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PISA 2018 and PISA-D 2017 results

Anonymous Sun 14 Jun 16:20:25 2020 No.11797545 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11883538 >>11884645 >>11894698 >>11902147

>PISA is the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment. PISA measures 15-year-olds’ ability to use their reading, mathematics and science knowledge and skills to meet real-life challenges

https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA%202018%20Insights%20and%20Interpretations%20FINAL%20PDF.pdf
https://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisafaq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZs9ZlwKdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4RGqzaNEtg

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 00:01:01 No.11882347 Report

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>>11875081
;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 11:27:59 No.11883512 Report

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>>11880589
most countries score about the same as twenty years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 11:44:42 No.11883538 Report

Quoted By: >>11884398

>>11797545
Either don't list China or list the the best scoring European cities too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 18:43:09 No.11884398 Report

Quoted By: >>11884612

>>11883538
B-S-J-Z had a population of about 185 million in 2018

some countries have extended samples in order to have reliable estimates for sub-national entities

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 20:07:28 No.11884588 Report

Quoted By: >>11887581

As always, Brazil ommits the states, and doesn't report on race. After all, we don't want people having any racist ideas!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 20:19:30 No.11884612 Report

Quoted By: >>11885539

>>11884398
>B-S-J-Z had a population of about 185 million in 2018
So a whopping 13.2% of the population. Meanwhile, they dropped a province with over 100 million people, and that province was coincidentally pulling the scores down.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 20:30:42 No.11884645 Report

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>>11797545
>reading
>mathematics
>science
>no philosophy
reddit would be pleased

also
>measuring 15 year olds

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 01:41:03 No.11885539 Report

Quoted By: >>11885623

>>11884612
nobody is saying results are representative for all of China (and by the way this also applies to other locations like Baku)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 02:03:57 No.11885623 Report

Quoted By: >>11885637 >>11886499

>>11885539
State sponsored television in China is saying it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 02:08:17 No.11885637 Report

Quoted By: >>11885650

>>11885623
not really, didn't even make headlines back in December

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 02:11:28 No.11885650 Report

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>>11885637
I assume you're living in China?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 09:31:11 No.11886499 Report

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>>11885623
LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 17:42:44 No.11887581 Report

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>>11884588
>As always, Brazil ommits the states
there had been rounds where Brazil had expanded samples in order to report results by state, not in 2018 though but they were big enough to report by macro-regions

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 23:43:02 No.11888475 Report

Quoted By: >>11888485

>>11881149
muh neoliberalism boogeyman

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 23:45:52 No.11888485 Report

Quoted By: >>11888488

>>11888475
t.doesn't know shit about history

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 23:47:13 No.11888488 Report

Quoted By: >>11889194

>>11888485
Define neoliberalism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jul 2020 05:22:51 No.11889194 Report

Quoted By: >>11907174

>>11888488
a political-economic trend that started in the 70s or earlier and replaced (or tries to replace) keynesianism, that promotes laissez-faire and a technocratic "economy over politics" view of the society (even though their proponents usually make retarded mistakes when they have the power of the state/government). it became really popular in the 80s/early 90s.
one of the policies that came with it was it was wholesale privatization of many public companies (public as in owned and managed by states/governments) for pennies, and the almost abandonment of public schools and universities.
some examples: in the country I live now we pay for "public" universities and some of its buildings are almost falling down. in another country where I used to live, professors would teach for the love of teaching, without getting paid a single cent. these countries export raw materials and tons of food to rich countries... and most people barely get any benefits from that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jul 2020 17:14:39 No.11890442 Report

Quoted By: >>11893414

>>11797557
Canadian Provinces?

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jul 2020 01:12:16 No.11891568 Report

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>>11873504

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jul 2020 07:17:07 No.11892161 Report

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Anonymous Sun 12 Jul 2020 08:59:27 No.11892323 Report

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>>11892161

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jul 2020 16:07:15 No.11893414 Report

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>>11890442
>The Canadian provinces refer to the seven provinces of Canada that participated in the PISA 2018 financial literacy assessment: British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario and Prince Edward Island.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jul 2020 22:07:33 No.11894665 Report

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>>11871084
so like 35% world's population?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Jul 2020 22:14:41 No.11894698 Report

Quoted By: >>11895180

>>11797545
I am eastern european and I know for a fact that actual average performance in my country is much worse. I don't know how they obtained these results, maybe they tested students from top schools only, or what kind of test they used but these ratings are very innacure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 00:47:44 No.11895180 Report

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>>11894698
Eastern Europeans actually score slightly lower on PISA compared to TIMSS/PIRLS

see >>11879188 to see how samples are gathered and how representative samples are for the total population>>11797812 >>11798124

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:36:57 No.11896654 Report

Quoted By: >>11896659 >>11903338

wtf Lebanon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 11:38:23 No.11896659 Report

Quoted By: >>11897672

>>11896654
arabs are really fucking stupid, people that don’t have a lot of experience with them don’t realize how close to nigger tier they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 19:21:11 No.11897672 Report

Quoted By: >>11898156

>>11896659
Black countries score much lower

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jul 2020 21:58:48 No.11898156 Report

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>>11897672
There aren't African countries on the OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 02:43:39 No.11898913 Report

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>>11800817
I'm packing my bags as we speak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 02:58:06 No.11898936 Report

Quoted By: >>11898976

>>11844598
You have the patience of a saint. Or hemorrhoids. Either way, I wish you well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 02:59:08 No.11898940 Report

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>>11852200
more like chicken or egg

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 03:04:40 No.11898953 Report

Quoted By: >>11899411

>>11864353
Tell me about it. We just decriminalized gifted education. Fuck Sweden.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 03:15:40 No.11898976 Report

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>>11898936
It's both, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 03:19:33 No.11898981 Report

Quoted By: >>11899131

This thread is a month old.
Stop bumping your own thread faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 04:19:37 No.11899131 Report

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>>11898981
I haven't bumped it In like a week lol what's going on

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 06:24:16 No.11899411 Report

Quoted By: >>11902200

>>11898953
Because the system of selecting gifted kids is really not that accurate. Especially since MANY gifted kids are stuck in shit schools in many education systems or have various disorders as well since being gifted does not suddenly make you not dyslexic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 16:42:52 No.11900517 Report

Quoted By: >>11905880

Bump.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 01:23:28 No.11902147 Report

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>>11797545

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Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 01:38:37 No.11902200 Report

Quoted By: >>11902247 >>11904741

>>11899411
Really the only thing you can do is segregate the mega underperformers, there's so much divergence as far as thinking at the upper end, actually pinning down how geniuses should be taught is difficult. Really Germany's system is likely the best imo, even if the economic gradient is large.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 02:04:15 No.11902247 Report

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>>11902200
>Really Germany's system is likely the best imo
The issue thoguh is that switching between streams is harder and putting that much choices fora kid/parent to choose is pretty stressful. Especially if the parent and/or kid doesn't know the system that well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 12:39:53 No.11903338 Report

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>>11896654
all the smart Lebanese went to the Americas or Greece/Cyprus

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 21:51:08 No.11904741 Report

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>>11902200
>>11902247
Germany ultimately comes down to Gymnasium or not-Gymnasium, and that leads to parents making irresponsible decisions for their child after elementary school.
There are ways to ascent the education ladder further down, but it's difficult, and I'm not sure, if I could recommend it.

While I think the split happens a little early in Germany, I won't deny, I was glad all my bullies went to the lowest tier school after elementary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 05:38:29 No.11905880 Report

Quoted By: >>11907050

>>11900517
stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 17:17:02 No.11907050 Report

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>>11905880
Bump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 17:26:14 No.11907080 Report

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imagine caring about some fucking school test

LMAO NERDS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 17:39:16 No.11907113 Report

Quoted By: >>11908078

>>11864201
>I don't know wtf you are talking about, Argentina has had universal literacy since the 1960s
>It actually goes down after Peron and his lackeys take the country and establish the "Espadrilles yes, books no!" mentality
>blaming the 90s
>avoiding to talk about "win decade" and how the changes in the education system yield worse and worse results each year
You dropped your chimi anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 17:54:06 No.11907163 Report

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>>11881149
>neoliberalism
Boogeyman aside (since neoliberalism did bring problems to education but not what you are implying) in most of argentinean provinces the law states that no kid can loose a year if they fail a lot (or all) courses. This was because the dropout rate was high. Now they've reduced dropout rate at the cost of actual accademic score as there is no way of getting children to study their ass in order to get an education.
The funny thing is, most of the teens that have it easy in highschool can't pass their entry exams to universities (most public and some private) so the actual prestige of the universities is slowly falling in order to compensate for this and still get their money/quotas.
Meritocracy is a shit but there is sadly no replacement for the stuff that it does good, people who work/study their ass off should get far and those who don't, should struggle in order to grow and get far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 17:56:47 No.11907174 Report

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>>11889194
>a political trend
Fixed that for you. Theres no "Neoliberal School" of economics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 22:27:28 No.11908078 Report

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>>11907113
>Illia established universal literacy in the 1960s as shown by the maps in http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/literacy.htm
>muh peron boogeyman
kys retard

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