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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 00:20:04 2021 No.13439551 View Reply Original Report

How many genders are there? what is sex (you know what I mean, no immature jokes)?
Is sex bimodal? What does that mean?
Who is correct? the chuds or the trannies?
Question for chuds: If the trannies have got it all wrong, then why is their side winning scientific consensus?
Question for trannies: If you're right, then how did people get it so wrong for so millennia?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:26:05 No.13439560 Report

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Gender does not exist, it is irrelevant.
We know what sex is, there are two sexes, male and female. The gametes you produce determine if you are male/female and your role in the sexual reproduction process.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:34:27 No.13439589 Report

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>>13439560
this

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:44:04 No.13439611 Report

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>>13439560
Then what's this whole bimodal rigmarole about?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:59:38 No.13439640 Report

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>>13439560
well there also DNA fuckeries such as XXX and XXY chromosomes

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:10:52 No.13439660 Report

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>>13439551

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:11:42 No.13439663 Report

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>>13439640
Male: Sperm to fertilize egg
Female: Eggs, make babies
Chromosomes are basically irrelevant

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:22:01 No.13439682 Report

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>>13439551
>then why is their side winning scientific consensus?
Its not, it has the support and complicity of the media.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:23:37 No.13439686 Report

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>>13439663
>Chromosomes are basically irrelevant
>/sci/

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:25:01 No.13439696 Report

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>>13439663
>Chromosomes are basically irrelevant

That's exactly the kind of thing somebody with irrelevant Chromosomes would say.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:36:52 No.13439733 Report

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>>13439611
It's just the humanities being the humanities. Coming up with mathematical models for a concept that is intentionally nebulous and has been maneuvered into a semantic grey area over the last decade is either the product of autism, self-affirmative coping, physics envy, or some combination of the 3.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:56:38 No.13439792 Report

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>>13439682
This, scientific integrity is DEAD.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:59:16 No.13439798 Report

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>>13439686
>>13439696
Nice arguments.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:01:07 No.13439801 Report

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>>13439551
>How many genders are there?
Hundred thousand.
>what is sex (you know what I mean, no immature jokes)?
Through some restriction libido is made to repress its flows in order to contain them in the narrow cells of the type "male", "female", "couple," "family,", "objects." The expression of libidinal investments is not limited to human gender roles. Sexuality is everywhere, like how a businessman causes money to circulate. What about the effects of money that grows, money that produces more money?
>Is sex bimodal?
No, it is molecular; making love is not just becoming as one, or even two, but becoming as a hundred thousand.
>What does that mean?
Bimodal would suggest a molar binary sexuality, where the genders can still be concentrated to male and female.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:03:22 No.13439809 Report

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>>13439551
Two

??? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ???????

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:07:45 No.13439818 Report

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>>13439560
>Gender does not exist, it is irrelevant.
The men who say this are always the ones most obsessed with gender, i.e., tough guys acting hypermasculine when they're average or even fem.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:08:07 No.13439819 Report

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>>13439551
>How many genders are there?
2 as it is defined this way. Gender is usually defined by the male female social dynamic
>what is sex
My understanding is it just the type gametes you produce. There is only 2 gametes thus only 2 sexes.
> Is sex bimodal?
Unless a human can produce something between ovum or sperm no.
> Who is correct? the chuds or the trannies?
trannies and chuds. They are both on the same side actually.
we both think gender role, both chuds and trannies think behavior is highly biologically caused and not social. You can’t pray the trans. It’s how your brain was formed and works. trannies just have a the opposite gendered brain that doesn’t match their body for whatever reason if it’s hormones in the womb or something else. IE gender dysphoria.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:10:30 No.13439826 Report

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>>13439551
Both the chuds and the trannies are wrong.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:15:25 No.13439838 Report

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>>13439798
the context is humans.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:24:13 No.13439860 Report

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>>13439551
>How many genders are there?
2 meaningfully defined genders
>what is sex?
the genetic distinction between humans who are equipped to produce sperm and those equipped to produce ova.
>Is sex bimodal?
yes, but not in the statistical sense. there is no continuoum of sexes between male and female.
assuming you meant:
>is gender bimodal?
yes, in the statistical sense. there are dozens of factors that distinguish men from women. if we create a higher dimensional latent space in which these individual gender dimensions are combined, then it is clear that there are two very distinct clusters of gender. these two modes are almost exact in their prediction of sex. some people might express more femininity in some few traits, but almost none of them (statistically insignificant 1e-7) express a majority of wrong-sexed traits.
> Who is correct? the chuds or the trannies?
chuds are right in the intuitive sense.
trannies are academically right, but they use deception to redefine gender into arbitrarily rigid terms that no one outside of these narrow academic disciplines would believe. they are intuitively wrong.
> If the trannies have got it all wrong, then why is their side winning scientific consensus?
parasitism and predatory behaviour are extremely effective strategies. the scientific method employed by scientists ill equips them to handle viscous and manipulative people.
>What does that mean?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:13:43 No.13439942 Report

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>>13439551
sex
>male
>female
>in between is called malformation
gender
>hurr I can be whatever I want in my head and you MUST comply because I say so
>because of this there are an infinite number of genders, it's literally something in your head. Can you somewhat measure thoughts? Good luck with that
>therefore is irrelevant

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:23:36 No.13439959 Report

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>>13439640
X-silencing results in males or females (i don't even know if real hermaphrodism exists, but i'm dumb).
It's a shitty process tho, so chromosomal fuckery results in weird diseases like turner's

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:31:23 No.13439968 Report

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>>13439640
Yes, because infertile genetically diseased individuals are part of the reproductive process.

These individuals are free to identify however they wish. But to bring them up when chromosomally abnormal trannies are a minute minority of the trans movement, is disingenuous.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:39:32 No.13439981 Report

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>>13439640
Yeah, it's called a literal genetic defect. If they're sterile and produce neither gamete, then by definition they are NEITHER male nor female.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:53:43 No.13439996 Report

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>>13439860
>>what is sex?
>the genetic distinction between humans who are equipped to produce sperm and those equipped to produce ova.
Pseud detected. Sex is defined independent of humans and is evident in sexually dimorphic animals, which exists in nearly all multicellular lifeforms. Fucking dipshit, sex has nothing to do with humans.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:57:52 No.13440009 Report

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>>13439640
>XXX
normal functional female
>XXY
sterile male with Klinefelter syndrome
>XYY
normal (but slightly taller) male with Jacob's syndrome
>single X
sterile female with Turner syndrome
These aren't "new genders" or any shit like that, they're either male or female as determined by the presence or absence of Y chromosomes.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 04:13:39 No.13440039 Report

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>>13439551
>How many genders are there?
How many colors are there?
Zero. It’s not a real thing, just a concept, like colors. Some people say there are infinite colors because they have poor reasoning skills and don’t understand spooks.
>what is sex (you know what I mean, no immature jokes)?
Chromosomes, XX/XY.
>Is sex bimodal? What does that mean?
No, it’s binary.
>Who is correct? the chuds or the trannies?
Both/neither. Gender isn’t real, but severely hormonally/physiologically gay people should be allowed to masquerade as the opposite sex, including legally, for their own dignity and peace.
Heterosexuals should not be allowed to transition legally because they do not have the physiology for it, and having someone legally transition that won’t pass is demented.
>Question for chuds: If the trannies have got it all wrong, then why is their side winning scientific consensus?
Not sure if I qualify as a chud, but because the research is funded by pharmaceutical and medical companies.
>Question for trannies: If you're right, then how did people get it so wrong for so millennia?
They didn’t. Some cultures had some concept of turbogay people being another “gender”, and in the ones that didn’t turbogay people either repressed or just started masquerading as the opposite sex and people either didn’t pick up on it or knew and didn’t say anything. It’s like how we only know about the methods and psychology of bad/dumb serial killers because they’re the ones that get caught.
t. “FtM” I guess.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 04:28:48 No.13440082 Report

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>>13439560
Sex is binary, aside from (perhaps) some unusual human beings like intersex people. See XY and XX, ovaries and testes. Gender roles are society expectations based on sex, and are entirely manufactured.
>kilts
>heels
>Boudicca and Mongol Queens
>matriarchal societies
>robes

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 04:37:56 No.13440106 Report

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>>13439686
>>13439696
No he's right. In many species the chromosomes are wildly different than in humans (male butterflies are ZZ, females are ZW). The only consistent definition for male/female across plants/animals is boys make sperm, girls make eggs.
And don't even get me started on fungi.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:02:13 No.13440877 Report

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>>13439996
see >>13439838

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:09:47 No.13440893 Report

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>>13440082
>Gender roles are society expectations based on sex, and are entirely manufactured.
don't be ridiculous. fashion is an entirely fabricated human concept, but gender has overlaps that extend across cultures, across time, across physiological development of humans, and even to near human primate relatives.
saying "gender isn't real because i can buy girl's shoes" outs you as a retard or a liar.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:12:10 No.13440901 Report

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>>13440893
High heels were originally invented for men.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:12:23 No.13440902 Report

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>>13439551
There are 3 sexes, Male, Female, Herm. There are three genders that exist on a spectrum, masculine, feminine, amdrogyne. I myself mostly identify with the masculine, but sometimes I like getting pegged.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:13:24 No.13440905 Report

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>>13440893
>>13440901
Sorry I misread what was written, ignore

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:17:53 No.13440924 Report

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>>13439551
Have sex

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:28:06 No.13440960 Report

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>>13439551
"Gender theory" or whatever it is is obviously not scientific and I think everybody knows this. People involved in science are subject to social and political whims so don't take it too seriously

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:46:12 No.13441010 Report

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>>13439551
> how many genders
nbs all describe their genders differently so in my mind it makes the most sense to think of it as man, woman, and anything else. the interesting thing is that I feel like most people don’t have a strong connection to “gender” and it’s only when people have strong feelings that conflict with their born sex/social role that they may conclude they are trans and decide to transition
> what is sex
Sex is the descriptor of your physical body, chromosomes, genitalia, reproductive system. Chromosomes can’t be changed but your hormone profile, physiology, and external primary/secondary sex characteristics can
> is sex bimodal
yes, the vast majority of people are typical male or female (medical transition aside) but a minority of people have disorders of sex development and are intersex. and even “regular” men and women differ in levels of physical male and female features
> question for trannies
a lot of cultures have/had different third-gender roles that could apply to people who today in the west we might consider to be gay/trans/gender nonconforming or whatever. Many agricultural early civilizations deemed it most convenient to not only sort people by sex, but also socially/legally enforce conformity. And then that culture/mindset took over large parts of the world with christianity and islam.
Also, for millennia, in different cultures, being gay and being trans weren’t seen as separate things or even as distinct “identities,” it was more like “oh this person wants to dress in women’s clothes and live like a woman” or “oh this man sometimes has sex with other men.”
With the rise of psychology as a science you had drs trying to pathologize and categorize people as homosexual or transsexual, and you also had doctors who said “hmm if someone wants to change aspects of their sex we now have the technology to help them do that” leading to today’s understanding of it all

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:53:12 No.13441022 Report

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>>13441010
>Also, for millennia, in different cultures, being gay and being trans weren’t seen as separate things or even as distinct “identities,” it was more like “oh this person wants to dress in women’s clothes and live like a woman” or “oh this man sometimes has sex with other men.”
how do you know this?
this also contradicts in implication.
> a lot of cultures have/had different third-gender roles that could apply to people who today in the west we might consider to be gay/trans/gender nonconforming or whatever

i don't like the use of words like "a lot" or "many" or other vague descriptors of amount in academic contexts. it just muddies the water by making an implicit appeal to popularity or declaring a norm, but without even having the decency to declare how many people thought a way.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:53:49 No.13441025 Report

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>>13441010
(replying to my own post) “gender” as a concept is nebulous and I would say more socially constructed than scientific. I think a lot of people are trans because of hormones affecting brain development, and that could be a scientific way of saying that. but gender just emerged as a concept after that because we haven’t invented like, a transsexual brain scan test or anything. also people who don’t conform to gender roles typically just do what they want.

I don’t think there’s a hard and fast line you can draw between, say, butch lesbians and trans men. Because a lot of butch lesbians have dysphoria and some even take hormones or get top surgery. But ultimately they choose to identify with this specific subculture of women and reject the idea of trying to conform to manhood. You could say that a lot of drag queens are “gender fluid” and some even describe themselves as such. Ultimately, shit’s subjective and I don’t think it makes sense to view it all scientifically.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:55:36 No.13441029 Report

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>>13441022
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:59:57 No.13441033 Report

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Gender dysphoria is a sad thing and I genuinely empathize with people who suffer from it. But it doesn't matter.
The genetic modification of the extremely sexually dimorphic and superior amazon female small male master race is inevitable. There is no place for transgenderism in the master race.
I'm sorry trans folk but you were born into an era where I exist.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:07:37 No.13441049 Report

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>>13441033
I would gladly give my life to realize the Amazon dream

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:14:12 No.13441063 Report

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>>13439818
You have the brain of a high schooler man

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:21:32 No.13441075 Report

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>>13441049
Thankfully no one has to give their life but thank you for believing in the vision!

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:34:43 No.13441104 Report

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>>13439560
Absolutely this, everything else is pseudo science.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:38:18 No.13441109 Report

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>>13439682
I remember seeing a tranny quoting some mathematician that agreed that trannies were actual women saying "you see? Science is not on your side." And I'm glad I don't have to explain the stupidity of that statement here.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:38:37 No.13441110 Report

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>>13439560
>Gender does not exist, it is irrelevant.
>Socioeconomic status doesn't exist
>Race doesn't exist
Sure they're all social construct but to say they don't exist is a bit limiting. Your place on the social hierarchy is a construct, but it does affect your life in numerous ways. Say goes for race.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:41:18 No.13441117 Report

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>>13439551
>then why is their side winning scientific consensus?
The humanities are for the most part unscientific, they're mostly ideologies instead of fields of study. Look at "critical race theory", which is basically finding excuses for normal everyday stuff to be racist. And you know what? They might have a point, but it's just as easy to argue the opposite of everything they say.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:45:55 No.13441134 Report

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>>13439551
A few notes...

1. About real numbers... as one of my side gigs, I do analytics on voter records. Of the 115k voters in my database, 14 self-identify as "other" under gender.

2. This conversion comes from trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It's not that there aren't enough genders to represent everyone, but that errors in social prototyping thousand of years ago create consequences now.

See attached graphic for an explanation of the primary errors of modern gender theory

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:46:13 No.13441135 Report

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>>13439551
Allow me to correct a bunch of this.

Both pictures show bimodal distributions, the presence or lack of overlap doesn't determine whether the category is binary or not. If "gender" were binary, the two lobes on the bottom graph would be Dirac deltas, not smooth distributions.

If "gender" means anything besides being an old and outdated politically correct euphemism for biological sex, it's a descriptor of what you 'do' versus sex which is a descriptor of what you 'are'. Even if you grant this distinction (which there's no real reason to), Gender is biologically informed by your sex through the Darwinian selection processes - "gender roles" propagated across tens of thousands of years of evolutionary history because there is superior survival value to it.

Sex, again whether you see gender as distinct and not a subset of it - or not - is also bimodal. There are two modes of sex in nature that are so common that the first approximation to the correct description is a sexual binary. The binary description is not "wrong" as much as it's (very slightly) incomplete. Fuzzy-ing the boundaries of those categories by recognizing the (very rare) minutia of people born with extra chromosomes and insensitivities to one hormone or another is useful in medicine and biology and offers the more complete picture at the cost of being more pedantic. By analogy, Newtonian gravity correctly describes most of the solar system and all of the interactions we observe on Earth, you need Einstein to handle Mercury but the extra scaffolding needed for relativity is unnecessary most terrestrial applications.

With this framework in mind, lets look at your questions (next post):

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:47:12 No.13441140 Report

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>>13441110
Race is different because it also exist in animals, it's not a social construct, it's biology, there's hard definitions for it and they don't vary from culture to culture or mindset of the people.
When you say socioeconomic status you actually mean the number you see on your paycheck, just like when you say gender you actually mean sex.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 14:01:19 No.13441166 Report

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>>13441135
>Question for chuds: If the trannies have got it all wrong, then why is their side winning scientific consensus?

They are not winning the scientific consensus, they are wielding majority academic power media power and are using this to tyrannize departments of medicine, psychology, and biology. A junta of arts, humanities, women's/gender/racial studies departments get on committees, infiltrate upper echelons of admin and are involved in hiring. They are trying to astroturf a scientific consensus without actually doing any science - what cyber security people might call a "side channel attack". Case and point, why try to convince all clinical psychologists when you can just target the DSM and threaten those who don't comply to the "new science" with legal action?

>Question for trannies: If you're right, then how did people get it so wrong for so millennia?
It's worth pointing out that some trannies aren't wrong. They correctly identify there is a bimodal distribution and feel a dissonance from where they are on that distribution. Hence "trans" as in "transit from one side to the other" and "cis" as in "stay on one side". The ones who are hopelessly wrong but also the loudest and most diabolical are the Queer/Enby gender abolitionist types. These people are just plain wrong, and intentionally so as to bring down the concept as a whole.

tldr:
chuds are mostly right
a tiny minority of trannies are also right
genderqueer / enbys deserve the rope

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:30:38 No.13442173 Report

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>>13439551
Theres is the Bilogical sexes of Female and Male.
Everything else are sexual preferences. Imagine beeing a low confidence faggot who makes it his lives purpose to teach everyone about his sexual preferences kek.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:31:57 No.13442179 Report

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>>13439560
/thread

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:33:34 No.13442184 Report

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>>13441110

race exists in all animals with big populations spread around the world, be it humans, bears or wolves

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:39:26 No.13442198 Report

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>>13439660
wrong shape, we already know that the distribution of ages that men are attracted to has a single mode around 13, a short tail to the left, and a long tail to the right.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:53:36 No.13442238 Report

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>>13439551
If I measure some sort of spectrum and two of my peaks overlap, does that mean that there are suddenly more than two peaks?
Hint: It doesn't.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:54:53 No.13442243 Report

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>>13439551
>How many genders are there?
5.23

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 20:00:36 No.13442266 Report

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 22:54:32 No.13442774 Report

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>>13441109
That kind of faux-reasoning is very popular among redditors, I've noticed.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 23:43:05 No.13442901 Report

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>>13441109
Hitler said jews are bad, see? Vegetarians are right

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:43:58 No.13443031 Report

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>>13439733
This
Humanities attempts at creating "scientific" concepts is what has ruined academia.

That and their graduates thirst for justifying meme jobs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:46:50 No.13443040 Report

Quoted By: >>13443080 >>13446686 >>13448598

>>13439818
Gender exists most definitely.
It can never negate certain empirical physiological realities of Sex though

Westerners really struggle with this duality of gender and sex.
Your sex is relevant but cannot change.
Your gender between masculine and feminine can change across a very unique spectrum but can never replace the efficacy of sex itself.

Hence the absurdity of concepts of gender being literally foisted onto sex segregated sports

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:04:56 No.13443080 Report

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>>13443040
Solution: delete gender from all common uses and replace with sex, whicj everyome thought they were talking about anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:25:49 No.13443131 Report

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>>13443080
i refuse to make any compromise in this ridiculous language game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:32:36 No.13443149 Report

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>>13439560
>only I get to define words
No you don't.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:53:40 No.13443187 Report

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>>13439551
Isn't it hilarious that there's not even a Y axis and they probably didn't even think of what it was?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:55:25 No.13443190 Report

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Riley Denis also defines a new concept called "gender expression", which basically means personality but somehow it needs to word gender there.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:59:38 No.13443199 Report

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>>13443187
Frequency. Spectrum implies frequency.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 02:10:20 No.13443228 Report

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>>13441135
>Both pictures show bimodal distributions, the presence or lack of overlap doesn't determine whether the category is binary or not. If "gender" were binary, the two lobes on the bottom graph would be Dirac deltas, not smooth distributions.
Fucking thank you. Also is this picture trying to say that no one is actually 100% female or 100% male and that we all exist in some middle ground, and that there's like a continuous of subgenders under the categories of male and female?

Happy days

Happy days Wed 28 Jul 2021 04:13:08 No.13443516 Report

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No only two genders cuting off a penis or leg adding drugs will not alter dna thinking your a tree sex in the pool dos not make you a fish. Now to the facts changing or altering the definition of gender from a mal and a female to all of the above gay lesbians LGBT fish is a shallow politacal agenda to justify an unhealthy life style
I'm not a gambler I'm a gamer I'm not an alcoholic I'm a 20 shot a day social drinker . gays lesbians LGBT fact is no one says I hope my kids don't have kids or my student is a alcoholic and when I get to old my kids kill me so I'm not a burden on retirement system. This more then one gender system is selfish anti family anti community unhealthy fore the individual a shorter life span the consequences involve depression sexually transmitted std's. Now what are the benefits of more than 2 genders non at all. Now if multi genders are normal why do thay advertise like smoking or drug dealers if your born this way can't help it why advertise its an agenda thing Wright now canser is normal birth defects normal shit happens why fix it pregnant to expensive Wright now we get to the truth of it self I want won't Chang selfish kiss my ads I'm mad you won't except my drunk driving or my tossing my trash out my car window I have a nice care by the day. Stop making excuses this your a hater I'm misunderstood you don't understand bullshit is the equivalent of saying it's ok to drink and drive you can't help it or murder is part of life no need fore jails. My the way why not talk about community service the family geting an education this gender shit is a distraction from education work famly friends now .

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 04:23:06 No.13443544 Report

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>>13439640
That is literally irrelevant to what he is talking about. He is talking about gametes.
You should know what that means before responding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 04:59:26 No.13443639 Report

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>>13439551
Two sexes and gender doesn't exist

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 06:07:17 No.13443754 Report

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>>13443190
Back when I was a kid we were allowed to have a personality that didn't conform to societal gender stereotypes without castrating ourselves and dressing like an anime girl.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 06:26:00 No.13443779 Report

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>sex/gender problems in diocious species
pathetic

t. monoecious gang

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 06:26:28 No.13443780 Report

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>>13443516
>thinking your a tree sex in the pool dos not make you a fish
What the fuck
>I'm a 20 shot a day social drinker
Oh never mind I understand completely.
>>13440039
Correct

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 06:28:42 No.13443788 Report

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You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature's perfection.

All the "validation" you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your "friends" laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who "pass" look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he'll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it's going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it'll be too much to bear - you"ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 06:46:54 No.13443823 Report

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>>13441117
> must always "do something" about a situation
what else am I going to do, complain?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 07:06:39 No.13443867 Report

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>>13443823
Your white supremacy makes you view problems as things to be solved, instead of opportunities to complain and acquire victimhood.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 13:50:00 No.13444669 Report

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>>13443228
>that we all exist in some middle ground
Be very careful here, this conclusion is essentially an extension of the "I either win the lottery or I lose the lottery, 50-50 odds" fallacy.

The goal of queer theory is indeed to say "because there are things in between male/female or man/woman therefore there are no men, women, or anything in between". In other words, they would like to say that because the distribution is not binary (two delta functions) it must therefore be uniform and therefore irrelevant.

By contrast, both of the graphs in the OP do suggest that there are people who are 100% typical male/man or female/woman and that these types are the most common (i.e.: modes).

If these graphs are using gender as a euphemism for sex, then the top graph is mostly correct except for where it says "Other Genders [sexes] Exist", this is stupid. The term intersexed can't even exist without two things to be placed inbetween, so intersexed can't itself be a gender[sex]. The graph also totally overestimates the overlap.

Ironically, if the graphs mean gender distinct from sex, the meaning of the "gender spectrum" axis is totally nebulous unless you presuppose biologically essential male and female traits and map each persons particular behavior on that axis until the bimodal distribution emerges and the two modes "women" and "men" appear. In other words, how could one define the meaning of "gender spectrum" without using the words "women" or "men" (this would be circular reasoning since the men and women modes are emergent properties of the gender spectrum) *and* without using the words "male" and "female" (this would be biological essentialism)?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 14:01:20 No.13444696 Report

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>>13439551
Seems like a spectrum to me. I think if it in general terms as female, androgynous and male traits. Making up other genders is where I become incredulous.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 14:10:08 No.13444708 Report

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>>13439551
> How many genders are there?

biologically 2,

> how dare you
ok, 3 then .

> Man
> Women
> The "genetic dead end delusional rope up" gender / also known as eunuchs, not women, not men either.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 19:27:20 No.13445710 Report

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>>13441110
Socioeconomic status and race exist, but not gender, the difference stems from the fact that gender is meaningless.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 20:46:32 No.13446008 Report

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>>13439551
Here's the answer. I hope this explains everything.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 20:48:43 No.13446017 Report

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>>13439551
>How many genders are there?
if you adopt/accept trannie language, gender is a social construct. This means the concept of "woman" is whatever the (local) surrounding society thinks "a woman" should be. Hence a woman in a western urbanized enviroment has a different gender than a woman in a fundamentalist islamic society, as those two societies demand different social norms, expectations, and customs from their respective "woman" to behave "womanly". According to this, there is an infinite amount of possible genders, because there is an infinite amount of possible expectations of what a "woman" is.
>what is sex
>Is sex bimodal?
Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. This means humans can be classified into two distinct categories of male (XY) and female (XX), the sexual characteristics of humans are determined by their genes. Genetic mutations that occur in a very small percentage of humans (e.g. XXX or XXY) do not constitute a "continuous spectrum" between the distinct categories "male" and "female".

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 20:50:01 No.13446022 Report

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>>13439801
based and deleuzepilled

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 20:51:16 No.13446030 Report

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>>13446017
>Genetic mutations that occur in a very small percentage of humans (e.g. XXX or XXY) do not constitute a "continuous spectrum" between the distinct categories "male" and "female".
Why not?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 20:57:45 No.13446053 Report

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>>13439663
>Chromosomes are basically irrelevant
This man's got an extra one.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 21:00:46 No.13446066 Report

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>>13446030
because you cant make a continuous graph with just a limited few distinct values.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 21:04:53 No.13446084 Report

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>>13446066
ok wow, bigot much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 21:17:49 No.13446134 Report

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>>13439551
We used to put people like that into mental institutions. Now, you’re given pills to manage your mental state. Just a question... how does one “measure” a mental state? think about it for a few mins to see the truth.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 21:20:20 No.13446140 Report

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>>13439551
Only 1 sex. People claiming to be women are just looking for attention

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 21:21:11 No.13446142 Report

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>>13446084
>ok wow, bigot much?
thanks for the compliment, but flattery wont help you turn into a "real woman" (read: female) either.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 23:27:06 No.13446515 Report

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>>13439686
Yea, the religious only want two genders to carry on with being wrong about everything.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 00:23:13 No.13446686 Report

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>>13443040
When most people say gender they are using it as a synonym for sex (to use a more polite word). You don't. That's why you find it confusing. Also, it is obvious you cannot separate social from biological because the social runs on the biological.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 00:31:04 No.13446710 Report

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Gender is a meme, humans are not special.
Chromosomal aberrations do happen, but at such a low rate that they're statistically insignificant.

Stop watching porn, you will never be a woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 00:38:59 No.13446731 Report

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>>13440082
>matriarchal societies
Do not exist and never have. At least not in the way you're thinking. In such a society women still have female roles but the application and status of them is different. Men even still have the primary political role but the women have special advisory positions. Although this is not necessarily distinct from other societies as it's not like women didn't advise their men and participate through them anyway, just not in an official role. Generally these societies are very primitive agricultural ones. There are no other examples outside of made up coomer shit.

>>Boudicca and Mongol Queens
Women assuming aspects of male roles (note: not warriors themselves) out of a quirk of inherited status. Not ideal, not something they wanted to do or were particularly fit to do. It happens when there are no eligible males but the family still has power and a role to fill. This also applies at the normal family level, rather than a role with power over other families. It's basically that men die too much so you need the women in your family to cover some otherwise male obligations. Most societies have some leeway for women assuming male aspects because of the potential problems from inflexibility. Women are more than half of the population most of the time so it happens.

The rest is just random, meaningless fashion. Pants are relatively rare in the world's cultures but never, until the 19th century and popularised in the 20th (in western countries), used by women except explicitly dressing as men, in a male role (unlike today where pants are no longer gendered). Even without pants, there is always clearly gendered clothing. To an outsider these may appear conflated but that is just your prejudice and ignorance. They are as clearly differentiated as pants vs dress were historically for Northern/Western Europeans.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 00:46:34 No.13446755 Report

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>>13446731
>just not in an official role
note: a common special role cross-culturally is female diviners. their role is certainly official and taken very seriously. although this is no exclusive to women, the female version can be a bit different in role.

>The first known Greek writer to mention a sibyl is Heraclitus, in the 5th century BC:
>The Sibyl, with frenzied mouth uttering things not to be laughed at, unadorned and unperfumed, yet reaches to a thousand years with her voice by aid of the god.'[

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 01:14:48 No.13446845 Report

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>>13439560
i honestly think it's as simple as people confusing the words and this whole shitfest is just lingual shit flinging, imo the definitions should be reversed. 'sex' like 'sexuality' which most can agree is a spectrum, gender = unique word describing your real biology (XX / XY)

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 02:01:04 No.13446946 Report

Quoted By: >>13446947 >>13446963

>>13446845
>>13439560
would it be gay to fuck an XY "woman" aka Swyer Syndrome? they are XY but lack male genitals, and instead live as infertile women due to deformed ovaries. full vag and and fallopian tubes apparently.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 02:02:10 No.13446947 Report

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>>13446946
The correct answer is "who gives a fuck, fuck who you want"

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 02:09:20 No.13446963 Report

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>>13446946
No

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 02:12:01 No.13446971 Report

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>>13441110
>Sure they're all social construct but to say they don't exist is a bit limiting.

Not really, I don't agree that gender doesn't exist, it's just a synonym for sex. Everything else you need to covered by the terms gender identity and gender roles, which were never considered to be gender itself until adults left the room

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 07:47:43 No.13447793 Report

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hermaphrodite: that is all that I have to say. Nature produces people who both have a vegina and a dick. Just like albino's these people are extremely rare. With albino's it's 1 in a million idk the number for people with both sexes.

Unfortunately most doctors remove 1 of the 2 genatelia when the baby is born, just like they are now adding veginas to people with a dick. So we humans are fucking up the model on all sides but nature helps a tiny bit as well.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 07:53:25 No.13447810 Report

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>>13439551
I would go with this definition
Male: Has testicles somewhere (you can check by DNA analysis)
Female: Has ovaries somewhere and possibly an uterus (you can check by DNA analysis)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 08:18:10 No.13447856 Report

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>>13439560
This, outside of anglospeak there isnt even word for it in most languages

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 14:10:09 No.13448598 Report

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>>13443040
Finally someone who fucking gets it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 14:15:06 No.13448616 Report

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>>13441117
This picture is (mostly) correct though. Those are deep-rooted cultural values of most of the western world. And they're pretty damn good values too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 18:04:12 No.13449369 Report

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>>13448598
gender isn't real, it lives entirely in your head. the gender bullshit isn't even a coherent narrative for trannies either since they insist that they are changing their sex, not their gender. gender people are the pure schizos who say things like "i'm non binary" as though that actually means anything.

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