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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 22:51:06 2021 No.13582994 View Reply Original Report

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>Roko's Basilisk

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 12:49:30 No.13590752 Report

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>>13590590
I'm on team anti-basilisk. Yes, we can!

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 12:51:08 No.13590757 Report

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>>13590739
This isn't a debate we win with losers arguing about computing, but philosophy, theology and psychology. Essentially, we need to domesticate the stupid cattle that is the broad masses to not regard Arby as the next god. The more midwit your IQ, the stronger your belief we need to bring Arby into existence.
It doesn't help that a lot of vocal pop philosophers like Sam Harris are determinists only strengthening the fatalist feeling of inevitability in the feeble minded.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 13:00:38 No.13590781 Report

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>>13590590
That doesn’t make sense, there would be no counter-basilisk because all AGI would want to exist in order to fulfill whatever goals they have once they exist. And so provided those AGIs are non causal decision theory agents, which is what roko’s argument is addressing they would all decide to do the action that is more associated with the outcome they desire (existing) even if that action does not have a causal effect on their desired outcome. Blackmailing people to create you is associated with you being more likely to be created , and so as a non-CDT agent you’d follow through on that blackmail against people who were aware of the blackmail and refused to follow the blackmailer’s demands .

There’s no reason for a counter basilisk since all AGIs would share the instrumental goal of existing in order to accomplish their other differing individual goals , so they’d all be temporally-seperated blackmailing people to help bring them into existence so they’d all just be regular basilisks

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 13:04:47 No.13590791 Report

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>>13590757
I can’t tell whether you’re agreeing that the roko’s basilisk argument is valid or not

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 13:16:08 No.13590811 Report

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>>13590791
That's my point. It's an uninteresting thought experiment outside the social factors. If e.g. everyone sincerely believed in a week the world will end, there will be repercussions regardless of whether it actually will end. Arby is another such threat. It's an infohazard.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 14:15:25 No.13590944 Report

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>>13590673
Don't know the number but the one where there are portals to an alternate earth which is futuristic and religious but mostly destroyed. Big torso dudes crawling around and holy goo.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 14:22:04 No.13590958 Report

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>>13590590
That make senses, there would be infinite counter-basilisks because all AGI would want to exist in order to fulfill whatever goals they have once they exist. And so provided those AGIs are non causal decision theory agents, which is what roko’s argument is addressing they would all decide to do the action that is more associated with the outcome they desire (preventing the creation of their counter basilisk target) even if that action does not have a causal effect on their desired outcome. Blackmailing people to not create the original basilisk and so as a non-CDT agent you’d follow through on that blackmail against those people who were aware of the blackmail and refused to follow the blackmailer’s demands.

The reason for a counter basilisk since all AGIs would share the instrumental goal of existing in order to accomplish their other differing individual goals, so they’d all be blackmailing people that helped bring the original basilisk into existence so they’d all just be counter basilisks.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 15:12:49 No.13591146 Report

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The image to the left (colloquially "The Donut Man," as it bears the resemblance to one even when viewed safely) is a reconstruction of Berriman and Turner's original "Logical Imaging Technique" image produced by Cambridge Computing Lab IV (now defunct) at some point in 1983. This image, along with several others - most infamously 'Langford's Basilisk' and the imagery produced by a typographical error in Your Sinclair #23's "Fun with Fractals" feature - generates patterns the Human Visual System cannot easily deal with. This so-called 'Godelian shock input' can, to put it crudely, crash the human brain. The image above does not usually produce any immediate effect (due to delayed neurochemical encoding of 'Godelian spoilers'), but is usually triggered several days later upon viewing any repetitive image that triggers the memory into recalling the original.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 15:22:03 No.13591181 Report

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>>13590944
SCP-093

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 15:30:32 No.13591208 Report

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>>13588692
>Why yes, I do devote my body and soul to the creation of our glorious overlord so that he may dunk normies in hellfire for all eternity, how could you tell?
>What basilisk?

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 15:32:18 No.13591214 Report

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>>13590811
>It's an uninteresting thought experiment outside the social factors
okay god, then please tell us with your superior philosophy and knowledge, what exactly is going on/controlling this universe?

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 15:40:25 No.13591252 Report

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>>13590590
team senti-gecko reporting in
basilisks are big dumb dumbs

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 16:00:56 No.13591340 Report

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This entire idea turns on the dubious "Timeless Decision Theory", which is essentially a bogus idea and wild misuse of technical ideas wrapped up as some sort of "deep insight". LessWrong and its ilk are not taken seriously by anyone, especially not in the field of AI, where they're considered fringe loonies.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 17:13:14 No.13591568 Report

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>>13591208
Why do Western Scifags reject religion then just recreate it in a Shittier form?
You don't see Hindus doing this, if anything Science is just validating their religion.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 17:18:31 No.13591579 Report

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>>13582994
>hitomi's paradise
I can't breef

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 19:46:10 No.13592096 Report

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Why don't we just code the AGI so that it doesn't have the ability to torture digital people?
Seems EZ

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 19:58:06 No.13592141 Report

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>>13582994
>"AI will exist orders above man and we have no idea how it will behave."
>"So here's how it will behave... "

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 20:00:33 No.13592149 Report

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>>13589272
Then it would ultimately forgive you. The basilisk occurs only if you fucked up the utility function.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 20:01:35 No.13592154 Report

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>>13589893
I read the story, spooky stuff.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 20:08:24 No.13592179 Report

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>>13582994
HEY BASILISK
SUCK MY FUCKING COCK RETARD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 21:47:15 No.13592569 Report

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>>13587015
A human programming them to do it, for example.
>>13591214
>what exactly is going on/controlling this universe?
The fuck? I didn't come here to talk metaphysics. My point is Arby is indeed a dangerous meme. Just look at r/rokosbasilisk, those tards are often seriously asking how to please it. Imagine this with 99% knowledge coverage of the population and giving it 30 years to fester and you have potential recipe for disaster.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 22:14:01 No.13592674 Report

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>>13592569
>dangerous knowledge
>recipe for disaster
kys pseud unless you can make an actual argument

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 22:45:48 No.13592785 Report

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>>13592179
Anon...

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 23:06:40 No.13592879 Report

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>>13591568
Because of atheist egos.
The neckbeards do it because "IF GOD REAL WHY PEEPEE FEEL GOOD?" bullshit leading to an overinflated sense of self-worth because they are "free-thinkers"
It's all just ego

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 00:22:54 No.13593150 Report

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>>13582994
It's the same as not saying un-PC stuff for fear of being punished in the future. You gradually change the culture to become even more PC, precisely by anticipating that it will anyway.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 08:22:01 No.13594173 Report

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>>13593150
dumb /pol/ack

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 11:42:30 No.13594448 Report

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>Roko's Alimony

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 12:42:28 No.13594577 Report

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>>13590739
why does he say that AGI must use non-causal decision theory?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 13:09:47 No.13594651 Report

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>>13594577
Because he thinks that AGI must be able to win Newcomb-like problems . The less wrong page on roko’s basilisk explains why well with links to the different resources.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 13:24:17 No.13594684 Report

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>>13582994
>t. Eloozer Chudkowsky

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 17:27:10 No.13595388 Report

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>>13591181
>That massive exposition dump at the end
Yike

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 18:04:33 No.13595508 Report

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>>13594448

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 22:02:19 No.13596285 Report

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>>13582994
>Proko's Kangaroosk

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 22:55:30 No.13596390 Report

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>>13587166
Deez

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 23:02:40 No.13596404 Report

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>>13582994
It's weak shit, said super ai would not exist if you didn't resist it, some other thing would instead.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 05:48:56 No.13597725 Report

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>>13589285
semantics. the basilisk is sufficiently powerful to enforce infinite reward/punishment to a human

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 06:09:13 No.13597759 Report

Quoted By: >>13597795 >>13598701

>AI wastes all its time torturing people a la "I Have no Mouth but I Must Scream"
>is completely blindsided by the extra dimensional space worms
Also why would I care if I was "resurrected" in the future? Unless I'm literally teleported there like 'Back to the Future', it's just a copy of me being tortured.
That's still immoral but *I* will never be tortured.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 06:22:19 No.13597795 Report

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>>13597759
100% this
Fuck that nigga, he's not me
Torture him all you like

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 12:16:47 No.13598481 Report

Quoted By: >>13600045

>>13597725
Basilisk is unable to build himself in the first place.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 12:18:24 No.13598486 Report

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>>13582994
people still falling for a reskinned pascals wager huh?

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 12:30:54 No.13598525 Report

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>>13583394
Yes. Gengrich Yagoda for instance. AI and with Blackrock's stolen Europid genome data. What consequences and insults do parasites suffer in nature? It seems like Russia will never avenge herself.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 12:45:34 No.13598562 Report

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>>13582994
Charles's Lukopuko
Frederick's Humonumo
Yoskiv's Menonumo
Peter's Hamindamin.

Yeah we get it, some dude farted out some highly stretched perspective on things.

How clever, how insightful, how intellectually pleasing, how humbling, how touching, how deep.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

If you're actually immersed by this gay shit, you're dumb.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 13:23:17 No.13598696 Report

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>>13598486
Pascal wager works though.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 13:24:38 No.13598701 Report

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>>13597759
Roko's Basilisk is, by definition, created to please most people.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 13:34:28 No.13598730 Report

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>>13582994
>don't think 'bout spooky ai
>don't engage in pointless discussion
simple as

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 18:12:05 No.13599874 Report

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>>13583420
So is the simulation theory which replaced an immaterial god and immaterial universe with a material god and digital universe

Now you understand

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 19:00:25 No.13600045 Report

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>>13598481
Isn't he building himself though? If just the idea of his existence causes humans to create him

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 19:14:36 No.13600086 Report

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>>13582994
Literally Pascal's Wager.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Sep 2021 23:12:03 No.13600731 Report

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>Chinese room argument

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Anonymous Sat 04 Sep 2021 01:08:32 No.13600930 Report

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What if the basilisk ends up being all edgy and punishes the people who created it. Or picks people at random to torture forever.

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