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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 19:12:24 2021 No.13420545 View Reply Original Report

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Proof that Bob Lazar was right: he described how the UFO rotates which you can see in the Navy vid itself

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:30:07 No.13420599 Report

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Proof that Bob Lazar was WRONG. I will DESTROY Lazar and his gay little UFO fangirls once and for all ITT.
GET REKT BITCH.
>- On the movement of flying saucers: people claim that Lazar "predicted" how the "Gimbal" UFO moved. Wrong. Here's a quote from the 1950s by famous engineer Hermann Oberth (a believer in the extraterrestrial hypothesis for flying saucers): “The disks always fly in a manner as if the drive is acting perpendicular to the plane of the disk; when they are suspended over a certain terrain they keep horizontal; when they want to fly very quick, they tilt (tip) and fly with the plane directed forward.”
>Various other such quotes and accounts can be found in other reports and in TV specials and documentaries pre-dating Lazar’s story that mention craft tilting on their side:
>- This is from the 1980 TV special "UFO syndrome" (https://youtu.be/BUFXtiVp3wk?t=1137 is the time stamp but the video isn't available
The narrator says: “The saucer flipped on its edge, the lower half rotating.”
>- From the 1975 UFO TV special "The outer space connection" (see more on this documentary below): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9LZorCOEY&t=1528s A purported craft is shown tilted on its side.
>- In the 1966 Westall UFO incident in Australia, some of the children described the saucer as moving perpendicular to the ground.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:30:40 No.13420600 Report

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Get REKT UFO faggot.
>- In the McMinnville UFO incident from 1950, witness Evelynn Trent described seeing a UFO tip on its side and then fly off vertically.” But there's a further problem: are Lazar's supporters saying that flying saucers only started moving that way decades AFTER he came out with his story?
>But hang on: he also alludes to "archaeological digs" and “altering of our DNA”, which means that the aliens have been coming here for millennia. Yet they've only started maneuvering their craft in the way described by Lazar AFTER he described them as moving in this way? Why on earth would they do that?
>So either he obtained such accounts from stories that were already around at the time he came out with his own (which means that he didn’t “predict” that they move that way since such accounts are not original to his story), or the aliens decided to only tilt their craft after he gave his account (which would be stupid).

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:31:47 No.13420603 Report

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FRAUDZAR FAGS BTFO
>- The "explosion from cutting into an alien reactor” story: copied from actual incidents in 1945 & 1946 known as the "Demon Core incidents" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core), in which technicians were manipulating a plutonium core of an atomic bomb and one of them died a few days later from the radiation exposure due to the core being breached.
>This incident led to the creation of a proper system of safety protocols for dealing with nuclear materials and is well known to anyone interested in nuclear weapons and technology. Incidentally, the Demon Core incidents occurred at Los Alamos, where Lazar worked as a technician.
>Even the semi-spherical look of the alien reactor in Lazar’s story is reminiscent of the plutonium core from that story, though it could also have been inspired by the under-side protuberances of the George Adamski scout craft saucer (mentioned below).

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:32:55 No.13420607 Report

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1. Element 115 claims DEBOOOOONKED.
>- On element 115 ("Moscovium" or "ununpentium"): -- Lazar did not discover it, nor (contrary to the beliefs of many Lazar enthusiasts) was he the first to talk about it: it was already being discussed in the scientific literature WELL BEFORE he came out with his story (see extensive scientific references below for references dating back to 1973 onwards)
>-- The things he's said about it have NOT been confirmed by science. Quite the opposite, actually. He claimed it was a stable element (his exact words from an early interview: "Element 115 is a stable element" and “Element 115 is a strictly alien element”). All the isotopes that have so far been synthesized of it are highly unstable, with half-lives in the hundreds of milliseconds. >-- How does the synthesis of unstable isotopes in a lab on Earth in 2003 somehow validate his story if he claims that he dealt with stable isotopes acquired from the supernova remnants of stars?
>-- No spectrographic analyses of supernovae reveal any hint of element 115. -- He played no role whatsoever in the synthesis of 115 in 2003. He has refused, for over 30 years, to stand in front of a scientific committee or even a qualified scientist to discuss his supposed knowledge about it, even though his contribution - if genuine - could have earned him a Nobel Prize in Chemistry and thereby validated and further publicized his story to the very scientific community whose interests he claims to represent.
>-- He has provided no evidence at all that he ever worked with any variant of element 115. He claims that he can’t even remember whether he saw a spectrograph of it at “S4”. He has presented no physical samples, despite hinting that he smuggled some of it out of “S4”. --

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:33:42 No.13420611 Report

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2. Element 115 claims DEBOOOOONKED.
>“Predicting” an element is as easy as looking at a periodic table, noting which element currently has the highest atomic number on the table, and then adding a few spaces to it. Watch: I predict that someday, element 120 will be synthesized. Does that make me a physicist? I sure hope not, or the world of science is in big trouble!
>-- Many other people were predicting that it would eventually be synthesized (a sensible supposition given that throughout the 20th century, various elements that are not known to naturally occur had been synthesized. Between 1994 and 2003, seven elements other than 115 were produced in labs around the world, highlighting that this is part of a pattern of discovery in which these sorts of milestones are to be expected. In other words, element 115 was bound to be synthesized sooner or later).
>-- Lazar's story demonstrates no special knowledge on his part about 115, in other words. His story contributes no scientific knowledge whatsoever to physics or chemistry.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:34:47 No.13420614 Report

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:35:12 No.13420617 Report

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List of papers predicting element 115 DECADES before Fraudzar made up his LIES.
>Here's one from 1973 mentioning it multiple times: Seaborg, G. (1973). STATUS REPORT ON THE TRANSURANIUM ELEMENTS. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. https://cloudfront.escholarship.org/dist/prd/content/qt0291s82q/qt0291s82q.pdf Permalink: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/0291s82q
>Here's one from 1974 *specifically* dealing with element 115: Predicted properties of the superheavy elements. III. Element 115, Eka-bismuth O. L. Keller Jr., C. W. Nestor Jr., and Burkhard Fricke The Journal of Physical Chemistry 1974, 78(19), pp.1945-1949 DOI: 10.1021/j100612a015 https://kobra.uni-kassel.de/bitstream/handle/123456789/2008102224700/Fricke_properties_1974.pdf
>Here's one from 1975 with a section devoted to element 115: Fricke B. (1975) Superheavy elements - a prediction of their chemical and physical properties. In: Recent Impact of Physics on Inorganic Chemistry. Structure and Bonding, vol 21. Springer, Berlin, Heidelberg DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/BFb0116498 https://kobra.uni-kassel.de/bitstream/handle/123456789/2008081223193/Fricke_superheavy_1975.pdf >Here's an article from 1976 discussing element 115 (among other elements): Fricke, B. & McMinn, J. Chemical and physical properties of superheavy elements Naturwissenschaften (1976) 63: 162. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00624214 https://kobra.uni-kassel.de/bitstream/handle/123456789/2008071622799/Fricke_chemical_1976.pdf
>One from 1978 mentioning it: Seaborg, G. (1978). SUPERHEAVY ELEMENTS - A CROSSROADS. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. LBNL Report #: LBL-7761. Permalink: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6hg0t2d4 https://escholarship.org/content/qt6hg0t2d4/qt6hg0t2d4.pdf

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:36:23 No.13420623 Report

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Hand Scanner DEBOOOONKED.
>The hand-scanner: many of his fans point to the hand-scanner that Lazar talks about that, to them, "proves he worked at S4". Unfortunately, this device was already publicly available knowledge by the early 1970s.
>It appears in electronics catalogs of the time, such as this July 1973 issue of Radio-Electronics: http://www.qrzcq.com/mirrors/www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Electronics/70s/1973/Radio-Electronics-1973-07.pdf
>A discussion of the IDENTimat hand-scanner is on the 8th page of the file, along with a photo of it. The device also appeared in the 1977 film "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", a film which itself has several aspects that are suspiciously similar to Lazar’s story.
>Here's the reference of a report from the early 1970s about the scanner: Kibbler, G.O.T.H, Evaluation of the Identimat 2000 Hand Geometry Identifier, Mitre Corp., Oct., 1972 (if anyone has the original copy or a scan, please contact me)
>And here's a presentation by a biometrics expert at San Jose State University talking about the history of bio-scanners in the US, referencing the aforementioned report on slide 8 along with some of its findings (original link was at https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2016/11/30/wayman2_jim_modern_history_of_biometric_testing.pdf

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:37:14 No.13420625 Report

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MUH ZETA RETICULI
>- The reference to Zeta Reticuli: lifted straight from the Betty and Barney Hill case. That case has, by the way, been thoroughly discredited (as an actual encounter with extraterrestrials; this is not to dismiss the reality of their experience, whatever it might have been).
>The initial analysis by Marjorie Fish using the then-latest star distance catalog was rendered invalid due to updated star distance measurements, thereby negating the alignment of the Hill “star map” with Fish’s 3D model of a Milky Way star cluster.
>What are the odds that among the many millions of star systems in the Milky Way galaxy, that ZR just HAPPENS to be the one that turns out to have aliens after all, AFTER being discredited as the source of the Betty "aliens", and that this star system just HAPPENS to be the one that is already well known among alien abduction believers from a famous alien abduction case?
>Lazar says that he read about the ZR connection in a "briefing document" and that he can't personally vouch for the authenticity of the actual claims made in it. So, in other words, it's nonsense in any case, and an example of how Lazar hedges his claims against scrutiny by always adding in a caveat. Zeta Reticuli had by then become a staple of alien and UFO lore, getting a mention in the 1979 film “Alien” and in the 1988 TV special “UFO Cover-up? Live!” (mentioned further below)

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:38:29 No.13420631 Report

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Hey DeLonge et al. you can kindly fuck off back to the pentagon trying to astroturf your fake ufo bullshit here. Don't know how many disingenuous ufo shill threads I've seen the past weeks but it's too much.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 20:36:11 No.13420842 Report

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ONE PROOF I DON'T KNOW WHY
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IT'S JUST “GRAY GUY”
ETCHED IN THEIR MIND, CAUSE MANKIND IS SO BLIND
IT ISN'T SUBLIME

AYY L-MAO

“UFO” AN UNKNOWN FLYING THING
IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE REPULSION OR CLING
ACRONYM HIDES, KEEPS DISCUSSION AT BAY
DEEP STATE TRICKS, WHAT'S TO SAY?

PERHAPS LENS GLARE?

BETTER LOOK OUT, FED GLOW
SAY YOU'RE A PRO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNKNOWN
LYIN' TO HOLD ON, YET YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
COPY PASTED IT ALL JUST CONTINUE THE SHOW

THEY TAPPED EVERYTHING AND SPIED HOARDED INFO THAT THEY PRIED
WHILE YOU QUOTE DESCARTES
YOUR COMPLACENCY, LETTER AGENCY
CENSORED MEMORY OF A TIME WHEN

THEY LIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END IT'S STILL [REDACTED] MATTER
THEY EXPUNGE ALL INCREASE THE THRALL
BUT IN THE END IT'S STILL [REDACTED] MATTER

ONE PROOF, I DON'T KNOW WHY
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW YOU DESCRIBE
KEEP THAT IN MIND, YOU RESIGNED TO THIS BIND
AND CONSIGNED YOURSELF JUST TO

SLIDE SO HARD

IN SPITE OF THE WAY YOU JUST GAWK WITH GLEE
“X ELEMENT HAS SOME SPECIAL PROPERTY”
REMEMBERING ALL THE TIMES THAT YOU TALK AND PLEA
AND SURMISE IT'S

JUST BIZARRE

THINGS AREN'T THE WAY THEY WERE BEFORE
NO MORE TRUTH NO EXPERIMENTING ANYMORE
NOT THAT YOU EVER KNEW WHAT CAUSED THE ASCEND
HOW A MAGNET WORKS? HOW THAT “SPACE” CAN “BEND”?

THE KEPT EVERYTHING INSIDE AND EVEN THOUGH THEY LIED
YOU SQUALL LIKE A TART
WHAT IT MEANT TO ME NO POTENTIALITY
JUST MORE JEOPARDY FOR A TIME WHEN

THEY LIED SO HARD AND SET THE BAR
BUT IN THE END IT'S STILL [REDACTED] MATTER
THEY EXPUNGE ALL INCREASE THE THRALL
BUT IN THE END IT'S STILL [REDACTED] MATTER

I PUT NO TRUST IN YOU
SHUSHED THE FED HE STARTS TO GLOW
FOR ALL THIS
THERE'S ONLY ONE PROOF YOU COULD SHOW

I PUT NO TRUST IN YOU
SHUSHED THE FED HE STARTS TO GLOW
FOR ALL THIS
THERE'S ONLY ONE PROOF YOU COULD SHOW

THEY LIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END IT'S STILL [REDACTED] MATTER
THEY EXPUNGE ALL INCREASE THE THRALL
BUT IN THE END IT'S STILL [REDACTED] MATTER

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 03:53:18 No.13422099 Report

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>Making arguments based on moot starting points

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 14:24:20 No.13423310 Report

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I believe Bob Lazar, he doesn't look and talk like a liar. Some people you can just tell right away they are lying or not you know.

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 17:42:05 No.13423969 Report

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lmao this guy is literally a pimp that barely understands basic physics

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 17:57:14 No.13424007 Report

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>>13422099
Those are all of his main talkings points and what his fanboys defend

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