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Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 08:42:37 2019 No.10397151 View Reply Original Report

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If you are in STEM you should be fighting tooth and nail to make STEM education as inaccessible as possible

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 09:17:15 No.10397212 Report

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>>10397151
1. I'm not just trying to make maximum salary or I wouldn't have went into STEM research in the first place.
2. I have more than enough job security because I don't suck.
3. I work in the defense sector and we need more STEM educated people for our national security.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 09:34:16 No.10397243 Report

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>>10397151
>fighting tooth and nail
people don't fight *tooth and nail* any more, Grandpa

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 09:42:36 No.10397264 Report

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>>10397212
>we need more STEM educated people for our national security.
*we need more STEM educated people for defense contractors to have better profit margins

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 09:45:51 No.10397266 Report

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>>10397151
Thank you anon, duely noted. I often slap people in the street just for thinking about numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 09:46:48 No.10397268 Report

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>>10397212
>3. I work in the defense sector and we need more STEM educated people for our national security.
The 200 applications you get for each job isn't enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 09:58:24 No.10397284 Report

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>>10397264
They can both be true.

>>10397268
Not only do we not get anywhere near that many applicants, the vast majority of them are completely unqualified. In my case, the number of people graduating every few years with the specializations we require could be counted on one or two hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:14:28 No.10397315 Report

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>>10397212
How do I make my application more attractive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:20:01 No.10397323 Report

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>>10397151
Very true. People say to low skill workers just learn to code or upskill but all jobs are at risk of either outsourcing, automation or both.

There 6 billion people out there, China has 1.6 billion India 1.1 billion. If you plot the distribution for intelligence in those countries there are people who can easily take your job. Doesn't matter whether you're in engineering, law, IT, etc.

The solution isn't really to make it inaccessible. I mean college has become a joke, and it's become increasingly easier to pass (even in STEM!!!). In engineering the barrier to entry is a 4 year degree and the PE exam.

The solution should be legally stop offshoring and H1B visas. However discourse on immigration has been hijacked by the far left who are backed by globalists who benefit from cheap, imported labor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:21:03 No.10397326 Report

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>>10397212
3 is BS. They say that but they really mean is they want to flood the market with workers so they can pay you less and foist shittier work conditions on people. You're a utter retard for thinking they're being sincere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:22:24 No.10397329 Report

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>>10397284
> the vast majority of them are completely unqualified. In my case, the number of people graduating every few years with the specializations we require could be counted on one or two hands.
You revealed yourself a boomer or just really retarded. You could easily train people but whenever employers like you get too picky it just means you have some pajeet you're ready to import but you need to get through the hurdles before you do so.

>>10397315
He's a faggot. Be a pajeet or be willing to work 60-80 hours a week for 40k salary. That's what he means by qualified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:26:09 No.10397334 Report

Quoted By: >>10400723 >>10401974

>>10397315
You application for what exactly? I would need some details about you and your goals to give you good advice.

>>10397326
Don't be arrogant when you don't even know what you're talking about. I'm not event talking about defense contractors, I'm talking about the actual government and their inability to fill their own positions with qualified people since they do not exist at anywhere near the rates necessary to deal with the national security problems we are currently facing. Of course the contractors just want more money. Your view of the defense sector is clearly limited.

>>10397329
I'm not an employer. I'm a researcher.
>You could easily train people
No, we absolutely could not without insane costs of getting them up to muster and would not even be worth it. What we need is more good qualified students with advanced education coming out of top labs. They are very difficult to come by and when the do graduate the competition is very high to get them. I'm talking about specializations that take years to get. You can't train that shit on the job with any decent return on investment.

We could never even hire a non US citizen wtf are you even talking about. This isn't facebook. You clearly don't understand the defense sector

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:37:46 No.10397351 Report

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>>10397151

Why?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:44:59 No.10397364 Report

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I don't know if I agree or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:50:38 No.10397370 Report

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>>10397284
>They can both be true.
Not really. By flooding the market with lower IQ engineers you drive down the prices and thus force more capable engineers out of the market. Result is that you have more of less capable engineers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:51:38 No.10397374 Report

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>>10397351
Because 1 out of 250 applicants gets the job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:51:51 No.10397376 Report

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>>10397364
That depends on whether you like getting paid for your work or you just like getting fucked in the ass doing much harder work than others for the same pay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:51:52 No.10397377 Report

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>>10397323
This. Why pay a citizen $100K to have a comfy life when you can pay a sponsored foreigner $50K

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:52:28 No.10397378 Report

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>>10397323
>The solution should be legally stop offshoring and H1B visas. However discourse on immigration has been hijacked by the far left who are backed by globalists who benefit from cheap, imported labor.
don't worry trump will save us

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Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:53:01 No.10397379 Report

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Leaving this here

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:53:29 No.10397381 Report

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>>10397284
What you're saying is you want to get the best of the best without increasing pay. That's why you have a shortage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:55:04 No.10397382 Report

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>>10397376
No, it depends on what is best for the human civilization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:56:48 No.10397383 Report

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>>10397379
>be best
>ace everything
>get all the job offers
>decide to live in the woods
>compynies are fucked
>life is beautiful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:58:54 No.10397384 Report

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>>10397383
If we reduced people in STEM by 99.6%, every job application would result in getting a job. That's why we must reduce stem by 99.6%

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:02:16 No.10397389 Report

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>>10397384
You just can't disprove logic!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:02:24 No.10397390 Report

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>>10397212
ZOG doesn’t need any more help than it already has and neither do the chinks or russians.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:04:21 No.10397391 Report

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>>10397389
Don't trust the unemployment statistics.
People who have given up aren't taken into consideration. Neither are people who work at McDonald's while they have a PhD or a degree.
Most people aren't doing the job they went to college for. They're coping. Letting people into STEM only ruins their lives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:04:51 No.10397392 Report

Quoted By: >>10397399

>>10397382
You working 80 hour work weeks on products that are no better than what already exists and driving down the pay for others in the field in the process benefits nobody.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:06:09 No.10397393 Report

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>>10397382
Unemployment is bad for human civilization. Shut down 99.6% of universities and colleges and you'll see more growth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:13:41 No.10397397 Report

Quoted By: >>10397422

>>10397323
>The solution should be legally stop offshoring and H1B visas.
This is your brain on right wing retardation

Literally 95% of published research in the US is by immigrants, mostly from China, Europe... Get out your mom's basement and make some connections to know that brain immigration is a bliss on every country

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:16:53 No.10397399 Report

Quoted By: >>10397401

>>10397392
>>10397393
I think this way to look at it is a little limited or short sighted.
Education in and on itself should be made as widely available as possible.
When it comes to jobs it is good for the companies to have a wide field of applicants.

>Working at McDonald with a high degree
If thats the case you have literally no one to blame but yourself. Pick up another skill and make yourself useful.
Warning! Big "redpill" incoming!
Life can be harsh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:18:35 No.10397401 Report

Quoted By: >>10397404

>>10397399
>it is good for the companies
Based KIKE.
I can hear your hands rubbing from all the way over here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:23:06 No.10397404 Report

Quoted By: >>10397408

>>10397401
For someone who is into /sci/ you are very kikeish yourself.
Fuck free market and survival of the fittest! Command economy! We have had a jolly good time with it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:26:30 No.10397408 Report

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>>10397404
Education and degrees aren't a free economy. People shouldn't get into debt so they can become one of 249 that won't get the job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:28:27 No.10397410 Report

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>>10397151
>If you are in STEM you should kill yourself
ftfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:29:20 No.10397411 Report

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>>10397408
>people shouldn't fuck up
well duh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:30:52 No.10397412 Report

Quoted By: >>10397421

>>10397411
>inb4 everyone deserves to get into debt if they consent
Sure but the state banks get bankrupt if people never pay back the debt and all the dominos fall.
You're letting people waste money for useless degrees and the same people get away with it by leeching on the state for the rest of their lives or leaving the country for another one.
Sure go ahead. Student debt will crash the economy next

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:34:56 No.10397417 Report

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>>10397411
actually people shut fuck as much as possible and learn from their mistakes

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Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:37:15 No.10397419 Report

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>>10397410
I'd prefer if the others did so I could get a decently paid job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:37:46 No.10397421 Report

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>>10397412
If the banks would have the possibility to gauge the risks accurately that would not be a problem.

I think you are looking for the problem at the wrong place.

Plus the next crisis will not come from the student loans but from bubbles in China and the giant fuckupps in the E.U.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:38:14 No.10397422 Report

Quoted By: >>10398063

>>10397397
Lol low iq redditor

Funny how most research coming out of unis is utter junk with abysmal replication rates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:40:22 No.10397428 Report

Quoted By: >>10397433

>>10397151
STEM people are some of the most insecure asshats on the planet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:43:11 No.10397433 Report

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>>10397428
So?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:43:41 No.10397434 Report

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>>10397421
Yeah sure the solution is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps 2020 MAGA.
Poor people get punished on their own aye!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:45:46 No.10397441 Report

Quoted By: >>10397446

>>10397421
The bank's aren't regulated because of people like you.
If the banks stopped giving out loans that would by default shut down education and that's a good thing. Universities are simply funnelling money from banks.
Shut down education save the economy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 11:52:14 No.10397446 Report

Quoted By: >>10397454

>>10397434
Never said this. Not even implied it.

>>10397441
The last crash happened because of regulation. The banks are forced to give out rotten credits.

There are major problems in the education system and the costs of education, that is true. And sadly there are a lot of people who benefit from this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 12:09:19 No.10397454 Report

Quoted By: >>10397456

>>10397446
>The last crash happened because of regulation
Not in my country.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 12:14:57 No.10397456 Report

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>>10397454
I don't know where you are from so I have no good reply to this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 12:33:02 No.10397479 Report

Quoted By: >>10397485

It's just economics. The fewer people know how to do what I know how to do, the more I can charge the buyers of my labour.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 12:36:32 No.10397485 Report

Quoted By: >>10397530 >>10397549 >>10399967

>>10397479
No competition no growth

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 13:18:07 No.10397530 Report

Quoted By: >>10397546 >>10397577

>>10397485
(((growth))) of what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 13:27:58 No.10397546 Report

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>>10397530
muscle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 13:30:39 No.10397549 Report

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>>10397485
competition, no growth (of my retirement fund)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 13:46:42 No.10397577 Report

Quoted By: >>10397600 >>10398045 >>10398059

>>10397530
Ohh here we fucking go...
Read a fucking book sometimes. It won't physically hurt. I promise.

Iamgine a town with a cetain demand of shit.
4 shits to be exact.
People will buy this shit no matter what.
You are in the lucky position of a shit supplier. You can sustain yourself because of your shit.
No matter what happens, people will buy your shit.

So why should you produce high quality, french cuisine shit when you can stuff your face with junkfood? The result is the same so you skip all the cooking and just rub one out and stuff your face with junkfood.

!WARNING! A WILD COMPETETOR APPEARS!

An additional person who offers shit for a lower price.
He is threatening your market, the thing you need to sustain yourself!
You can either drop out or he takes part of your share (people don't like it if others take stuff awaay from them) or improve the quality of your shit to stay in the game.

May the best shit win!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 13:56:44 No.10397600 Report

Quoted By: >>10397611

>>10397577
So now you both make half the money while working 10 times as hard while still ultimately just producing shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 14:03:22 No.10397611 Report

Quoted By: >>10397617

>>10397600
You are right.
As long as horse carriages and cars are the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 14:07:14 No.10397617 Report

Quoted By: >>10397624

>>10397611
You don't go from horse carriages to cars by flooding the market with underqualified engineers.

A single 140IQ engineer can do much more innivation than a team of 120IQ engineers. The 120s are only better for parallelizing tasks that are not cognitively limited at their tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 14:10:29 No.10397624 Report

Quoted By: >>10397678 >>10397724

>>10397617
And a 120IQ Fineman can do a lot more than a bunch of 140IQ engeneers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 14:38:28 No.10397664 Report

Quoted By: >>10397679

Dont join oversaturated fields. It's literally that simple

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 14:43:16 No.10397678 Report

Quoted By: >>10397698

>>10397624
Feynman did not have 125IQ. He was allegedly tested at 125. As you surely know, any individual IQ test is just an approximator for the hidden variable g that roughly represents the intuitive notion of intelligence. Give the man more IQ tests and they will converge quite a bit higher.

The dude was a national level mathematician even in highschool. His IQ can't have been below 160.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 14:44:19 No.10397679 Report

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>>10397664
The field is only oversaturated because corpo-backed government initiatives drive people not interested in the field and not capable in the field to join the job market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 14:55:08 No.10397698 Report

Quoted By: >>10397843

>>10397678
That or IQ is simply pseudo-science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 15:08:34 No.10397724 Report

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>>10397624
Yeah 120 IQ can do alot with 100k a year. Imagine his motivation compared to a bunch of 140 IQ engineers working for 15k a year.
Now stop overflooding the market with people who lower the salaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 16:07:21 No.10397843 Report

Quoted By: >>10397942 >>10399994

>>10397698
IQ is the best single predictor of success. It's a very useful statistical abstraction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 16:41:22 No.10397923 Report

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>be enginigger
>join the field for pure money, constantly laugh at every other degree that isn't big boy business for being poor
>your dream job involves doing technician's job but with a degree that entitles you to more money
>but then someone opened the pajeet valve
>thousands of creme de la creme Indians flooded your market
>they are only in for the money, the difference being they work harder and for less, because money just means that much more to them
>everyone decided you're expendable, your IQ is expendable, your degree is expendable, your work ethic is expendable
>go on Vietnamese basket weaving forum to post how indispensable you're and that the rich people doing business know nothing about your real worth

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 16:51:56 No.10397942 Report

Quoted By: >>10398286

>>10397843
But the way IQ is tested isn't.
People only predict other people's IQ based on their success, not that mensa cerification

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:10:46 No.10398000 Report

Quoted By: >>10398007

>>10397268
Only 200? It took me 450 plus a personal connection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:12:58 No.10398007 Report

Quoted By: >>10398012

>>10398000
At least the next job is easier right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:15:09 No.10398012 Report

Quoted By: >>10398025

>>10398007
Fuck no. I won't have a personal connection when I apply somewhere else. and my current job fucking sucks but it was all I could get.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:16:43 No.10398019 Report

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Plz Trump stahp the pajeets from destroying our job market for gahd's sake

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:18:15 No.10398025 Report

Quoted By: >>10398032

>>10398012
Was it a big company?
I've heard multinationals get 450+ applicants

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:19:51 No.10398032 Report

Quoted By: >>10398040

>>10398025
We have 200 employees at my current job. The ex-sorority girls in charge of HR should be shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:22:38 No.10398040 Report

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>>10398032
Based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:24:23 No.10398045 Report

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>>10397577
competition might be okay if there were like 6-7 people to give 4 shits, not 100

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:29:18 No.10398059 Report

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>>10397577
And then 250 people appear and only one of them makes it in. How is that fair?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:30:47 No.10398063 Report

Quoted By: >>10399441

>>10397422
When you grow up, you'll realize how cringy you are with your stupid racism.
Don't worry I was like you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:32:32 No.10398067 Report

Quoted By: >>10398072 >>10398294

Some people are actually interested in their major shithead stoner

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:33:09 No.10398069 Report

Quoted By: >>10399542

>>10397212
kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:34:12 No.10398072 Report

Quoted By: >>10398100

>>10398067
Just wait until you have to look for a job...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:38:27 No.10398082 Report

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What if i don't want to be a wagecuck, frogposter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 17:48:14 No.10398100 Report

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>>10398072
What if I alredy have a job? As a physicist in an actual company, no less.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 18:57:53 No.10398253 Report

Quoted By: >>10398257

>ITT:Entitled NEETs complain that businesses see them as worthless next to hard working Pajeets and Changs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 18:58:58 No.10398257 Report

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>>10398253
I'm a pajeet though. Muje unki zaban ati hai. The issue is that employers want to pay me peanuts because I am not white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 19:11:22 No.10398286 Report

Quoted By: >>10398324

>>10397942
No, the test is generally a good predictor. A few outliers do not undo the overall high correlation. Why is everybody who whines about IQ tests completely unfamiliar with statistics 101?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 19:13:37 No.10398294 Report

Quoted By: >>10398388

>>10398067
yeah guess what, your job is gonna be
>sitting around filling spreadsheets
or
>sitting around drawing single parts/formatting documentation
or
>coding but for much less pay since it's a niche area, the product has tight profit margins and your job title is "engineer" and not "programmer"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 19:25:40 No.10398324 Report

Quoted By: >>10398406

>>10398286
Statistics don't work.
Theoretical math doesn't fit the real World

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 19:57:30 No.10398388 Report

Quoted By: >>10398441 >>10398970

>>10398294
>coding but for much less pay since it's a niche area
This is a double-edged sword actually, if it is really niche they will have a very hard time finding someone qualified to do the job so the pay will be good.
You can find javascript programmers below every stone, why pay them weel?
But what if you need a skilled cobol, perl or asm programmer? There are fewer and fewer as the time goes by.
Or some other more modern specific proprietary obscure language nobody knows, applies the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 20:03:43 No.10398406 Report

Quoted By: >>10398439

>>10398324
>t. brainlet

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 20:05:25 No.10398411 Report

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>>10397315
Say you are transgender and wear a wig and makeup to your interview.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 20:21:12 No.10398439 Report

Quoted By: >>10401764

>>10398406
I AM LIVID!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 20:22:37 No.10398441 Report

Quoted By: >>10398473

>>10398388
That's a nice hypothetical scenario, but back in reality the opposite is true. The more specialized of a field you work in, the lower the margins and the lower your salary. Embedded programmers make shit pay in comparison to javascript soibois. You're falling for the "life is fair" fallacy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 20:35:22 No.10398473 Report

Quoted By: >>10398751 >>10399736 >>10402262 >>10402272

>>10398441
Yeah it generally happens that way, but I have seen the opposite. Not sure I understand what exactly causes it though.
Why do big supermarket employees earn minimum wage then when the owners make millions?
Or why do common engineers, not niche, but Electrical, Food/Chemical, Hydraulic Engineers, things that are always required in abundance? This are valuable things. Food is one of the most profitable markets.
So why in particular do barely skilled manchildren that didn't even finish highschool earn so much to write some javascript that any script kiddy could? I really don't get it. Even if the product they make is worth a lot, what they do isn't special at all. What is the factor that makes them apart? Is there really so much work that despite having 3 "coders" per block it still isn't enough to supply the demand? Is that it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 20:47:13 No.10398493 Report

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>>10397374

Oh. You're one of those who thinks that the purpose of education is to secure employment. That explains it, never mind then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 21:04:00 No.10398534 Report

Quoted By: >>10398549

>>10397323
This, thats why any CS major right now hates his life.

please STAY THE FUCK AWAY from physical science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 21:10:52 No.10398549 Report

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>>10398534
>thats why any CS major right now hates his life.
They hate their life because they realize late they studied a science degree because of "muh big bucks", "muh codemonkeying" or "i want to make videogaymes xd" and it isn't what they expected, CS doesn't even prepare you for those kinds of jobs to begin with.
They deserve it.
I actually respect actual Computer Scientists, they are part of the future. Its just that today only 1% of them falls into this category, the rest are just lazy manchildren clowns with delusions of grandeur, I hope you all get hit by a truck :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Feb 2019 22:38:57 No.10398751 Report

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>>10398473
they're working on making javascripting with a CS degree worth 30-40k don't worry. Look at how many CS people exist compared to other majors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 00:42:59 No.10398970 Report

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>>10398388
That's not how it works moron. In specialized areas you find overspecialized workers and employers with tighter profit margins. The demand is also much, much lower. Just look at PLCs or embedded systems. You work basically as much as any backend webdev but you will be lucky to make 25% of what they make. And that's with having to design and troubleshoot wiring on top of everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 04:04:28 No.10399353 Report

Quoted By: >>10399366

>>10397329
Am a pajeet, can confirm. 80 hours a week minimum, no overtime pay, no Holiday's, all for around 30-40k US dollars.
Graduated with mechanical engineering degree, goes without saying, i work in IT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 04:10:52 No.10399366 Report

Quoted By: >>10400106

>>10399353
>Works 8 hours a day 10 days a week

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 04:41:46 No.10399441 Report

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>>10398063

Nobody cares. Stop arguing, please.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 05:20:18 No.10399503 Report

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I'm a couple semesters away from being certified to teach mathematics and there is nothing you can do to stop me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 05:46:39 No.10399542 Report

Quoted By:

>>10398069
cry harder commie faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 08:09:55 No.10399736 Report

Quoted By:

>>10398473
Those coders who barely finished high school still have jobs that require more knowledge and effort than typical jobs performed by bachelor degree holders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 12:15:56 No.10399967 Report

Quoted By:

>>10397485
Yes, but why do you assume I am so altruistic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 12:35:43 No.10399994 Report

Quoted By: >>10400051

>>10397843
It's markedly not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 13:05:51 No.10400041 Report

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>>10397212
>3. I work in the defense sector and we need more STEM educated people for our national security.
For (((our))) national security

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 13:08:33 No.10400051 Report

Quoted By:

>>10399994
show me a better single predictor then

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 13:47:47 No.10400106 Report

Quoted By:

>>10399366
No you dweeb, i work like 8am to 7pm everyday.
Easily 11 hours a day, you do the math.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Feb 2019 19:03:45 No.10400723 Report

Quoted By:

>>10397334
>it's too expensive for us the trillion dollar industri to educate people
>it's not too expensive for a single person to pay for the education himself and and then have 1% chance to be hired after sucking some corporate cuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 01:28:09 No.10401722 Report

Quoted By:

>>10397419
You’d be one of those that wouldn’t get in you stupid bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 01:41:58 No.10401764 Report

Quoted By:

>>10398439
FAKIN FYOOMIN

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 01:51:22 No.10401791 Report

Quoted By: >>10401813 >>10401865

>>10397212
Imagine using your scientific knowledge to help corporations murder innocent people for oil and profit. kys

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 02:03:46 No.10401813 Report

Quoted By:

>>10401791
>people

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 02:28:14 No.10401865 Report

Quoted By: >>10402637

>>10401791
i would certainly have to use my imagination because that's not even remotely close to what i'm doing you ignorant retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 03:21:15 No.10401974 Report

Quoted By: >>10402741

>>10397334
Same anon, I'm in Electrical Engineering, I mean how do I get a defense job? I'm fine with anything but I have more experience with code than hardware since I actually prefer software.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 06:15:41 No.10402262 Report

Quoted By:

>>10398473
Software development is harder than what 95% of people do for living. Stop falling for memes.

How to get QT asian waifu

How to get QT asian waifu Wed 20 Feb 2019 06:23:18 No.10402272 Report

Quoted By: >>10402285

>>10398473
Consider the housing cost in soi valley. Also as someone who worked as a MEAN full-stack dev your "bonuses" are just stocks at your company. Your net pay for even me who worked up from intern to junior to mid level dev only netted me 80k when everything is said and done. I live a little away from SF but if you live in SF and work as a MERN stack or w.e. dev even earning 130k is nothing when you get taxed to shit and then have to pay like 3k for your shitty rented apartment.

tl;dr CA takes half of your earnings in their taxes and the rest is spent on housing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 06:32:48 No.10402285 Report

Quoted By:

>>10402272
It's only mater of time before the fires make the state a wasteland.

Give it time.

Do your part, burn your garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 11:48:47 No.10402637 Report

Quoted By:

>>10401865
You cause wars for Israel and the new world order.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 11:54:31 No.10402647 Report

Quoted By: >>10402931 >>10404289

>>10397151
Why tho? Why would you not want the public to know stem so as to increase the likelihood of them coming up with new discoveries?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 12:03:49 No.10402658 Report

Quoted By: >>10402690

>>10397151
I think the current way of filtering out student via merictoricy seems sutainable, atleast for the next decade.
Either way university is rarely about proving your intellgence and more about meeting certain criteria like : wealth, ability to listen and regurgitate facts etc.
CS for example has really high dropout rates in most of the civilized world. If you can make it to final year and you faked it, you should get a noble prize imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 12:30:29 No.10402686 Report

Quoted By:

>>10397151
>t. cs major slowly realizing how trivial his work is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 12:31:59 No.10402690 Report

Quoted By:

>>10402658
>CS for example has really high dropout rates in most of the civilized world. If you can make it to final year and you faked it, you should get a noble prize imo
Here's your (You) for that b8

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 13:26:12 No.10402741 Report

Quoted By: >>10404362

>>10401974
basically same way you get any job. have decent GPA, decent social skills, do some internships. better if you've worked with a professor who has connections and can recommend you specifically to people he collaborates with. there are so many internship programs within DoD and contractors that you're bound to get something even if you apply cold (assuming your application is decent)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Feb 2019 15:44:59 No.10402931 Report

Quoted By:

>>10402647
Do you want to work at McDonald's with a PhD? Because that is how you do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Feb 2019 00:58:29 No.10404289 Report

Quoted By:

>>10402647
Because we are competing for the same jobs and I want less competition so I can demand a higher salary. If everyone went into STEM, our jobs would pay $30,000 a year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Feb 2019 01:38:35 No.10404362 Report

Quoted By: >>10404501

>>10402741
Should I just shotgun apply to DoD and contractors' internship postings? I've been hitting a few big names but I got rejected from an internship program recently and I'm not sure what next steps to take yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Feb 2019 02:41:58 No.10404501 Report

Quoted By:

>>10404362
Sure, why not? There are hundreds of them and it shouldn't really take that much time if you have your resume and everything good to go, might want to tweak it towards each position though. And like i said it's better if you have some kind of connection

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