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Anonymous Sun 12 Sep 09:23:16 2021 No.13631531 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13639527 >>13642383

mRNA Vaccines

What does /sci/ think about them. What are the knowns vs. unknowns?

If /sci/ could pick between mRNA (Pfizer) or normal vaccines (AstraZeneca), what would they pick?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 11:05:48 No.13639418 Report

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>>13631883
lmao gottem

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 11:14:59 No.13639429 Report

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>>13637179
well since you're so fit, maybe run away? or punch them?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 11:23:39 No.13639447 Report

Quoted By: >>13639997

>>13636857
oh shit, does this matter for anything though? just read online

>Adenoviruses -- even as they occur in nature -- just do not have the capacity to alter DNA. Unlike retroviruses such as HIV or lentiviruses, wild-type adenoviruses do not carry the enzymatic machinery necessary for integration into the host cell's DNA. That's exactly what makes them good vaccine platforms for infectious diseases.

but arent adenoviruses used for gene therapy? to change DNA?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 12:01:04 No.13639527 Report

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>>13631531
>If /sci/ could pick between mRNA (Pfizer) or normal vaccines (AstraZeneca), what would they pick?
sci would pick novavax

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 12:07:35 No.13639543 Report

Quoted By: >>13642330 >>13647422

We're coming up on nearly a year of vaccine rollout and the mRNA vaccines are completely shitting on the "traditional" ones. AstraZeneca is widely regarded as the worst vaccine and has been the one with the most people bitching about side effects. The evidence is out and it's clear that the new tech is just better, I don't see why you retards keep trying to deny it. If the mRNA tech isn't good then why can't other vaccine technologies fucking deliver better results?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 12:29:44 No.13639577 Report

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>>13635640
pfizer

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 14:57:24 No.13639974 Report

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>>13636037
HIV mutates too fast. Same as the cold, and Covid.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 15:06:01 No.13639997 Report

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>>13639447
>change DNA
I don't understand why people are so afraid of this. In the unlikely case it does happen the body does what it usually does and gets rid of the fucked up cells.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:45:24 No.13640930 Report

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>>13639997
cancer begs to differ

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:47:04 No.13640938 Report

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>>13632228
>Not enough delays due to government bureaucracy means vaccine bad
Pro-tip: the actual phase two studies themselves aren't as long as the time where potential medicines sit at that step.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:48:44 No.13640943 Report

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>>13635625
Not something to worry about, anyone getting the vaccine never had a soul in the first place.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 22:30:11 No.13641490 Report

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>>13631538
and yet it's still under EUA, and the "FDA approved" version of pfizer is not available, because then they'd have to cancel the EUA for the non-pfizer vaccines. I wonder if financial incentives have anything to do with this?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:17:42 No.13641592 Report

Quoted By: >>13641971

I work for a national lab and by Nov. 15, they're making us all "attest that we've been fully vaccinated." Assuming I don't want to lose my clearance or be arrested for fraud by falsifying my attestation or getting a fake card, which vax should I get?
I can argue about the science with some of you, but it won't change either of our opinions, so I'm not going to bother. Ultimately, I do not want this substance in my body. If I get get a jab, what can I do to minimize the amount that gets injected? Squeeze it out? Take some sort of meds to flush my system? There's got to be something, right?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:32:53 No.13641623 Report

Quoted By: >>13642391

if i got pfizer how much do i have to worry about it changing my brain or my spiritual frequency?

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 00:28:51 No.13641755 Report

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>leftists trying to poison the well this fucking blatantly

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 02:11:21 No.13641965 Report

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If you are not in a high risk group, youre better off not taking the vaccine. The effectiveness at stopping infection is only like 50% and its reduction in severity of infections isn’t that amazing either. It’s just increasing likelihood of variants if everyone takes them (especially since even this effectiveness only seems to last at most 6 months). Repurposed, demonstrably safe drugs (such as invermectin which has been used globally for decades) and others can be used early on if you are infected.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 02:12:52 No.13641971 Report

Quoted By: >>13641988 >>13642026

>>13641592
Take the j&j if you absolutely must.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 02:14:19 No.13641975 Report

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>>13641490
The EUA is only for people under the age of 18. If youre an adult it is “fully approved.” Of course that doesn’t really mean all that much considering like 50% of the FDA budget comes from pharma corporations, so of course theyre going to pass things through

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 02:19:00 No.13641988 Report

Quoted By: >>13642026

>>13641971
And take anti coagulants if you do.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 02:30:48 No.13642026 Report

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>>13641971
>>13641988
Any OTC anti-coagulants or do I just need to find a Dr.?

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:33:42 No.13642330 Report

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>>13639543
>the mRNA vaccines are completely shitting on the "traditional" ones
>evidence is out and it's clear that the new tech is just better
they don't even know if an unprecedented 3rd "booster" shot in first 8 months is needed shut the absolute fuck up

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:55:03 No.13642372 Report

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>>13635625
no that was last week, next week is stomach ulcers, did you not get the updated calendar?

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 05:03:02 No.13642383 Report

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>>13631531
>AZ
>normal vaccine

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 05:08:42 No.13642391 Report

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>>13641623
less than you have to worry about worrying itself doing those things

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 05:09:04 No.13642392 Report

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Genuinely curious - can anybody link to a large-scale double-blinded clinical trial of an mrna vaccine? I haven't been able to find one after some searching. The 4-6 months before unblinding and only 44k participants does seem quite small if this technology has never been tested on a large scale before.
>>13636015
>data dating back 50-60 years on new vaccines (polio, yellow fever, influenza) have demonstrated that most side effects occurr within 6 weeks of the vaccines being administered.
Why should this be assumed for a different technology? Is there some good reason that I'm missing?

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 05:58:31 No.13642494 Report

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>>13636576
That reddit thread. Definitely not getting it. The OP basically saying she got brainwashed into it without knowing how severe the side effects can be. RIP

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 06:27:31 No.13642548 Report

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>>13631538
The rubber stamp means nothing if it isn't required to meet the same standards for the same length of time as everything else. Once the efficacy failures were obvious, the CDC, rather than conceding failure and that the vaccine is not a vaccine, literally changed the longheld legal definition of "vaccine" to be broad enough that any accepted therapeutic would be considered one. It declaratively says vaccines convey "protection," not immunity. Lol If this isn't enough for you...Anyone who took this shit is a naive scientism worshipping fucking idiot with no rational sense.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 06:35:02 No.13642560 Report

Quoted By: >>13643962

There is nothing anyone could do to convince me to get it. The science is and has been beyond clear. Covid is a nothingburger, the vaccine has no lasting effect on variants or longterm data. I will not take part in a clinical trial because reddit faggots who "fucking love science" but don't know basic algebra bow to the altar of a scientific establishment which has misrepresented or outright ignored the literature at each possibility wrt using a test that is less than 10% reliable (skews OVERWHELMINGLY to false positive) at 40+ CT for the duration of the first year (still run at unsound cycle thresholds), testing vaccinated at a lower CT, mask efficacy, lockdown efficacy, lied about kid death count, lied about overrun hospitals and poison control lines with ivermectin, and on and on and on. I could literally write a 4 post long greentext of the things they lied about which the science was clear and settled over. At this point they are the Roman Catholic Church putting Galileo on house arrest.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 08:24:55 No.13642737 Report

Quoted By: >>13642904 >>13642913 >>13647591

>Don't trust researchers
>Trust random retards on Facebook instead
Antivaxxers are tranny-tier retarded

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 09:51:22 No.13642904 Report

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>>13642737

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 09:57:32 No.13642913 Report

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>>13642737
>>13642904
Samefag

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 11:13:41 No.13643072 Report

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>>13631541
Hey anon, what it like being a dumb redneck who believes in conspiracy theories?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 12:11:28 No.13643192 Report

Quoted By: >>13644065

>>13642330
>they don't even know if an unprecedented 3rd "booster" shot in first 8 months is needed
Guess what, neither do the traditional vaccines. Again, why are they so clearly inferior to the mRNA ones?

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 16:18:30 No.13643962 Report

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>>13642560
Holy run-on, midwit.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 16:43:09 No.13644065 Report

Quoted By: >>13644172

>>13643192
what part of word "unprecedented" did you not read? Does your brain selectively delete the words that disagree with your narrative as some sort of coping mechanism or is this done intentionally?

>Guess what, neither do the traditional vaccines
No, a recommendation for a 3rd booster of the same/non-reformulated vaccine in an adult is rare, and very rare if you have no risk factors. A 3rd booster in 8 or fewer months for all of the healthiest adults in society has never been needed before, hence the COVID shots inability to effect lasting immunity is unprecedented compared to real vaccines.

Whoever said this new technology "works better" than real vaccines is pulling that straight out of their ass.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 16:49:45 No.13644089 Report

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I got AstraZeneca and then Pfizer as a second shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 17:17:11 No.13644172 Report

Quoted By: >>13645568 >>13647422

>>13644065
>unprecedented
This is unrelated to my post. You are dodging the point. mRNA vaccines are objectively better than standard ones. Why can't AstraZeneca, J&J, Sinovac, Sputnik etc etc deliver better results than Pfizer or Moderna? They get completely shat on by every comparative study.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 21:42:54 No.13645477 Report

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>>13631712
>https://osf.io/uwx32
Thank you for linking this. Very interesting how little this is being looked at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 21:50:20 No.13645516 Report

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>>13631856
>unless you strain the definition of unsafe to those few thousand adverse effect reports out of hundreds of millions.

I went to CDC.gov and read all the side effects they begrudgingly posted and saw the demographics effected.

It's a verified fact, at this point, that 2 - 5 million people had anaphylaxis as a reaction to the vaccine, as reported by the CDC.
Pfizer is confirmed for causing Myocarditis and Pericarditis specifically in young males who take it.
Moderna is known for causing bloot clots and late term maternity issues in women.
J&J is known for Bells Palsy in middle aged individuals.
AstraZeneca is known for literally being the worst of them all.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 21:58:45 No.13645568 Report

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>>13644172
>This is unrelated to my post
Ignoring it doesn't make it unrelated

>You are dodging the point. mRNA vaccines are objectively better than standard ones
How long do you need to wait for the 3rd dose to ensure they are still effective? Researchers said we "probably" won't need a 4th booster, but don't know.

How can you make your claim without knowing those unless you are just pulling it out of your ass?

>Why can't AstraZeneca, J&J, Sinovac, Sputnik etc etc deliver better results than Pfizer or Moderna? They get completely shat on by every comparative study.
why the hell are you comparing different types of coof shots to each other? WHo gives a shit. The topic is comparing coof shots to real vaccines.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 22:20:40 No.13645694 Report

Quoted By: >>13647293

>>13645568
Read the OP nigger this is a thread about mRNA vaccines.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 22:43:52 No.13645806 Report

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 22:46:08 No.13645819 Report

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Don’t talk to me unless your giga VAXXED

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 03:20:27 No.13647293 Report

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>>13645694
No shit. OP asked for thoughts. My "thoughts" regarding mRNA serums is that mRNA immunity serums are not superior than real vaccines. I've repeated this several times. Moderna just said today that their mRNA technology gets twice as many breakthrough cases in just a 5 months difference (13 months vs 8 months since the jab) and they now officially recommend boosters, adding to what I've already said.

They have no clue what the long term "efficacy" will be and it's a coin toss if we need yearly boosters. Do you think it's safe enough to take the jab once a year for the rest of your life?

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 04:35:06 No.13647422 Report

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>>13639543
>>13644172
>Why can't AstraZeneca, J&J, Sinovac, Sputnik etc etc deliver better results than Pfizer or Moderna?
My understanding of this is that a lot of the variance in jab efficacy we're seeing is due to the variants in the different regions that the jabs were tested in. For example, the actual vaccine by sinovac was tested in areas that had different variants at the time like Chile with P1, while the mrna jabs were tested in areas that still mainly had the original strain like the pfizer in the us. Unfortunately all of the clinical trials for all of the corona injectables are very small and over very short periods of time, so it is difficult to draw any substantial conclusions from the data. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the types over the same period of time in the same region, especially against a variant with spike mutation(s). This would also be a good opportunity for setting up a proper large double blinded clinical trial for the new injectable technologies.
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-vaccines-SAGE_recommendation-Sinovac-CoronaVac-2021.1

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 04:54:14 No.13647457 Report

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im a novavax chad pending

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 06:03:16 No.13647566 Report

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>>13631958
Return to reddit shill

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 06:20:37 No.13647591 Report

Quoted By: >>13647618 >>13647655

>>13642737

I love these people who preach vaccine science like it somehow reflects on their own intellect. A stubborn antivaxxer is annoying, but at least they aren’t inflating their own self worth by forming a social in-group based on getting a goddamned shot in the arm.

pro tip: it doesn’t make you special.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 06:33:43 No.13647618 Report

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>>13647591
>I love these people who preach anti-vaccine science like it somehow reflects on their own intellect. A stubborn vaxxer is annoying, but at least they aren’t inflating their own self worth by forming a social in-group based on getting a goddamned shot in the arm.
>pro tip: it might help you with that not-being-dead thing

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Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 06:51:56 No.13647655 Report

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>>13647591
I never met anyone like this IRL. I swear I only see these extremes on internet. If anything IRL people always complain about lockdowns and stupid government measures, but they're all, without fail, too passive and never going to do shit. Some are misinformed and still think in memes like vaccine protects others, etc. I think the biggest shame is adoption of green pass in much of Europe when it has 0 rationale behind it. If vaccine stopped the spread, I could agree with it from devil's advocate point of view (I don't support any passes and think government should be kept out of your life as much as possible), because it does reduce spread, and in catering which is a hotbed for infections, it can make sense. But it has actually caused MORE cases. Not that cases matter - hospitalizations, deaths and cases with permanent damage matter. In and all it's all absurd. But my point is that the average peon will grumble, but accept whatever going their way. Most would be too cowardly to risk their lives to go on an insurrection and to rebel against the state. As such many people will mask their cowardice as virtue, i.e. intelligence or "saving lives". I do think vaccines are fairly effective and have been a good measure for risk groups, but much could be said about the fact that they're all produced by corporate giants who care more for amount of doses sold than the pure necessity for them.

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