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Natural immunity is stronger than vaccination

Anonymous Sat 28 Aug 19:56:41 2021 No.13573039 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13581685 >>13582632 >>13584199 >>13585045 >>13587254 >>13587272 >>13593854

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/natural-immunity-is-stronger-than-vaccination-study-suggests

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:33:03 No.13578456 Report

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>>13577936
Because the population is massive. Even if "most" have it, in one country alone there can still be millions left.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:36:18 No.13578470 Report

Quoted By: >>13578517 >>13579549

I had COVID and got the vaccine a year later. Is that why I didn't have side effects from the vaccine? Did I waste an hour of my time getting it?

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:44:01 No.13578502 Report

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>>13577936
because it's not the virus causing the symptoms it is caused by two environmental factors.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Aug 2021 23:48:35 No.13578517 Report

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>>13578470
You could just be a fairly healthy person who managed to handle both infections.

I think the real problem is when things go awry, and most people are fairly awry as it is.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 04:28:59 No.13579529 Report

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>>13575942
retard

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 04:33:49 No.13579549 Report

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>>13578470
>Did I waste an hour of my time getting it?
Potentially it would still give you a "booster" for the spike antibodies. You may have still had them, but having more of them would be helpful to catch it early if you get exposed again.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 04:35:08 No.13579553 Report

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>>13575942
>already had covid
Now what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 05:41:20 No.13579745 Report

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>>13575658
Really activates the old almonds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 08:38:45 No.13580190 Report

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>>13575895
>>13578052
>>13575947
>>13576846
>>13576856
>>13577843
Holy shit why /pol/tards are so fucking stupid? You're getting a vaccine shot that's proven to be safe and effective output shit for brains.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 10:14:52 No.13580452 Report

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>>13580190
That stats are fairly conclusive. There's so much strange bias here around the vaccine. I think people who have taken it are victim of some kind of bias and cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 10:36:29 No.13580492 Report

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>>13575942
>only a few hundred thousand people died that way
I had barely any symptoms at all (as is the case for the absolutely overwhelming majority of my demographic) and now I'm better off than vaxcattle. What's the problem here?

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 11:01:14 No.13580530 Report

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>>13573385
Americans have a very poor diet, I doubt that their natural immunity is any good.
They are dropping like flies on the fast food diet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 14:56:16 No.13581135 Report

Quoted By: >>13581649 >>13581662 >>13587334

>>13573482
Nice, the WHO and CDC messaging has bad several claims so far,

1. Blanket Natural immunity < vaccines (instead of some sensible antibody titer level)

2. Viral origins, (inconclusive and likely to remain so - Wuhan lab's and collaborating virologists responses seem more keen on securing funding)

3. Slow on recognition of aerosol spread.

4. Fauci playing word games rather than accepting and addressing the possible risk of creating recombinant viruses. (Is there any discernable benefit to to try and recombine viruses to 'predict' future epidemics? I mean how the fuck is that useful)

Are there good review sources or should I just have to read papers as they come out? Perhaps an EU source?

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:11:28 No.13581644 Report

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>>13580190
bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:12:50 No.13581649 Report

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>>13581135
Don't forget masks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:14:46 No.13581662 Report

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>>13581135
>(instead of some sensible antibody titer level)
This is better, but not perfect, most people who had childhood diseases/vaccines will not pass a titer for them, unless they were recently exposed, but are probably still immune.

>Is there any discernable benefit to to try and recombine viruses to 'predict' future epidemics?
So far it's been very beneficial if you bought pharma stock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:19:14 No.13581673 Report

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>>13581649
>masks are very bad
>masks are good actually
>you need a mask outside and can't eat out
>you don't need a mask outside or to eat out
>masks are doubleplusgood
>we need double masks
>vaccinated people can go unmasked, they can't spread it
>vaccinated people need masks again, they can spread it
What part of this chain of messages was inconsistent or hard to understand?

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:22:35 No.13581685 Report

Quoted By: >>13581715 >>13581717 >>13581786 >>13587346

>>13573039
Getting infected comes with considerable cost, even if you survive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:29:44 No.13581715 Report

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>>13581685
>already had covid
Now what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:30:44 No.13581717 Report

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>>13581685
>muh long covid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:46:50 No.13581786 Report

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>>13581685
>Getting infected comes with considerable cost, even if you survive.
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 17:53:17 No.13581819 Report

Quoted By: >>13583310

Is there a way one can forge a QR code? Vax cards are easy but mostly all proofs of vaccination involve a qr code which is scanned.
Any anons can shed some light into this? Genuinely asking this for a friend as he doesn't want to get the vaccine.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 20:51:19 No.13582510 Report

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>>13581673
Don't forget, only use masks that "work" and don't actually work. We have save those for healthcare professionals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 21:23:58 No.13582632 Report

Quoted By: >>13582857 >>13585055

>>13573039
Yes but it's risky since Covid has a very high rate of long term side effects and permanent damages even with mild cases while the vaccines don't.
Also natural immunity is too random, I know several people who got Covid twice and two of them got a more severe case the second time.

That said I got Covid and then the vaccines and I'd say I feel more protected than people that got one or the other. I reacted so much to the two doses that I know the defenses are clearly there.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 22:13:04 No.13582836 Report

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>>13582510
>4 blacks and 2 whites
>4 women and 2 men
Starting to notice patterns in this art style

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Aug 2021 22:17:56 No.13582857 Report

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>>13582632
>Covid has a very high rate
what rate is that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 00:34:31 No.13583310 Report

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>>13581819
yeah, get pdf editor, edit a friends vaccine pass and then generate a qr code from that pdf file, there's software for that if im not mistaken so search on google.

however if you do get caught you'll be in a heap of shit, so i think its better if you just forge a pcr or antigen test whenever you need one

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 03:40:07 No.13583861 Report

Quoted By: >>13587184

Good thing I got both

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 06:14:49 No.13584199 Report

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>>13573039
Maybe someone should've told this to polio victims.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 06:53:11 No.13584311 Report

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>>13580492
The point is I'm using the logic of anti-vax. No one would accept a vaccine that had such extremely high rates of complications as the natural infection.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 07:06:04 No.13584352 Report

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>>13573968

The polcels will ignore this post

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 10:42:24 No.13585045 Report

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>>13573039
>worries about getting sick
>gives mom hugs
>dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 10:46:40 No.13585053 Report

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>>13584352
Take your meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 10:47:08 No.13585055 Report

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>>13582632
>Covid has a very high rate of long term side effects and permanent damages even with mild cases
[Citation needed]
>inb4 ad hominem
I'm vaccinated myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 20:01:29 No.13587184 Report

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>>13583861
covidmaxxing?

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 20:16:33 No.13587254 Report

Quoted By: >>13589454

>>13573039
>Getting infected with whole virus is better than getting injected with spike. WOW!
Obvious to anyone who didn't abandon their common sense

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 20:20:22 No.13587272 Report

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>>13573039
Looks like they replaced the second link with this one
https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
hmmmmm

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 20:21:38 No.13587283 Report

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>>13573968
>and if the infection doesn't cause persistent problems (this isn't so clear -- people are whining about loss of sensation and bodily function months after viral infection, which a few studies linked to loss of brain matter, which also isn't clear because everyone has been shamed into accepting whatever-quality studies that toe the line).
>Your lungs will be destroyed, your brain will shrink, you won't be able to coom
Long covid is whatever scare story the media want to tell to get people to take their shots, having temporary after effects from infection isn't novel.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 20:27:08 No.13587308 Report

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>>13575942
>get infected to build your immunity only a few hundred thousand people died that way
Show the deaths by risk group, with and without comorbidities and with symptomatic illness

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 20:32:59 No.13587334 Report

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>>13581135
>4. Fauci playing word games rather than accepting and addressing the possible risk of creating recombinant viruses. (Is there any discernable benefit to to try and recombine viruses to 'predict' future epidemics? I mean how the fuck is that useful)
It is useful for corporate interests

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Anonymous Tue 31 Aug 2021 20:34:52 No.13587346 Report

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>>13581685
>Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy
They are all boomers

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 05:49:27 No.13589437 Report

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>>13584199
Natural immunity against polio was fine for millennia, we know it was endemic in populations back to at least the Romans around year 0 and wasn't a huge issue. Polio became a problem in the western world after mass sanitization was introduced and we started to have non shit water. Polio is particularly dangerous to adolescents but not infants (can't remember the exact reason but it is probably conferred immunity), and mass sanitization was able to keep children naive to polio until adolescence, so suddenly around the turn of the 20th century we start having mass outbreaks shortly after sanitation is implemented.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 05:56:11 No.13589454 Report

Quoted By: >>13593847 >>13593865 >>13595997

>>13587254
Uh CHUD DISINFO detected!! I'll trust the science tyvm.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 06:27:15 No.13589532 Report

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>>13573425
I'm honestly not really informed cause I don't care that much but I know that if you were infected you have something like a 6/7 month greenpass validity.
When I heard that I definitely wanted to toungue someone at the hospital

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Anonymous Wed 01 Sep 2021 06:30:12 No.13589539 Report

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>>13573339
Most EU countries allow you to enter if you had corona within 90 days.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 04:59:12 No.13593847 Report

Quoted By: >>13593865

>>13589454
>Research has not shown how long natural immunity lasts
The Pfizer PR that managed to push this narrative is an absolute genious. He derserves to be put in jail but still.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 05:04:06 No.13593854 Report

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>>13573039
this sounds unprofitable, I mean, improbable

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OjbcVB0tmVXg/

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 05:09:37 No.13593865 Report

Quoted By: >>13594002 >>13595997

>>13589454
>>13593847
>https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
>One study showed that unvaxxed people who already had covid-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaxxed people to get covid-19 again: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM63289&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20August%206%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM63289
>The authors: "Finally, this is a retrospective study design using data from a single state during a 2-month period; therefore, these findings cannot be used to infer causation."

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 06:34:52 No.13594002 Report

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>>13593865
Impressive. In europe, previous infection only gives you "corono pass" for 6 months. The reason for that is that they used a study made 6 months after the beginning of the pandemic that says "After 6 months they still have good antibodies". There has been new studies since then of course, but this rule hasn't been updated yet for some reason.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Sep 2021 20:15:02 No.13595997 Report

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>>13589454
>>13593865
hmm

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