666

>>13466067
You're being silly. The theory of real closed fields has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It's an extremely restrictive theory that fails to capture even the simplest concepts about real numbers. What you said is as stupid as using consistency of PA to justify the theory of infinite sets of naturals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 21:39:01 No.13468045 Report

Quoted By: >>13468056 >>13468191

>>13467955
It has a great deal to do with real numbers. Set theory was invented to make sense of analysis in the context of real numbers. Without the wish for reals to make sense there wouldnt be set theory, and hence no foundational crisis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 21:42:03 No.13468056 Report

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>>13465522
>>13468045
Everybody here thinks you're stupid. But I'm stupid too so I agree with you.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 21:45:48 No.13468068 Report

Quoted By: >>13468400

Sabine agrees with you in her latest video:
https://youtu.be/CTpp0EChDbI?t=142
> In reality, we only ever need a finite number of digits. All these numbers with infinitely many digits are called the real numbers. Which means, as it might sound, we don't know whether the real numbers are real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 22:19:23 No.13468191 Report

Quoted By: >>13468252

>>13468045
So your issue is really with formalized logic?

Incompleteness is a feature of theories like Peano arithmetic (or even weaker theories.) As was pointed out, this is far far more tamer than anything that postulates the Dedekind complete field

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 22:32:08 No.13468252 Report

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>>13468191
No. My issue is with the real numbers.

El Arcón

El Arcón Tue 03 Aug 2021 23:03:20 No.13468386 Report

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Fractional Distance: The Topology of the Real Number Line with Applications to the Riemann Hypothesis
https://vixra.org/abs/1906.0237
>Recent analysis has uncovered a broad swath of rarely considered real numbers called real numbers in the neighborhood of infinity. Here we extend the catalog of the rudimentary analytical properties of all real numbers by defining a set of fractional distance functions on the real number line and studying their behavior. The main results of are (1) to prove with modest axioms that some real numbers are greater than any natural number, (2) to develop a technique for taking a limit at infinity via the ordinary Cauchy definition reliant on the classical epsilon-delta formalism, and (3) to demonstrate an infinite number of non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function in the neighborhood of infinity. We define numbers in the neighborhood of infinity as Cartesian products of Cauchy equivalence classes of rationals. We axiomatize the arithmetic of such numbers, prove all the operations are well-defined, and then make comparisons to the similar axioms of a complete ordered field. After developing the many underling foundations, we present a basis for a topology.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Aug 2021 23:09:48 No.13468400 Report

Quoted By: >>13468803

>>13468068
>even a world-class theoretical physicist can't into platonic forms
Of course it's impossible to tell whether Reals exist in the physical universe, since it would be impossible to measure, that doesn't means that the ideals don't exist within an ideallic plane.
This is what happens when scientists aren't thaught philosophy of science.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:23:20 No.13468666 Report

Quoted By: >>13468677

>>13468040
You're not very bright, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:26:42 No.13468677 Report

Quoted By: >>13468695

>>13468666
>I have no argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:33:53 No.13468695 Report

Quoted By: >>13468702 >>13468711

>>13468677
I'm sorry I don't feel obligated to teach math to stupid people. Seriously, go back to the YouTube comment section.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:36:13 No.13468702 Report

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>>13468695
I suggest you look up what Tarski's theorem actually says before you namedrop it because you sound like an absolute dolt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:39:11 No.13468711 Report

Quoted By: >>13468729 >>13468750

>>13468695
Also look up what a first-order theory is. Actually, it's best if you just pick up a textbook on basic mathematical logic so you don't sound like an absolute idiot. There's simply too many topics you're confused about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:43:52 No.13468729 Report

Quoted By: >>13468734

>>13468711
>he thinks math is solely composed of logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:44:47 No.13468734 Report

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>>13468729
I actually think the opposite of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:48:26 No.13468750 Report

Quoted By: >>13468759

>>13468711
You're the only one confused here, my friend. I was actually starting to worry that I would have to educate you just to show your stupidity but after those two last posts, you've managed to do it yourself. Just go back to YouTube; it really is more your speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:50:28 No.13468759 Report

Quoted By: >>13468765

>>13468750
Ah, I understand now. You're just a retarded troll. Have a nice day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:51:35 No.13468765 Report

Quoted By: >>13468778

>>13468759
Thanks for going back where you belong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 00:55:32 No.13468778 Report

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>>13468765
Tell me when you pass high school exams :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 01:05:41 No.13468803 Report

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>>13468400
Numbers don't physically exist at all. They're rule-based constructs we developed to make references to abstract qualities about the physical world, just like a language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Aug 2021 05:59:00 No.13469694 Report

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>>13465514
Why would you do that?

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