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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 20:22:23 2018 No.10085922 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10086040 >>10086207 >>10087326 >>10087333 >>10090537

Optical illusions exist, therefore consciousness is an illusion.

>In b4 trigniggered autisticals trying to fault this logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbWr3ODbAo

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 20:23:37 No.10085927 Report

Quoted By: >>10085984 >>10088995

Where's the actual argument?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 20:47:04 No.10085971 Report

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Dennett is a sophist. He just plays word games.

All of his arguments eventually boil down to some form of "I can't prove I'm right, but you can't prove I'm wrong".

Listen to his interview with Sam Harris. The entire interview is just Dennett changing the definitions of words as Sam hones in on trying to figure out what Dennett actually means.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 20:54:05 No.10085984 Report

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>>10085927
it's a complete non sequitur and dennet frankly seems like an idiot

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:09:02 No.10086005 Report

Quoted By: >>10086010 >>10086017 >>10086178 >>10088504 >>10089040 >>10089063

You'd have to be retarded to not believe consciousness is an illusion. Evolution creates nervous systems. At no point did it cross some magical threshold where the laws of physics were suddenly ignored. You aren't special, you're a meat robot. Get over it.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:11:08 No.10086010 Report

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>>10086005
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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:12:54 No.10086015 Report

Quoted By: >>10086022

>>10086010
What's funny is that your tiny /pol/ brain short-circuits when faced with realities you can't handle, so you post memes.

>comes from a board with an average IQ of literally 60 calling people NPCs
fucking christ

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:13:40 No.10086017 Report

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>>10086005
You’re an idiot. Stop trying to look smart. Get over it.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:15:46 No.10086022 Report

Quoted By: >>10086028 >>10086030

>>10086015
You're sitting there with a straight face claiming that you don't exist, and then you have the audacity to call other people tiny-brained. Do you understand how ridiculous the idea of a system claiming its non-existence is?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:17:27 No.10086028 Report

Quoted By: >>10086044

>>10086022
I think the retard confused “artificial” with “illusion”, which means something doesn’t actually exist. Even if consciousness doesn’t actually have free will and is just meat signals, it’s still there.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:18:28 No.10086030 Report

Quoted By: >>10086034 >>10086044

>>10086022
>chat bots aren't conscious, therefore they don't exist
You don't even understand the difference between existence and consciousness. If you believe consciousness exists, you are absolutely retarded.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:19:20 No.10086034 Report

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>>10086030
Oh, so you don’t subjectively experience reality. You are a philosophical zombie, according to yourself. Fucking lmao

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:21:01 No.10086040 Report

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>>10085922
WHAT MAKES SOMETHING AN OPTICAL ILLUSION AND NOT AN OPTICAL ILLUSION YOU STUPID CUNT!?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:21:46 No.10086044 Report

Quoted By: >>10086051 >>10086053 >>10086060

>>10086028
Probably so, but that doesn't make him any less of a retard. Yeah, ultimately something external has to decide how consciousness works, but that's inevitable and doesn't really even make free will impossible unless you define the term "wrong". To me free will is simply the ability to feel the act of making decisions. We have ample free will as humans, no matter where the decisions about decisions come from.

>>10086030
So, you ARE a literal NPC. Who programmed you to respond negatively to NPC memes?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:25:08 No.10086051 Report

Quoted By: >>10086056 >>10086057 >>10086059 >>10086073

>>10086044
Free will and consciousness would mean independence from causality, which is a laughable impossibility. You're not intelligent enough to understand that if ants aren't free or conscious, then humans can't be either because the difference between them is only in degree. There is no fundamental property of physics that magically arises in more complex organisms. Believing in free will or consciousness are exactly akin to believing in ghosts and spirits, which are beliefs ubiquitous among the lowest humans, such as yourself. You are a typical example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. A failed abortion.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:27:13 No.10086053 Report

Quoted By: >>10086058 >>10086059

>>10086044
>To me free will is simply the ability to feel the act of making decisions.
This is the most retarded "definition" I've ever seen for anything in my life, jesus christ. You are actually from pol, those are the only "people" who are this dumb.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:27:42 No.10086056 Report

Quoted By: >>10086062

>>10086051
Who said ants weren’t conscious? I think they obviously are. They even pass the mirror test pseudoscience.

You are literally arguing that you are a mindless meat robot and it’s hilarious. You must be trolling.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:28:37 No.10086057 Report

Quoted By: >>10086061

>>10086051
>causality
You realise causality is logically impossible you thick cunt? It's an infinite regress.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:28:44 No.10086058 Report

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>>10086053
>haha you disagree so you frum dis board I dun like

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:28:55 No.10086059 Report

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>>10086051
Who says ants aren't conscious?

>>10086053
How the fuck is /pol/ related to this conversation at all you idiot? Why do you keep bringing it up?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:29:01 No.10086060 Report

Quoted By: >>10086061

>>10086044
>To me free will is simply the ability to feel the act of making decisions.
To me irony is when everything is made of iron.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:30:14 No.10086061 Report

Quoted By: >>10086063

>>10086060
wtf is this thread getting infested by sub-80 brainlets? What else would free will be, infinite regress? >>10086057

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:30:43 No.10086062 Report

Quoted By: >>10086068 >>10086069 >>10086071 >>10086073 >>10086083

>>10086056
I'm arguing that all living organisms are mindless meat robots, which they are. It's amazing how brainlets always try to make arguments about personal feelings. Your inner experience has no bearing on whether or not consciousness exists. That realization is a ledge a little too high for you to reach. You have the reasoning skills of a person with a very poorly developed brain. I bet you're far right.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:31:13 No.10086063 Report

Quoted By: >>10086064

>>10086061
I feel the act of stubbing my toe that doesn't mean I did it on fucking purpose.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:31:43 No.10086064 Report

Quoted By: >>10086070

>>10086063
Yes, and?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:32:53 No.10086068 Report

Quoted By: >>10086074

>>10086062
They obviously aren’t, since you and I are conscious. Aren’t you able to recall sounds you’ve heard in the past, or imagine new environments?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:33:08 No.10086069 Report

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>>10086062
your inner experience doesn't exist -> you don't exist, only your body does, acting out its deterministic programming -> you're an NPC with no inner experience

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:33:18 No.10086070 Report

Quoted By: >>10086072

>>10086064
Does stubbing my toe prove I have free will?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:33:55 No.10086071 Report

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>>10086062
>Your inner experience has no bearing on whether or not consciousness exists.

Okay but that’s all consciousness is.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:34:22 No.10086072 Report

Quoted By: >>10086081

>>10086070
No, but you feeling the ability to make a decision about whether you wanna stub your toe or not proves you have fee will. You can make the decision. Doesn't matter that the decision was decided beforehand.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:34:22 No.10086073 Report

Quoted By: >>10086076

>>10086051
>>10086062
You are really not anywhere near as intelligent as you think you are and you have no understanding of any of these things.
It's pitiful desu. I will never understand why people are so ready to prove themselves foolish.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:34:39 No.10086074 Report

Quoted By: >>10086075

>>10086068
>memory is free will
>Imagination is free will
Nope

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:35:17 No.10086075 Report

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>>10086074
Never said anything about free will in that statement at all. Free will is irrelevant to awareness.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:35:24 No.10086076 Report

Quoted By: >>10086079 >>10086083

>>10086073
prime example of dunning-kruger

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:36:06 No.10086079 Report

Quoted By: >>10086083

>>10086076
You're the only one exemplifying that effect.
Go back to school, if you ever went in the first place.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:36:26 No.10086080 Report

Quoted By: >>10086085

Science will eventually prove free will doesn't exist when processing power reaches the point where a program can predict a person's next thought or action with 100% accuracy via dynamic brain scanning. I can't wait for that day, when all the idiots who believe in magic are forced to face facts.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:36:54 No.10086081 Report

Quoted By: >>10086086

>>10086072
>You can make the decision. Doesn't matter that the decision was decided beforehand.
How do you know YOU made the decision then?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:37:29 No.10086083 Report

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>>10086079
>>10086076
just making sure, I was referring to this brainlet >>10086062, not you

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:37:58 No.10086085 Report

Quoted By: >>10086091 >>10086095

>>10086080
Literally will never happen.
Determinism isn't even real and has been Disproven for almost a hundred years now.
You virgins need to wake up and smell the coffee already.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:38:47 No.10086086 Report

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>>10086081
I just decided to not stub my toe, that's how I know it. amazing, right? What else do you want? should I also be able to decide whether I decide to stub my toe? and perhaps decide deciding to decide stub my toe too?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:40:22 No.10086091 Report

Quoted By: >>10086099

>>10086085
Large scale structures are deterministic for all intents and purposes. Another imbecile who thinks quantum mechanics has positive implications for free will. Oh and it is already happening, it's been done.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:42:02 No.10086095 Report

Quoted By: >>10086107

>>10086085
Quantum physics only reinforced determinism.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:43:11 No.10086099 Report

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>>10086091
I wasn't comparing QM to free will, or saying QM mean's there is free will.
>Large scale structures are deterministic for all intents and purposes.
No they aren't, we can't even predict 5 bodies and how they will behave in space. And no, this isn't because we don't have the processing power, it's because it is fundamentally stochastic and unpredictable.
>Oh and it is already happening, it's been done.
HAHAHAHAHA no it hasn't and it's no technology has ever come close
You're adorable. Go get laid, bro.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:44:20 No.10086107 Report

Quoted By: >>10086170

>>10086095
No it didn't
Determinism has been completely removed as a valid philosophy. Superdetermism is the last possiblility and that's nothing more than a reinvention of God.
It's over, it's been over for a hundred years and you morons refuse to accept it.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 21:45:41 No.10086110 Report

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/free-will-could-all-be-an-illusion-scientists-suggest-after-study-that-shows-choice-could-just-be-a7008181.html

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 22:23:19 No.10086170 Report

Quoted By: >>10086197

>>10086107
No it hasn’t. It’s only been reinforced. We just have determinism with dice.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 22:29:50 No.10086178 Report

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>>10086005
>its an illusion bro
God is real and you're going to burn in hell.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 22:44:00 No.10086197 Report

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>>10086170
>No it hasn’t. It’s only been reinforced. We just have determinism with dice.
You're a fucking moron.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 22:47:43 No.10086207 Report

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>>10085922
Real enough for me. This whole universe could be just my brain hallucinating in a vat, yet this is where I live and these are my thoughts, so I'll play with the cards I've been dealt.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 10:54:20 No.10087326 Report

Quoted By: >>10090537

>>10085922
this is akin to "the moon landing can be replicated therefore the moon landing was fake"

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 10:58:31 No.10087333 Report

Quoted By: >>10088451

>>10085922
I might agree with this.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 21:28:56 No.10088451 Report

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>>10087333

NPC detected

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Anonymous Mon 22 Oct 2018 21:49:38 No.10088504 Report

Quoted By: >>10089006 >>10090034

>>10086005
/lit/ here to ruin your day

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Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 02:19:21 No.10088995 Report

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>>10085927
No idea. Dennett sure is a brainlet.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 02:28:32 No.10089006 Report

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>>10088504
This only counters Dennett and not the post you are replying to.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 02:49:20 No.10089040 Report

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>>10086005
/thread

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Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 03:01:56 No.10089063 Report

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>>10086005
Well, this is the most retarded thing I've read this year. I feel like I need a drink now.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Oct 2018 14:36:40 No.10090034 Report

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>>10088504
I wonder how many straws where used to build this straw man

sage goes in all fields

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sage goes in all fields Tue 23 Oct 2018 19:15:52 No.10090537 Report

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>>10085922
>one object in the set A is b, therefore every object in A is b.
any undergrad who knows babby's first predicate logic could see the fault in this, c'mon

>>10087326 is another example of this fallacy

>In b4 trigniggered autisticals trying to fault this logic.
your post has no logic

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