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Zeno's arrow paradox

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 18:47:45 2021 No.13533392 View Reply Original Report

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Well, how does /sci/ answer?

El Arcón

El Arcón Wed 18 Aug 2021 20:44:01 No.13533772 Report

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ej don't kiw

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 20:45:01 No.13533776 Report

Quoted By: >>13533780

>>13533770
just say that you don't know what a limit is, lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 20:46:33 No.13533780 Report

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>>13533776
let me guess, sophomore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 20:47:07 No.13533783 Report

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>>13533770
Infinitesimals are not at all necessary to answer OP. I already provided an answer here >>13533425.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 20:48:30 No.13533787 Report

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>>13533392
You're displacing what is already there with itself.
>in point a to in point a

There is no travel. Ultimately anyway. From a macroscoping sense, a piece of wood was displaced on a planet, is part of the planet and will always be a part of it.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:06:12 No.13533828 Report

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>>13533517
>>13533575
>>13533607
>>13533684
I'm an idiot, please explain very slowly how does discretizing time and or space solve anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:10:33 No.13533844 Report

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>>13533684
it's not so much that they teleport as the distribution of the quantum wave functions changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:16:25 No.13533864 Report

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>>13533828
because instants of time wouldn't exist, i.e. you couldn't have ?t=0.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:30:42 No.13533907 Report

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>>13533864
That makes literally no sense. If you can talk about intervals of time why wouldn't you be able to talk about the starting instant or ending instant of said interval?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:34:45 No.13533916 Report

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>>13533392
The first sentence is wrong. In motion/motionless is only defined with respect to two different points in times, not a single point in time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:37:32 No.13533928 Report

Quoted By: >>13535923

>>13533907
what is an instant?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:42:13 No.13533948 Report

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>>13533770
you know that this line of reasoning refutes the solution to the distance paradox right? If you can't use limits then how do you explain travelling distances that involve an infinite series?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:51:51 No.13533986 Report

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>>13533916
that's what tangent vectors are for

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:56:23 No.13534001 Report

Quoted By: >>13534005

>>13533392
it’s not motionless because it’s moving

Wow, real thinker you threw at us

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 21:57:06 No.13534005 Report

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>>13534001
This. Wow, that was a toughie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 22:03:52 No.13534030 Report

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>>13533392
maybe it is the notion that a "point in time" is erroneous
or maybe it is that you can characterize something as "moving," even if you are only analyzing it for one point in time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 22:51:22 No.13534163 Report

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>>13533986
Doesn't exist without other points in time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 23:36:02 No.13534305 Report

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>>13533392
>If I arbitrarily stop time and observe the arrow it isnt moving
>therefore motion does not exist
Another meaningless axiom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 23:37:32 No.13534307 Report

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>>13533392
First line is just stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 23:46:28 No.13534329 Report

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>>13533392
Zeno was a massive pseud obviously

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Aug 2021 23:54:02 No.13534345 Report

Quoted By: >>13534408

>>13533392
>At any point in time an arrow can only occupy one position and is therefore motionless.
Are you dumb?

$f:\{0,1,2\}\to\mathbb{R}, f(0)=10, f(1)=0, f(2)=2$ .
>This function only has one real value each time and is therefore constant.

DO REAL MATH YOU OR DONT DO MATH AT ALL.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROPOSE A PARADOX DO IT PROPERLY AND THINK ABOUT IT.
STOP ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS AND ANSWER WITH STUPID SHIT YOU DUMBFUCKS. I AM TIRED OF /SCI/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 00:17:10 No.13534408 Report

Quoted By: >>13534443

>>13534345
Midwit can't even understand the paradox it seems, so he spergs out instead of leaving the thread alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 00:27:12 No.13534443 Report

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>>13534408
Don't worry brainlet friend, I'll help you out:
>>13533409
>>13533434
>>13533575
>>13533582
>>13533916
>>13534307

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 02:06:32 No.13534723 Report

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>>13533425
You're missing the point of the paradox. Zeno wrote paradoxes to exhibit flaws in logic.
>sufficiently smooth curve
This is a model of the thing but not the thing in itself. It is fallacious to equivocate the model and the phenomenon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 02:20:39 No.13534752 Report

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>>13534723
>exhibit flaws in logic.
What flaws?
>This is a model of the thing but not the thing in itself.
This is not a very useful or meaningful distinction when talking about the fundamental physics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 02:23:15 No.13534759 Report

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>>13533587
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 02:32:31 No.13534781 Report

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>>13533392
>at any point in time the arrow is motionless
wrong. not even close.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 02:40:24 No.13534790 Report

Quoted By: >>13536181

>>13533587
>mathematical concept
It's a concept in temporal logic, dumbass.
I'm so sick and tired of logiclets not understanding the difference between logic and mathematics.
You people are the reason why philosophers don't get their due. Philosophers do all of the hard work and you guys just fuck around with numbers like monkeys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 03:12:26 No.13534852 Report

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>>13533392
Objects aren't just a position. They have for example a velocity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 09:15:00 No.13535551 Report

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>>13533392
physical things exist a a probability density and not an acute point, our senses are a part of the illusion that they are at one point definitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 09:26:39 No.13535573 Report

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>>13533414
Leibniz notation is actually more fitting here than prime notation since it notates change in position directly. Although I do agree Newton notation is neater

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 12:50:20 No.13535911 Report

Quoted By: >>13535926

Planck lenght Planck time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 12:54:29 No.13535917 Report

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>>13533430
There are no "instants" only "durations".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 12:57:40 No.13535923 Report

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>>13533928
An instant is a zero dimension point on a temporal line, it has no extension (duration).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 12:59:49 No.13535926 Report

Quoted By: >>13536284

>>13535911
>teleportation across instants will solve the problem
Wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 13:37:32 No.13535999 Report

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>>13533392
World's moving around it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 13:43:27 No.13536012 Report

Quoted By: >>13536116

>>13533392
Movement is real, it is the motion of objects in relation to one another's path which causes the posterior attribute we call time.
The arrow passes through infinite points in space but is never motionless, never without "time".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 14:27:32 No.13536116 Report

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>>13536012
Circular argument, there can't be a "posterior attribute" that causes time because the existence of a posterior-as-such requires time to exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 14:36:55 No.13536129 Report

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>>13533424
I'll translate the answer for you:

/sci/ is clueless

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Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 14:59:03 No.13536181 Report

Quoted By: >>13536987

>>13534790
What books do I read, logic-sama?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 15:32:03 No.13536284 Report

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>>13535926
No, it just nullify the premise of this paradox. An arrow does not just occupy one position. Therefore spending any more amount of time on this shitty paradox is useless

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Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 15:41:10 No.13536315 Report

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>>13533409
>>13533414
here is the superior notation

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Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 15:54:32 No.13536351 Report

Quoted By: >>13536808

>>13533392
>>13533436
I already explained this for you brainlets. Yes reality is discrete but not like you can conceptualize. Some things aren't meant for monke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 17:58:15 No.13536808 Report

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>>13536351
>Yes reality is discrete
proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 18:46:41 No.13536987 Report

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>>13536181
Aristotle’s Modal Syllogisms: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=1BEE7C340F4B1A0CB7CB58DF277A3AD5
Mathematical Fallacies and Paradoxes: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=1FD750B845F12875536B1CF9C97CD8F6
Fallacies and Argument Appraisal: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=1D4EA576491B960A6A0243DC4852BAC0
Understanding Symbolic Logic: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=1497607DE0F461851ACD607F30084359
Logic With Trees: An Introduction to Symbolic Logic: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=CD1F053E5499CFA7832A5E190E3F9970
Modal Logic for Philosophers: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=19A6BF55D9F814835066D32D080413EF
Tools and Techniques in Modal Logic: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=9303230E29392A0DF93C90FC735E6C89
Carneades.org videos on Youtube.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 18:57:25 No.13537039 Report

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>>13533414
>doesn't know differentials

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 19:00:40 No.13537054 Report

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>>13533392
it's called Calculus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 19:06:13 No.13537070 Report

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>>13533424
absolute brainlet lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Aug 2021 19:07:59 No.13537077 Report

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>>13533624
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Aug 2021 11:11:01 No.13539915 Report

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>>13533392
you cant add points together

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