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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 05:10:38 2019 No.10553182 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10553189 >>10553200 >>10553220 >>10553269 >>10553271 >>10553330 >>10553360 >>10553429 >>10553433

So what does this mean? I'm not a code monkey but sounds like she didn't single handedly develop their program. If she indeed developed it all on her own then this beta onions male wouldn't hesitate to give her all the credit. However, he clearly labels it as a group work. Seems like this narcissistic bitch and the media were lying to us.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:12:04 No.10553185 Report

Quoted By: >>10553189

Check this out

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:14:29 No.10553189 Report

Quoted By: >>10553191

>>10553182
>>10553185
Science is always a group effort.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:15:35 No.10553190 Report

Quoted By: >>10553269 >>10553271 >>10553470

This has all been done to death, kids.
No need for speculation or debate at this point.
Just check the archive or read Chael's twitter feed for his masterpiece of humble-bragging and sorting out the Bouman contribution.

/thread

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:15:38 No.10553191 Report

Quoted By: >>10553267

>>10553189
>your work isn't even used
>take all the credit anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:18:11 No.10553195 Report

Quoted By: >>10553252 >>10553269 >>10553271

Btw before making any white knight posts: Google 'katie bouman' and then google 'andrew chael'.
Nobody gives a fuck about this guy, while she gets all the praise. And now this guy is making a post trying get her even more praise - what the fuck. If anything this bitch should be the one to shift some praise to him.
However, all she does is enjoy the false attention in silence and post girly instagram shit.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:23:05 No.10553200 Report

Quoted By: >>10553212

>>10553182
Is Katie putting herself out there? Or was it the media looking for a woman's face to encourage women to get into STEM?

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:26:54 No.10553212 Report

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>>10553200
>looking for a woman's face to encourage women to get into STEM
Cringe and bluepilled. This has nothing to do with STEM. Women receiving all the credit for a work that was mostly done by men happens everywhere.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:29:20 No.10553219 Report

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katie bouman meredith perry melissa mayer elizabeth holmes are all sweeety wovely muffins shut the fuck up you jock troll bastards

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:30:19 No.10553220 Report

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>>10553182

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:33:14 No.10553227 Report

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>>10553212
I'm just saying the motivation of the media is usually the feminist one of we need to show more women leaders in *insert any high status industry*.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:37:27 No.10553233 Report

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>>10553220
No-no-no, it's wrong. It's ANOTHER algorithm (CHIRP), dude.
And THIS algorithn was NOT used. It's how media manipulate.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:37:29 No.10553234 Report

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>>10553220
That is from 2016 you dumb shill. Check this out:
https://mobile.twitter.com/sparse_k/status/1116785802367918080
He clearly says that her algorithm from 2015 was NOT used.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:44:42 No.10553249 Report

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>>10553227
It's because modern journalism works like this
>Someone makes social media post about herself waiting for the results
>Shitty blogs see this and posts it out of context making up the rest
>Slightly better news source sees this and reports on it, making even more mistakes
>News reports on it, does a bit of research to correct some flaws, but don't want to contradict the general opinion because a woman doing something good is great optics
>Other news sees news and just rewrites it a bit
>Everything is spammed with wrong shit
>People correct it, but media is to full of themselves to admit it and doubles down
Just look at the number of made up stories /pol/ has managed to get into the news with just a si gle social media post and lots of people sharing it. Look at the spread of Eliot Rogers 'he was addicted to creatine' shit because a single guy in social media trolled a single journalist. There is definitely a overarching conspiracy to change public opinion by the media, but in 90% of the cases it's just (or majority based on) incompetence.

I've been in pol threads where me make shit up, t to picked up by the newest, then 2 days later when they figure out it's from pol they release a small article with obscure title that says 'turns out that front page story was made up, but even so something almost like it *could* be true, so were still correct!'

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:45:21 No.10553252 Report

Quoted By: >>10553260 >>10553269 >>10553295

>>10553195
Alright, I think this is the optimal moment to unpack my analysis of the matter.

So the reason I hold the perspective that I do is that everyone has a different personality. In this specific event, some people have stage fright, while others are more outgoing and can shine in the limelight without flailing in humility.

What /pol/ hates, then, about Katie, is precisely that she is the type of person who fills others with a sense of glee, excitement, and wonder. Now, this probably doesn't appease the meme gods, but the point isn't that her personality is the one that draws the attention. That's already known. I plan to show a subtler mechanism, that makes a much larger point that has been largely overlooked in the dialogue I've seen in these threads.

I won't say science is hard (even though it is) because that's not the critical factor here. The fact is, science can be exceedingly tedious at times, the path forward, confusing, unclear, or downright obfuscated from human awareness and reasoning. These problems can seem intractable at times, and the issue is often less about the complexity of problem, than this:

Motivation.

You might not like hearing it, but the fact is, when you have someone like Katie in the room, you are more motivated. On an instinctive level, you will be ready to do more work, to put in more effort. That "positivity that fills the room" is a powerful cognitive force, and it can even lead to or drive the power to discover new things. It might seem like these people have a solid sense of what they want to do with their lives, but that's just an illusion. Every code monkey everywhere is going to be just as uncertain about the world as your average /r9k/ robot, and that's the truth. They aren't immune to doubt, questioning where their life has brought them, and what worth they have as human beings, to push these grand endeavors forward. They doubt. They flail. They are human like the rest of us.

The fact is, having someone whose ENERGY

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:47:54 No.10553260 Report

Quoted By: >>10553269

>>10553252 actually MAKES you want to find meaning in the world can help your brain get in the mood to solve hard problems.

So when they say that it wouldn't be possible without her, it really is less about what you want it to be about, and more about the applied physics.

Of human emotion, and motivation.

Without that energy, it might not have happened at all.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:51:26 No.10553267 Report

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>>10553191

Millennials in science should be seen and not heard

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:52:52 No.10553269 Report

Quoted By: >>10553279 >>10553291 >>10553304

>>10553182
>>10553190
>>10553195
>>10553220
>>10553233
>>10553234
>>10553249
>>10553252
>>10553260
The Japanese guy who is the co-leader of the American team is blaming MIT's twitter account for creating these misleading articles on Katie since MIT did not bother fact checking with the team, before tweeting.

https://twitter.com/sparse_k/status/1116785802367918080

>A-1) Many articles implied that her algorithm from 2015 was specifically used to get the first reconstruction of a black hole when many of us generated the first images simultaneously with many different techniques; this was probably from misleading tweets by @MIT_CSAIL on 4/10
1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
Kazu Akiyama
@sparse_k
2h2 hours ago

>(A-2) She is not at fault for these tweets; she was not involved in these tweets and she has nothing to do with them. I believe no one in the imaging group (even me at MIT) got contacted by them for fact checks.
1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes

Basically, the Japanese guy named Kazu Akiyama blames the person running MIT CSAIL's twitter account for jumping the gun and not even once fact checking with the team members who were on campus.

Half the blame should be on MIT and the other half on the Media.

Due to MIT's aggressive PR campaign, it hurt the project.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:54:16 No.10553271 Report

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>>10553182
>>10553190
>>10553195
>>10553220
>>10553233
>>10553234
>>10553249
The Japanese guy who is the co-leader of the American team is blaming MIT's twitter account for creating these misleading articles on Katie since MIT did not bother fact checking with the team, before tweeting.

https://twitter.com/sparse_k/status/1116785802367918080

>A-1) Many articles implied that her algorithm from 2015 was specifically used to get the first reconstruction of a black hole when many of us generated the first images simultaneously with many different techniques; this was probably from misleading tweets by @MIT_CSAIL on 4/10
1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
Kazu Akiyama
@sparse_k
2h2 hours ago

>(A-2) She is not at fault for these tweets; she was not involved in these tweets and she has nothing to do with them. I believe no one in the imaging group (even me at MIT) got contacted by them for fact checks.
1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes

Basically, the Japanese guy named Kazu Akiyama blames the person running MIT CSAIL's twitter account for jumping the gun and not even once fact checking with the team members who were on campus.

Half the blame should be on MIT and the other half on the Media.

Due to MIT's aggressive PR campaign, it hurt the project.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:59:02 No.10553277 Report

Quoted By: >>10553283

>>10553249
>media news cycle of complex web of self-referential tautology

Yeah, that is unfortunately how lots of the media works. It is also how Wikipedia works. Where 'trusted sources' reference other 'trusted sources' who themselves picked up the story from a 'trusted source'. All it take is one site to write a story about it, then all the others write stories about it, and that makes it *true* in the eyes of some.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 05:59:18 No.10553279 Report

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>>10553269
Deleted tweet by MIT (pic)

BUT (!) MIT just quoted what Bouman wrote in her Facebook.
So everyone was misled by Bouman.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:02:05 No.10553283 Report

Quoted By: >>10553292 >>10553352

>>10553277
PDP did this, he changed his height on Google's infopane and referenced the video in which he changed his hight and said it's what Google's infopane said.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:07:37 No.10553291 Report

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>>10553269
Right, social media runs primarily on that same type of energetic spur-of-the-moment spontaneity that /pol/ has been to triggered by since they first started screenshotting Tweets about women taking over science. This is more a fault of social media, and to the extent that news outlets pay attention to social media without fact checking of their own, their fault as an extension of social media.

I'm really not trying to place blame here, because in my mind, if /pol/ hadn't lashed out as Tumblr-like appreciation of female scientists, then nobody on the team would have given a shit about who got credited for what. It's an amazing achievement, and I'm sure they don't mind that Katie shared anything.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:07:41 No.10553292 Report

Quoted By: >>10553298

>>10553283
>PDP did this,
is PDP Pewdipie?

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:08:56 No.10553295 Report

Quoted By: >>10553329

>>10553252
Is this what having autism is like? Based on the fact that she posts on social media and her colleagues don't you concluded that they are insecure losers who rely on her for motivation?

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:09:51 No.10553298 Report

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>>10553292
Yes

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:13:52 No.10553304 Report

Quoted By: >>10553320 >>10553369 >>10553373

>>10553269
>Half the blame should be on MIT and the other half on the Media.
Nonono. Please just take a look at what is going on. Her colleagues are trying to clarify all this with their posts HOWEVER she stays silent. This misunderstanding could have been cleared if she just did what her colleagues are doing now, as soon as the media started spreading lies.
BUT she does nothing. She stay silent and probably jerks off to all the undeserved attention. She is a narcissistic bitch and is at fault for not clarfying things.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:21:35 No.10553320 Report

Quoted By: >>10553369 >>10553373

>>10553304
You're absolutely right.
Two days ago with one post on Facebook she could have brought the right information to the people.

Materialistic bitch.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:22:32 No.10553322 Report

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>>10553220
>first black hole picture was taken by a EE/CS student
Oh no no no no no. Has /sci/ been btfo'd?

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:26:33 No.10553329 Report

Quoted By: >>10553460

>>10553295
No. I just know how that energy affects expression and relationships. It's not that it's likely the case that they'd never have gotten here without her, it's that if FELT better to have her there as extra motivation. I'm not going to fantasize about what might have happened in an alternate world, but in terms of common language and the hyperbole of, "couldn't have done it without her," I can see where they're coming from. It's not a parasitic relationship, but a mutualistic one. People are empathic like that, and she seems the type to light up a room.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:26:38 No.10553330 Report

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:34:42 No.10553352 Report

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>>10553283
So this is the power of the internet.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:37:16 No.10553360 Report

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>>10553182
Jesus Christ, everybody involved in the project contributed in some way. Blame the media for making it seem like this girl single handedly developed the code, and blame the incels for attacking her over sensationalized reporting.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:45:59 No.10553369 Report

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>>10553304
>>10553320
Is she would say anything you and other people would still look for another thing to bitch about. I'm not even trying to defend this, as I think it should be seen as a group effort. But stop saying she is to blame or that if she would say anything would help, because it will probaly make it worse.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:47:41 No.10553373 Report

Quoted By: >>10553379 >>10553384

>>10553320
>>10553304
You fucking morons. She clarified on her Facebook account days ago. Stop attacking my sciencefu

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:49:27 No.10553377 Report

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As always, the media did it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:49:51 No.10553379 Report

Quoted By: >>10553384

>>10553373
>he clarified on her Facebook account days ago
Nope.

Many people still believe in the lie that you know "Katie's algorithm was used"

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 06:53:38 No.10553384 Report

Quoted By: >>10553408

>>10553379
>>10553373
https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/1116775487420997632

MIT doing damage control 12 hours later and seems like a bunch of tweets got deleted.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:00:28 No.10553408 Report

Quoted By: >>10553414

>>10553384
All media in my country (Russia) says that she was leader of project / head of the team / creator of algorithm that was used.

All morons are writing about it now.

Fuck fake news.

And fucking MIT tweets have only ~200 retweets. Now everyone believes in a lie and the truth is not interesting to anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:03:07 No.10553414 Report

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>>10553408
*50 retweets & 200 likes
fixed

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:13:07 No.10553429 Report

Quoted By: >>10553433

>>10553182
Entire List of the Top Members of Event Horizon Telescope Project:

A) Management

1) Director: Shep Doeleman
2) Project Scientist: Dimitrios Psaltis
3) Project Manager: Remo Tilanus

B) Science Council

1) Keiichi Asada (ASIAA)
2) Geoffrey Bower (ASIAA) - Vice Chair
3) Heino Falcke (Radboud) - Chair
4) Vincent Fish (MIT)
5) Charles Gammie (U. Illinois)
6) Ciriaco Goddi (Radboud) - Secretary
7) Thomas Krichbaum (MPIfR)
8) Sera Markoff (U. Amsterdam)
9) Dan Marrone (U. Arizona)
10) Jim Moran (SAO/CfA)
11) Feryal Ozel (U. Arizona)

C) Working Group Coordinators

1) Instrumentation

Development: Gopal Narayanan, Jonathan Weintroub
Integration and Testing: Alan Roy, Andre Young, Satoki Matsushita
Array Coordination & Readiness: Remo Tilanus, David James
Monitoring and Control: Daan van Rossum, Nimesh Patel

2) Data Collection and Processing

Proposal Coordination: Michael Johnson, Eduardo Ros, Keiichi Asada, Sera Markoff
Science Operations: Vincent Fish, Thomas Krichbaum
Correlations: Walter Alef, Geoff Crew
Synthetic Data Generation: Vincent Fish, Roger Deane
Calibration and Error Analysis: Lindy Blackburn, Ilse van Bemmel

3) Data Analysis

Imaging: Michael Johnson, Kazunori Akiyama
Scattering: Geoff Bower, Ramesh Narayan
Time Variability: Dan Marrone
Polarimetry: Monika Mo?cibrodzka, Ivan Martí-Vidal

4) Near Horizon Science Utilization

Parameter Definition: Heino Falcke, Keiichi Asada
Theoretical Models and Simulations: Charles Gammie, Hung-Yi Pu, Yosuke Mizuno
Model Comparison and Feature Extraction: Jason Dexter, Feryal Özel

5) Beyond Horizon Science Utilization

Multiwavelength Science: Sera Markoff, Kazuhiro Hada
Active Galactic Nuclei: Svetlana Jorstad, Thomas Krichbaum, Neil Nagar
Pulsars: Jim Cordes, Michael Kramer, Scott Ransom

6) Products and Publicatons

Software and Data Compatibility: Chi-kwan Chan, Ciriaco Goddi
Publications: Laurent Loinard, Huib van Langevelde
Outreach: Mislav Balokovi?, Eduardo Ros, Fumie Tazaki

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:14:09 No.10553433 Report

Quoted By: >>10553436

>>10553182
>>10553429
Entire List of the 76 Institutes involved in the Event Horizon Telescope Project that were given Zero Attention and Credit by the Media:

This project was more than just a collab among just Caltech, Harvard, and MIT.

1) Aalto University
2) Academia Sinica Institute of Astronomy and Astrophysics
3) Brandeis University
4) Boston University
5) Los Alamos National Laboratory
6) California Institute of Technology
7) Canadian Institute for Advanced Research
8) Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics
9) Center for Astronomical Mega-Science, Chinese Academy of Sciences
10) Centro Astronómico de Yebes, Instituto Geográfico Nacional
11) Chalmers University of Technology, Onsala Space Observatory, Department of Space, Earth and Environment
12) Consejo Nacional de Ciencia y Tecnología
13) Cornell University, Cornell Center for Astrophysics and Planetary Science
14) East Asian Observatory
15) Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt
16) Google Research
17) Harvard University
18) Hiroshima University, Hiroshima Astrophysical Science Center
19) Huazhong University of Science and Technology, School of Physics
20) Instituto de Astronomía, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
21) Instituto de Astrofísica de Andalucía, Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Científicas
22) Institut de Radioastronomie Millimétrique
23) Instituto de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
24) Instituto Nacional de Astrofísica, Óptica y Electrónica
25) Istituto Nazionale di Astrofisica -- Istituto di Radioastronomia, Italian ALMA Regional Centre
26) Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare, Sezione di Napoli
27) Joint Institute for VLBI ERIC (JIVE)
28) Key Laboratory for Particle Astrophysics, Institute of High Energy Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences
29) Key Laboratory for Research in Galaxies and Cosmology, Chinese Academy of Sciences
30) Key Laboratory for the Structure and Evolution of Celestial Objects, Chinese Academy of Sciences

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:15:10 No.10553436 Report

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>>10553433
31) Key Laboratory of Radio Astron., Chinese Academy of Sciences
32) Kogakuin University of Technology Engineering
33) Korea Astronomy and Space Science Institute
34) Large Millimeter Telescope
35) Leiden University, Allegro / Leiden Observatory
36) Max Planck Institute for Radioastronomy
37) Max-Planck-Institut für extraterrestrische Physik
38) MIT Haystack Observatory
39) Nanjing University, Key Laboratory of Modern Astronomy and Astrophysics / School of Astronomy and Space Science
40) National Astronomical Observatory of Japan
41) National Optical Astronomical Observatory
42) National Radio Astronomical Observatory
43) National Sun Yat-Sen University, Physics Depatment
44) National Taiwan University, Department of Physics
45) Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research
46) Nederlandse Onderzoekschool voor Astronomie
47) Peking University, Department of Astronomy, School of Physics / Kavli Institute for Astronomy and Astrophysics
48) Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics
49) Radboud University
50) Rhodes University, Centre for Radio Astronomy Techniques and Technologies, Department of Physics and Electronics
51) Seoul National University, Department of Physics and Astronomy
52) School of Astronomy and Space Sciences, University of Chinese Academy of Sciences
53) Shanghai Astronomical Observatory, Chinese Academy of Sciences
54) Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
55) Tohoku University, Astronomy Institute / Frontier Research Institute for Interdisciplinary Sciences
56) The Graduate University for Advanced Studies (SOKENDAI), Department of Statistical Science / Department of Astronomical Science
57) The Institute of Statistical Mathematics
58) The University of Tokyo, Department of Astronomy, Graduate School of Science / Kavli Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe
59) Universidad de Concepción, Astronomy Department
60) Universitat de València (Departament d'Astronomia i Astrofísica / Observatori Astronòmic)

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:16:11 No.10553440 Report

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>>10553436
61) University College London, Mullard Space Science Laboratory
62) University of Amsterdam, Anton Pannekoek Institute & GRAPPA
63) University of Arizona
64) University of California Berkeley, Radio Astronomy Laboratory
65) University of California Santa Barbara, Department of Physics
66) University of Chicago
67) University of Illinois, Department of Astronomy / Department of Physics
68) University of Massachusetts Amherst, Department of Astronomy
69) University of Pretoria, Department of Physics
70) University of St. Petersburg, Astronomy Institute
71) University of Science and Technology
72) University of Science and Technology of China, Astronomy Department
73) University of Toronto, Dunlap Institute for Astronomy and Astrophysics
74) University of Waterloo, Waterloo Center for Astrophysics / Department of Physics and Astronomy
75) Yonsei University, Department of Astronomy
76) Yunnan Observatories, Chinese Academy of Sciences

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:27:51 No.10553460 Report

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>>10553329
>i know this just trust me on this one k again i just know this

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Anonymous Sat 13 Apr 2019 07:30:24 No.10553470 Report

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>>10553190
>/threading your own post
Faggot newfag DIE DIE DIE

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