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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 15:09:51 2021 No.13576595 View Reply Original Report

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Is Uncle Ted right?
Is Mathematics really not worth pursuing anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 22:49:43 No.13578244 Report

Quoted By: >>13578293

>>13576595
I think math will be the last to be phased out among natural sciences. Algorithms can do only so much before you hit the level of abstraction that requires human input.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 22:55:52 No.13578264 Report

Quoted By: >>13578428 >>13580260 >>13580320 >>13582361 >>13582496

>>13576595
Point 2 is plain wrong, evidence clearly shows that technology always has made the life more productive and less stressful, and also more sustainable. Luddism was as stupid 200 years ago as it is right now.
Point 3 is also wrong, as it would be computer aided research like right now. every single researcher uses internet and computers and servers or super computer do to the simulations or the heavy math. Imagine some computer that could give more complex hints on the topics, lot of new discoveries to come.
>human replaced by machine
While in theory it could happen, machine as intended right now have as only purpose to serve humans and no the reproduction purpose as any life form. Machines are not alive and never will. If someone creates some kind of mavhine whose purpose is to reproduce indefinetly well there could be a problem but it would be not only for maths but for the whole human kind, and also very easy to solve as you can just unplug the power supply to shutdown everything. No energy, no machines

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:02:20 No.13578293 Report

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>>13578244
wicked fukken world. even math requires creativity moar than anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:03:34 No.13578302 Report

Quoted By: >>13578335

>>13576595
Human brains are fucking enormous. There's a billion terabytes of RNA in the brain, that's what it would take to simulate even a mediocre mathematician.

No, Ted was not right on this point.

Do guys ever wonder what Ted would be like if he had access to the internet? Would he run a blog like Lubos Motl or Tao? Maybe he'd just be another anon.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:03:41 No.13578304 Report

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>>13577222
Teddy was published in several major newspapers

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:05:58 No.13578324 Report

Quoted By: >>13582189

>>13576595
Mathematics is worth pursuing if you enjoy it (entertained by it). Simple as that. If you're pursuing mathematics you probably don't give a shit about money anyways. Materialism and desire are overrated. If machines take my place in 20 years doing metamathematics and god knows what else then boohoo I don't fucking care. I'll have enough saved up or I'll be dead probably. How does Ted spend his time? Doing things that entertain him. So I suppose living isn't a "worthwhile endeavor" for him, but he still does it.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:08:23 No.13578335 Report

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>>13578302
he'd be a fucking degenerate and wouldn't ever get an education

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:27:22 No.13578428 Report

Quoted By: >>13578520

>>13578264
Try actually reading his works before making smug retard comments next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:49:16 No.13578520 Report

Quoted By: >>13580202 >>13582361

>>13578428
>just do more echochamber that validates my way of thought because i am incapable of rational debate
No thanks

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 01:30:26 No.13578870 Report

Quoted By: >>13582392

>>13578242
>dude's was a fucking horrible person for hurting so many people

If only you knew how bad things really are, you coward

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 01:37:04 No.13578892 Report

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UBI literally fixes everything

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 03:10:33 No.13579230 Report

Quoted By: >>13590975

>>13576595
Math is a worthwhile endeavor if you have the potential to solve major problems and convert the platform you get from that into an endless supply of money and pussy. This rises above mere entertainment because you get the clout to direct cultural narratives, including a Luddite narrative if you wish. Dudes like Perelman and Wiles just didn't bother exploiting their genius platforms to the full, so they have less impact on culture and society than an American Idol finalist from fifteen years ago.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 08:44:58 No.13580202 Report

Quoted By: >>13580251

>>13578520
That sounded cooler and more correct in your incel head when you wrote it than it actually is. If you don't understand his works you can't really critique them. It's not that hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 08:53:22 No.13580224 Report

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>>13578217
Neither will Ted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 08:57:40 No.13580235 Report

Quoted By: >>13580244

/pol/ be like
>don't listen to John Money! Look at what he's done! He deserves to be shut down!
and then also be like
>you should listen to Ted Kaczynski! It doesn't matter what he's done! Everybody deserves to be heard!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 08:59:28 No.13580240 Report

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>>13576595
>Is Mathematics really not worth pursuing anymore?
There's a fourth reason he's not taking into consideration, which is more along the lines of mystical insight than technological utilitarianism or entertainment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 09:00:55 No.13580244 Report

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>>13580235
John Money was a child rapist promoting
degenerate pseudoscience. Ted did nothing wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 09:04:30 No.13580251 Report

Quoted By: >>13580544 >>13582361

>>13580202
you are not even arguing, you are disproving my point by only insulting me. On a burmese origami forum. Where nobody reads nor cares. I mean based? Or actually retard

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 09:07:38 No.13580260 Report

Quoted By: >>13580544

>>13578264
>evidence clearly shows that technology always has made the life more productive and less stressful
Can we see any evidence to that effect?

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 09:26:16 No.13580320 Report

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>>13578264
This is the most midwit post i have ever read on this website. Literally 17 years old kid wrote this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 11:08:41 No.13580544 Report

Quoted By: >>13580564 >>13582361

>>13580320
Read this post anon
>>13580251
And to (you)>>13580260
The whole work of Amartya sen

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 11:23:04 No.13580564 Report

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>>13580544
>The whole work of Amartya sen
So you're not going to present any actual evidence? Now that's surprising.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 15:32:33 No.13581252 Report

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>>13576595
Computer can only create new theorems. They
will NEVER create axioms or definitions. Any one
who thinks mathematicians will be replaced is
retarded. In fact, research will be the last human
work. Everything else can be easily replaced if we
had the money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 15:47:37 No.13581310 Report

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(1) is unironically a good reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 15:49:57 No.13581322 Report

Quoted By: >>13581582 >>13582392

>>13578242
He was horrible for going about it in completely the wrong way, but at least he tried.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 15:57:01 No.13581344 Report

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>>13576595
>$300k starting salary

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 16:57:33 No.13581582 Report

Quoted By: >>13581621

>>13581322
just no
>but at least he tried
if you pretend changing the world by killing people you are an antisocial psycho, and whatever you say should be considered with lots of suspicion about your end goal,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:01:25 No.13581600 Report

Quoted By: >>13583940

>>13576595
>Computers will replace mathematicians
AAAAAAAAAAA

What WON’T they automate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:04:51 No.13581621 Report

Quoted By: >>13581708

>>13581582
Part of Ted's goal was to avoid a situation we are currently in. The end goal was to save humanity from the cliff we are about to fall off.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:28:33 No.13581708 Report

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>>13581621
we are about to fall of shit.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 19:24:41 No.13582189 Report

Quoted By: >>13588671 >>13590963 >>13591008

>>13578324
This.

There is no neurotypical reason for anyone to study mathematics. There is NO money. There is NO personal gain (even if you prove a grand theorem it wont be in normie news). It is literally against YOUR OWN INTERESTS and it will make YOUR LIFE WORSE if you study mathematics. From a normie Point of View if you study mathematics you're ngmi.

If a normie knew just how much time true mathematicians spend on grinding and grinding and grinding on something that literally yields no personal benefit, that normie would be baffled. They cannot fathom because all they know is "wake up, wageslave at job, get wage, buy new iphone, watch netflix, dream vaguely of becoming rich and successful, sleep, repeat until death".

And so, math is for people who don't give a fuck about worldly pleasures.

This is why I like it. It is entertainment, yet the purest and most exquisite form of which. I do not care for the normie lifestyle. The normie lifetrack is a joke to me lmao. I fucking love mathematics.

t. aspiring mathematician

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:11:14 No.13582361 Report

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>>13578264
>>13578520
>>13580251
>>13580544
NOW THIS IS A GOOD FUCKIN TROLL

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:21:07 No.13582392 Report

Quoted By: >>13587167

>>13578870
Tell me. How bad are things in your head? Planning to go haywire anytime soon?
>>13581322
>at least he tried
Tried to do what? Be a pathetic mentally ill faggot? All of his problems are imagined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:23:57 No.13582404 Report

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>>13576595
He forgot another reason
(4) Because you are compelled to explore and discover due to your Aryan spirit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:29:34 No.13582418 Report

Quoted By: >>13583856 >>13583967

I mean if we reach a point where computer programs make Math reseaercher useless I don't see what other profession will be left.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:44:01 No.13582474 Report

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>>13576595
He's 100% correct and I feel like I'm a genius for having realized all that he wrote there in the my teen years, unlike him who had to pass through college and all that shit, just for later realizing that the final solution is start making bombs (as I did!). Moron.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:48:56 No.13582496 Report

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>>13578264
>evidence clearly shows that technology always has made the life more productive and less stressful, and also more sustainable

stay mad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:50:10 No.13582503 Report

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>>13576595
Ted won

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 03:38:39 No.13583856 Report

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>>13582418
Pretty much this, you're talking about an ultra-sophisticated AI that super-cedes human intelligence. If that were the case, researchers being replaced by computers would be the least of our concerns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 04:06:10 No.13583940 Report

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>>13581600
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 04:16:25 No.13583967 Report

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>>13582418
They've mastered Chess and Go but they still can't match toddlers when it comes to interacting with the physical world.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 16:29:26 No.13586175 Report

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Your uncle makes a good point. I started studying math only because I defined myself by my IQ and math is the highest IQ field. Now I'm depressed and forgot most of the worthless nonsense I learnt in university. It was completely pointless. Wasted time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 19:57:09 No.13587167 Report

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>>13582392
What is "haywire"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 01:57:11 No.13588671 Report

Quoted By: >>13591008

>>13582189
Nicely put, bro. Good luck on becoming a mathematician.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 14:23:24 No.13590963 Report

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>>13582189
lmao imagine not understanding Cayley diagrams mathlet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 14:25:28 No.13590975 Report

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>>13579230
>money
>from math
>PUSSY
>FROM MATH
>ENDLESS SUPPLY OF MONEY AND PUSSY
kek

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 14:35:20 No.13591008 Report

Quoted By: >>13592714

>>13588671
>>13582189
The world is all there is.
Everything is here, in front of you.
Applications are not desecrations but forms of worship.
In fact, they are the only way of seeing.
Mathematics is a branch of physics.
Platonism isn't real.
You are stuck here with all of us.
You stick your head in clouds the way an ostrich sticks its head in the sand.
You are a coward.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 16:42:12 No.13591470 Report

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>>13576595
ever since lain point theory, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 22:24:59 No.13592714 Report

Quoted By: >>13592947

>>13591008
Retard or troll. Didn't say they weren't applying math (doesn't even matter anyways you're just a retard). Didn't say they were running from reality. Stating obvious things for rhetoric. "Platonism isn't real". If anything pursuing math while staying grounded in reality and detaching from traditional desires makes life more challenging which contradicts the whole "coward" thing. Go to /lit/ or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 23:24:43 No.13592947 Report

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>>13592714
lol I'm saging, neither of you will ever be mathematicians, but come join us in /mg/ if you ever want to stop larping your "purest and most exquisite form of entertainment"

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