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Manga Making General

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 21:14:58 2021 No.5524162 View Reply Original Report

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The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making and Manga-style illustration.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.

Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).

Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>5506297

Some resources:

/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series >>>/ic/asg
Webcomic General >>>/ic/webcomic

Books:
Understanding Comics

Making Comics

Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/Dd4hnZTC#EjMIcTDPLbWXkAJLPHx2Kg

Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/

2000AD Script Book
https://mega.nz/file/gtNQgY6L#p7vPA_fLOUwxINMBzAX62w_xx282FVQoMhUHDGtiCpE

Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"

Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos

Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/9h1mUYSJ#8sJoO57nMP_JhjnujBXkpQ

https://www.naokiurasawa.com/

Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 21:15:06 No.5524163 Report

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Some western / indie publishers that seem to have a decent readership and are tolerant of or specifically cater to Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation's publishing apparatus, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 21:16:07 No.5524165 Report

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Current contests:

KYOTO INTERNATIONAL MANGA AWARD
https://medibang.com/contest/kyoto-manga2021/
>DEADLINE: July 26th, 5PM Japan Time
>Any theme, no page count, English OK

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 01:14:07 No.5524527 Report

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page from last thread

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 02:37:40 No.5524630 Report

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I just realized the only successful American manga artist (in Japan) is Asian and known for an edgy hentai. This is quite the uphill battle, isn’t it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 02:39:09 No.5524632 Report

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>>5524630
every day I keep questioning why I learn Japanese and wonder if the webtoon scene really is as dry as I thought it was. Can people really live off webtoons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 02:55:34 No.5524646 Report

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>>5524632
I have no idea but it is depressing isn’t it? There’s this guy, the South Korean who made Dr. Stone and the Brazilian who made No Game No Life (light novel) and both of them have lived in Japan since they were kids. It’s not like that means it’s impossible but it sure looks like a damn steep uphill climb to the point where I also question what the fuck I’m doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:04:17 No.5524647 Report

Quoted By: >>5524652 >>5524674 >>5524707

>>5524630
>>5524632
If you wanna make manga in Japan you need:
>to live in Japan (this means uprooting your life where you are)
>to work in Japan so you can sustain yourself and have a visa (this will eat away at your time to make manga learn Japanese
>to be able to speak and read Japanese (at least N2 level), this means you gotta dedicate plenty of time to the language in addition to developing your art and writing
>to pay for a translator to that your finished work is top notch
That’s as a prerequisite, in addition, you gotta:
>develop your art skills, all the fundamentals to a competent level that allows you to clearly tell your story, as well as fostering a unique style. It doesn’t have to be the most impressive art, but it needs a minimal degree of competence
>to develop your writing skills, this entails: (reading books on story and writing frequently, and rewriting frequently, watching tons of films and thinking on them critically, reading or listening to tons of novels, and reading tons of manga (thankfully that last one overlaps with learning Japanese, unfortunately all your input cannot come from manga nor Japanese sources exclusively)
If you’re good enough, approach an editor with some work, and judge whether you’re good enough to be given a shot. The reality is that you have to stand out among your peers already, AND you have to speak Japanese and relocate to Japan, all big hurdles to overcome in their own right, moreso still when combined. And thats not even factoring in cultural barriers you gotta adapt to, as well as the insane Japanese work ethic and expectations that come with that, which you DO have to adapt to. No room to be a precious diva, or have self-pity. You try your hardest until you can no longer go forward, and then once you hit that point, you push even further and keep trying harder still, your body will adapt.

Possible? Totally. Difficult?? You’re goddamn right it is. There are easier roads if you seek a livable income.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:10:47 No.5524652 Report

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>>5524647
Alice anon? How do you do it? It seems like an insane climb…

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:19:52 No.5524663 Report

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>>5523255
Nice cover anon; I'm currently working on the one for my editor pitch. It's killing me kinda.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:20:59 No.5524665 Report

Quoted By: >>5524679 >>5527996 >>5538303

>>5524652
It’s cause I’m so bought into it at this point, I’m well past the point of no return. There are no other roads left but forward. Every failure on the way there is simply an other step closer toward that end goal. Eventually as I keep hacking away at it, I’ll eventually breach through. I see myself gradually improve in all areas as I keep pushing forward, so time is in my favor, and at 30, time is something I still have plenty of.

Burn your bridges, if you cut off your easy alternatives or side paths, then it becomes much easier to focus on the singular goal, high as that goal might be. On my end, I’d no longer be content with simply getting published, or published in Japan, or even just showing up in Jump once. I won’t stop till I make a major hit, long as that may take me. I know I’ll still fail plenty on the way there, but every failure is simply another learning experience, and over time these add up.

In other news, I finished the Alice one shot. I sent it to the editor for feedback, and I plan on entering it in this month’s Shin Sekai Award. Hopefully it wins. I should know by September. Mostly cause it’s that obstacle cleared, and the money would be good right about now.

On a personal level, I don’t really like the one shot cause it doesn’t encapsulate what Alice is about, and it’s very vanilla. But it’s got a decent emotional payoff and it’s a nice little story competently drawn. It’s kinda Disney, which is ok. It’s good, but it’s not WOW. Nothing truly special about it. Just “good.” And I know I can do better now, especially in story.

I’ll share it once I get the results around Sept.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:26:15 No.5524674 Report

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>>5524647
One thing that gives me hope, besides the proliferation of web publishing and self publishing, is the fact that it appears more common, almost normal, for mangaka to hide their identities today. There are mangaka of very popular manga whom we know nothing at all about. I think that’s better for the creator since the reality is that both Japanese audiences and Western audiences want to read manga they perceive as authentically Japanese. So the way I see it is, besides the hurdles you mentioned, you have two real opponents: 1) the publisher and 2) the reader. Being able to publish with anonymity at least overcomes the latter.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:28:13 No.5524679 Report

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>>5524665
>at 30, time is something I still have plenty of
When did you start?
> Burn your bridges, if you cut off your easy alternatives or side paths, then it becomes much easier to focus on the singular goal, high as that goal might be.
I’m at this point right now and deliberate what/if to cut.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:32:12 No.5524691 Report

Quoted By: >>5524700

>>5524674
>is the fact that it appears more common, almost normal, for mangaka to hide their identities today
>today
This ain't a new thing, anon. I don't think it ever really hindered mangaka in the past either, lots worked under pennames. Buronson might be the most famous example because it's obviously not his real name, but it's certainly not a recent trend for creators to do so under an alias.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:38:23 No.5524700 Report

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>>5524691
Working with a pen name is different from near total anonymity, which I do believe has become more common. Mangaka have always used pen names, but we know what they look like, their backgrounds, etc. There are mangaka of very popular manga today that we don’t even know what they look like or anything about them.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:43:02 No.5524707 Report

Quoted By: >>5529500

>>5524647
Both writing and drawing is already a war on two fronts, so I decided that learning Japanese will take away too much from me if I decide to be a mangaka. I'll just have to figure out a way to make a career out of comics in the US. My mistake is second-guessing the marketplace, because in reality, people here are still a huge comic-consuming audience, it's just that there just are not that many good comics being made in the west. The supply is low, but the demand is high. If you can write and draw well enough, I really believe you can make it, even here in the west. There are publishers. There's webtoons. It's not impossible. Tezuka revolutionized the comic industry in Japan, one of us could do the same here.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:45:18 No.5524712 Report

Quoted By: >>5524719 >>5524721 >>5524726 >>5524758 >>5524762

You guys talk a lot about making a living off manga rather than working on manga

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:50:24 No.5524719 Report

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>>5524712
You talk a lot about what other people talk about.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:51:33 No.5524721 Report

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>>5524712
If you're good at something, you never do it for free

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:54:39 No.5524726 Report

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>>5524712
This, idont understand the necessity of living in japan, make manga happen on the internet, in your own country.
Advertise yourself and make patreaon. Coomer should be the least to worry about this.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 04:15:34 No.5524758 Report

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>>5524712
I don’t see the issue. Last thread saw plenty of discussion on storycraft, and work gets posted regularly. Even in this thread you see people posting or offering feedback on specific pages, despite only being a few hours old.

A lot of the more experienced guys already have contact with professional editors who give them regular feedback so they don’t need to post their work here for critique.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 04:24:36 No.5524762 Report

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>>5524712
Summerfags looking to pass time. Notice it wasnt this bad months ago.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 04:24:49 No.5524763 Report

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>>5524726
Sure, but don’t underestimate how hard it is to make it online as well. Manga is HARD work, and online means dedicating a lot of time and energy into marketing yourself. Finding ways to draw an ADHD audience flooded with distractions to take the time to read your story presents a unique challenge too. Plus, the benefit of pursuing professional publication is that the challenge will force you to properly develop your skills to a professional degree rather than getting stuck on your “magnum opus” that may not be that good. At the end of the day, the best way to get better at manga is to write tons of different manga. Professional publication offers an opportunity to get paid for your one shots. Whereas online, it’s hard to get an audience to care, let alone pay, for your short stories.

At the end of the day, even something like Webtoons is gonna entail a very busy schedule. If the pay is just ok, you gotta wonder if going all in on just doing it in Japan is ir isn’t a better option.

Not saying one is better than the other, but I am saying the answer isn’t so clear cut and obvious when you actually start laboring over this shit. Online isn’t a cakewalk either.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 04:59:32 No.5524836 Report

Quoted By: >>5524870 >>5524874 >>5524905 >>5525071

>>5524630
>>5524632
>>5524646

i'm gonna sound harsh when i say this, but unless your story AND art is on par or better than japan's best selling and memorable manga, 99% of people will not give a shit about yours. it's a bias that can't be helped due to how foreigners are notoriously cringey with making their own manga to a point where it looks like racist caricatures. manga is probably one of the few things left in the world where organic word of mouth interest is where it matters most.

even the biggest weebfag will kneel if they realize your amazing manga hooked them like attack on titan did; they will also cry in burgers if they found out it happened to be made by a fellow mutt, but will be EXTREMELY critical if it turns out to be even 1% less than they expected from their usual stream of authentic japanese manga. extend this to nips that generally understand foreigner manga are just poor imitations of their own goods; understand they are some of the most nationalistic people in the world. but at least nips are humble enough to recognize if something is objectively good and interesting.

this is not meant to discourage anyone, but i'm just saying that moving to japan and selling in japan isn't really going to help you very much if your story is uninteresting and can't compete with the likes of AoT in the first place. AoT had a very strong hook/beginning. most memorable stories that get that sort of popularity/following have one like game of thrones and harry potter.

if anything, webtoons make a great testing ground to see if your shit is interesting or not and to just practice your skills in general. just treat it like any other social media platform, and expand to others like twitter, youtube, tiktok, etc. also make friends with other mangakas/artists and do art trades with them; this helps both parties to promote each other while getting a token of friendship.

tl;dr, hone skills to make a great story with great visuals, worry about profits/glory later.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:09:08 No.5524854 Report

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>>5524763
Everything in the art field is hard when you speak under the assumption of "making it" but making it big in Japan is more than just a goal, you have to have to have dedication and the resolution to reach such goal, and i think it would be tunnel vision to treat it as an ultimatum. You should work toward a reachable goal first then move on when once you have made a promise to yourself to reach the next goal.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:14:52 No.5524862 Report

Quoted By: >>5524864

>>5524758
>A lot of the more experienced guys already have contact with professional editors
we have?

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:16:00 No.5524864 Report

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>>5524862
beside that one anon who live in Japan I mean

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:20:03 No.5524870 Report

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>>5524836
>AoT had a very strong hook/beginning. most memorable stories that get that sort of popularity/following have one like game of thrones and harry potter.
This is an excellent point and one that everybody here should take to heart. HOOK YOUR READERS!
That doesn't mean you can't have a slow burn or a build up, but you need to show the readers something that will make them want to keep reading first. Remember World Piece? Remember how the free preview didn't have anything interesting going on? Don't do that. Put your good stuff front and center. Notice how the first chapter of manga often open with something to grab your attention, some kind of hook that tells the reader roughly what it is they're about to read? That's a good example of this in practice.
The introduction can't be half-assed, you need to really make sure it will draw people in. Nobody will read to the end if the intro sucks. Tell or show your readers right away why they want to read this work.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:23:04 No.5524874 Report

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>>5524836
thank you for your rational thought. I'm kind of dumb most of the time

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:25:00 No.5524876 Report

Quoted By: >>5524877 >>5524884

Is it possible to grow on webtoons without using your social media to market it? Lots of people are saying it's actually not possible because the algorithm is bad, but that would be counterproductive for both webtoons and the creators on webtoons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:26:28 No.5524877 Report

Quoted By: >>5524878

>>5524876
Do any of those lots of people make good stories with decent art andpost often

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:26:52 No.5524878 Report

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>>5524877
lol no. but nobody is calling them out

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:31:39 No.5524884 Report

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>>5524876
enter webtoon competition, so publisher can shill your work and may even partner up with you if you want to work for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:47:33 No.5524904 Report

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is getting donations thru crypto with Monero a great idea if my manga blows up and you guys end up like it ?

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 05:48:00 No.5524905 Report

Quoted By: >>5524944

>>5524836
Why would you care? If you want to publish Japanese manga, Japanese readers are the target demo. The others don’t even pay for manga. Having overseas readers is just a cherry on top.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 06:16:08 No.5524944 Report

Quoted By: >>5525006 >>5525062 >>5527060

>>5524905
>japanese readers are the target demo

i guarantee you, you really won't get anywhere thinking this way. with such a general target like this, your manga will be literally on the same tier as something found on deviantart to the nips except printed, if it even gets that far.

foreigners literally can't mimic what nips would generally like unless they literally grew up in japan to understand the nuances. to encapsulate what japan likes as a whole is a challenge in itself in the first place since they are constantly competing with one another to make the better product. what i am saying is that whatever a foreigner makes will 99% be 3rd rate compared to even their amateur doujinshis. they can smell the foreigner on you and know your knowledge is lacking.

think of it this way, you can tell who an ESL is from the way they even type on an anonymous board like this. hell, some people can tell who's female, their politics, and if they're a newfag in general just from the way they behave and post. you don't think nips can pick up on that while reading manga, where your creative soul comes out? what a nip is thinking, is that if it's done by a foreigner, it better be god damn good.

the only edge a foreigner could bring is a fresh idea that nips aren't familiar with seeing already after consuming thousands of japanese media, otherwise it would probably come off as more generic than the foreigner thinks or distasteful to japanese sensibilities.

this is why i'm saying you should shoot for a story that would interest the world, not just japan, to ensure your shit will even get a chance to be read past the first couple of pages.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 06:51:50 No.5524994 Report

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i lied. im not giving up on japanese. i want to be a mangaka so bad

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 06:56:54 No.5525006 Report

Quoted By: >>5525036

>>5524944
Get off your nipwank bro. It’s embarrassing.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 07:33:13 No.5525036 Report

Quoted By: >>5525063 >>5525071 >>5525084

>>5525006
Not them but they're not wrong; attempting to mimic what people are already doing in their own country is often a fool's errand because not only do you not understand that culture as much as a native might, but there are also likely hundreds if not thousands of natives that are doing what you're doing better than you're doing it.

Thankfully, there is an easier (for you) and more unique route, that being utilizing whatever culture you yourself are a part of to create a unique product. Japanese people are still people; they'll be drawn to different and unique concepts just like we are. Attempting to "be Japanese" isn't going to be as interesting to the Japanese in the long run as attempting to share a unique and genuine experience is going to be. If they're willing to set aside their initial hesitation when it comes to reading something made by a foreigner, then chances are they're going to be more than willing to partake in a unique work that includes things with which they are unfamiliar. It's that same drive that pushes foreigners to manga, so why not use that to push Japanese people toward a new take on familiar media? They like Western stuff a lot anyway; it's not like Netflix series and Hollywood films are a rare commodity there. They even watch our cartoons.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 08:05:52 No.5525062 Report

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>>5524944
Your target audience should be Japanese. Westerners don’t vote in Magazine polls and they don’t buy volumes in the same quantities Japanese people do. If you’re printed in Japan, your primary audience is Japanese. And likewise, this doesn’t mean you should attempt to mimic or imitate the Japanese. You should be conscious of making certain things “appeal to Japanese values” but you’ll have an editor to help point that out.

At the end of the day, a good story is a good story is a good story, regardless of who makes it. And the fundamentals if story are universal. This idea that “just cause you’re a foreigner your stuff will be 3rd rate when compared to even amateur doujinshi” is absolutely preposterous. Especially when you consider than not only are western IP like Star Wars and Disney incredibly popular in Japan, but some of the most successful manga in Japan draw heavy influence from the west. Berserk being the most obvious example, but you’ve also got Eichiro Oda citing French cartoons, Nausicaa, HeroAca drawing from Marvel, both Gege and Fujimoto citing western cinema as large influence, with Fujumoto especially drawing heavily from Tarantino in both cinematography and writing, Araki, etc….

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 08:06:53 No.5525063 Report

Quoted By: >>5525071 >>5526108

2/2
By consuming lots of Japanese media you’re already keenly aware of various cultural nuances that distinguish both sides, and we all are already aware if the KiShoTenKetsu narrative structure. If you wanna dig deeper into Japanese culture in storytelling, then read Japanese literature. I don’t mean LNs either, but actual literature like Murakami, Mishima, and so on. Norwegian Wood is essentially the template for your ambient slice of life story with your depressed and introspective protagonist that meets many different fucked up girls who wanna bang him. That’s where that is coming from in so many anime like Haruhi and pretty much anything Kyoani. Watch Japanese cinema, Kurosawa, Satoshi Kon, Ishida, etc… Seven Samurai is a story template seen commonly in manga, and the cinematography has influenced western cinema and manga alike. There’s nothing here that can’t be learned, and fusing this with what you’ve inherited from the west having grown up in Japan more than likely brings a fresh experience to Japanese readers because your life experience is significantly different to anyone born in Japan.

>>5525036
They’re wrong in that they jumped to the conclusion that being conscious that your target audience is Japanese, means you should try to imitate other Japanese writers. You should take influence from there, sure. But his post reeks of the classic “you’ll never make manga cause you’re not Japanese” shitpost, just worded in a roundabout way.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 08:13:19 No.5525071 Report

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>>5525063
>>5525036
Following up cause there’s more I gotta say to this >>5524836

You don’t have to be “better than their most successful IP” that’s absurd. You simply have to be “better than where you’re competing.” If you’re in shounen Jump for example, then you simply have to better than what’s on the magazine, or at the very least, good enough to stay alive. But regardless, your focus should first and foremost be to tell a good story, to the best of your ability. If anything, if you’re gonna get published in Japan, I would recommend using a Japanese pen name, and remaining anonymous. Let your work speak for itself. Don’t clamor for brownie points cause you’re a foreigner. Can you get extra attention because of it? Sure, but that attention might not be positive.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 08:26:00 No.5525084 Report

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>>5525036
Yup. Write what you know about. Good stories will transcend cultures. I enjoy Japanese stories, and Japanese peopl can enjoy American stories

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 09:17:40 No.5525128 Report

Quoted By: >>5525136 >>5525152 >>5525177

it's 2AM but I need to finish atleast 2 full pages a day before the deadline...

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 09:25:20 No.5525136 Report

Quoted By: >>5525152

>>5525128
DRINK FIVE HOUR ENERGY AND DRAW AS MUCH AS YOU CAN
THEN TAKE A NAP UNDER THE DESK
THAT'S WHAT I DO
I'M WORKING ON A COVER RIGHT NOW

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 09:43:20 No.5525152 Report

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>>5525128
>>5525136
Protip: Stop using 4chan when you're low on time.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 10:03:49 No.5525177 Report

Quoted By: >>5525225

>>5525128
Deadline? who's hiring you to draw comics?

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 10:41:59 No.5525225 Report

Quoted By: >>5525236

>>5525177
>contests just stay open for submissions forever

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 10:55:21 No.5525236 Report

Quoted By: >>5525248 >>5525689 >>5525704

>>5525225
Does anybody make a living with comics? Is this even possible?

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 11:16:06 No.5525248 Report

Quoted By: >>5525678

>>5525236
There are several Japanese people who do it. But in America the way the comic industry is set up you have to pretty much be a celebrity with some kind of sizable following already before even being considered by a studio big enough to pay you for a serialization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 12:27:39 No.5525317 Report

Quoted By: >>5525464

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJoF_zB_og8&ab_channel=FilmCourage

As I've been writing more and more, this is how it's started to become for me. A lot of screenwriting books say "go theme first" but I find it better to go characters first, with a sense of theme, or potential themes, based on their flaws, but not concrete idea, amd then discovering that theme in the first draft. Then, in the second draft, you hone in on sharpening that.

Great video btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 12:37:59 No.5525325 Report

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I hate work so much. I wish I was a NEET so I could focus full-time on drawing. I’ve even considered trying to sell a cheesy low brow light novel just to make some income that can replace a job. Crypto and meme stocks is over my head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 15:01:06 No.5525464 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525317
If I do this I often ask myself "Why does this character exist?" I feel like when I start with characters, they exist for no good reason and can be left out. But when I start with theme I know each character's purpose in the story. (Not including very minor characters.) How do you go about creating characters that have a purpose in the story from the very beginning?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 17:36:40 No.5525678 Report

Quoted By: >>5525682 >>5525899 >>5525987

>>5525248
>There are several Japanese people who do it
Don't they live in abject poverty?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 17:38:28 No.5525682 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525678
i ran across my favorite manga artist when I was 10 on twitter (reference: i'm like 30 now and they were middle aged back in the day) and they're still shilling merch for their one successful coming to make a modest living

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 17:42:18 No.5525689 Report

Quoted By: >>5525874 >>5528445

>>5525236
>Does anybody make a living with comics? Is this even possible?
Stonetoss

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 17:54:27 No.5525704 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525236
In western industry, only relatable content or political satire. Social media is geared around short attention span and instant gratification so most people would rather enjoy bite-sized comics that they can just like and swipe

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:59:42 No.5525874 Report

Quoted By: >>5525908

>>5525689
>Stonetoss

Stonetoss is also legitimately great at strip style comics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 20:14:11 No.5525899 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525678
That's animators

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 20:18:12 No.5525908 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525874
>Stonetoss is also legitimately great at strip style comics.
He never learnt loomis though, and the anatomy isn’t great

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 21:07:36 No.5525972 Report

Quoted By: >>5525984

I think everyone’s seen that mangak weekly schedule pic by now. If their weeks are that crammed, don’t they find time to read manga other manga?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 21:16:31 No.5525984 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525972
Depends on the artist

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 21:18:11 No.5525987 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525678
They do. People keep pointing at the likes of Horikoshi or Oda without realizing that they're the equivalents of Stan Lee or Frank Miller or Grant Morrison. There's a small amount of people at the top, a shitton of people in the middle range that are just barely scraping by on the poverty royalties their publishers drip-feed them from multiple IPs, and then there's an even wider group of people on the very bottom that aren't getting enough to live on or are getting nothing at all. The comic industry is bigger in Japan than it is in the US, but that doesn't mean there's enough of an industry to just show up and set up shop and earn a modest living.

There's a reason why people often rely on merch sales and Comiket to close the gap.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 21:28:04 No.5526003 Report

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The only stories I can write are about characters drawing manga.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 21:28:22 No.5526004 Report

Quoted By: >>5526385

to those who are drawing for the contests, how are you guys doing so far? just checking up on ya.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 22:27:40 No.5526096 Report

Quoted By: >>5526130 >>5526782 >>5526791 >>5529564 >>5529574

Maybe some of you will appreciate this
She has a day job too
https://youtu.be/xOtkXE1fzMc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 22:39:59 No.5526108 Report

Quoted By: >>5526114 >>5526319

>>5525063
>By consuming lots of Japanese media you’re already keenly aware of various cultural nuances that distinguish both sides
no you are not. you only know their caricatured versions of it. you don't understand the history of why and how it got to that point. native japanese do, and hence knows how to iterate it more effectively and in a fresher/original manner.

>but you’ll have an editor to help point that out.
no, as a foreigner your editor already understands that you would NEVER be able to know as much as he does and takes for granted. your editor understands, what he is doing is simply sticking bandaids over your giant gaps of knowledge, because teaching someone how to be someone they aren't is literally mental illness-inducing for both parties.

>At the end of the day, a good story is a good story is a good story
this is what i've been saying the entire time, and to focus less on the japanese audience in itself.

>If you’re in shounen Jump for example, then you simply have to better than what’s on the magazine, or at the very least, good enough to stay alive.
this is exactly what sets up people for failure, because they just look at who they think is the "worst" of their immediate competition and think as long as they are better than this guy, they'll be fine. the reality is that no, you won't. if you're a foreigner you're going to have the odds stacked against you far more than your average nip who already has a set of advantages over you just by being born in the right time and place.

foreigners seriously don't understand the competitive mentality that nips and other asians go through. all of them are aiming to be the next naruto or whatever, ALL of them. they don't just hope that isekai#832743 will give them a comfortable wage and keep them afloat. the pressure they put on themselves and from the people around them is enormous. if you want to stay alive, you have to shoot to be the best and better than at least 90% of the competition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 22:47:40 No.5526114 Report

Quoted By: >>5526172 >>5526313

>>5526108
>foreigners seriously don't understand the competitive mentality that nips and other asians go through. all of them are aiming to be the next naruto or whatever, ALL of them.

Have you considered that maybe this is why not all of us are aiming for Jump or to be published by JP mags? I don't *want* to be the next Naruto. I don't *want* my manga to run for the next 10,000 years. I have other shit I want to do, other books I want to make, other IPs I want to work on. I'd rather follow in the footsteps of Otomo than those of Kishimoto.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:04:09 No.5526130 Report

Quoted By: >>5526187 >>5526270 >>5527978

>>5526096
props on her but it seems like she works an office job
I absolutely do not buy that she is too tired from an office job to draw after work
i'm a weak guy and I always drew as much as possible while working shitty minimum wage back breaking jobs.
that fucking commuting tho, that shit is terrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:40:29 No.5526172 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526114
> I don't *want* my manga to run for the next 10,000 years.
i mean in terms of the impact of their work, not how long they milk their franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:56:48 No.5526187 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526130
I work an office job, assume that she's typical exel or programing fag. That shit tend to take a toll on your head depend on the day and project. You're not physically tired, but your brain goes numb and strain after doing crap load of computing and you end up not wanting to do anything at home. It gets worse when you hate your monkey code job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 01:17:14 No.5526270 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526130
>has to cook and clean after work too some days of the week
I buy it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 01:44:56 No.5526313 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526114
>I don't *want* to be the next Naruto.
I do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 01:47:46 No.5526319 Report

Quoted By: >>5526321 >>5526326

>>5526108
Don’t know why you guys want I pretend the Japanese are like an alien species or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 01:52:35 No.5526321 Report

Quoted By: >>5526377

>>5526319
Alien species? No.
Alien culture? Yes.
The whole fucking reason anime became a subculture in the west is because it feels completely different from western media, owing to coming from a very different culture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 01:56:12 No.5526326 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526319
>the Japanese are like an alien species
they are
its why east asian women are so beautiful because they are otherworldly creatures from beyond this realm, that's why even the "ugly" ones are cute

damn i need an asian gf i don't even care if she treats me like shit as long as she doesn't interrupt my work for anything but a hug

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 02:35:37 No.5526377 Report

Quoted By: >>5526411

>>5526321
You guys need to stop. One of the most revered authors in the Japanese language is a Greek-Irish mutt with one eye from America, barely spoke a lick of Japanese when he got there. It’s weeb fantasy and projection and you know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 02:41:14 No.5526385 Report

Quoted By: >>5526387

>>5526004
I really hate how, you can spring through one panel for like 10 min easily, then something you can get stuck in one panel for 3 hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 02:42:14 No.5526387 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526385
sometime*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 03:05:08 No.5526411 Report

Quoted By: >>5526541 >>5526991

>>5526377
>You guys need to stop
Stop what? Reminding you that the world isn't homogenous? This doesn't just apply to Japan, you know. You do understand that acknowledging this doesn't mean fucking worshipping other cultures, right? In France it's normal to kiss and hug your friends. In Australia insults are more terms of endearment than offense. People act differently in different parts of the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:27:31 No.5526541 Report

Quoted By: >>5526642

>>5526411
...So because sometimes French people kiss their friends and Australian people insult people to show endearment (which is literally done all over the world by the way) Japanese people...don't like foreign concepts or authors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:33:21 No.5526553 Report

Quoted By:

After reading the SMA contests, I feel like people from there put more effort into their art than the one shot contest. The judges are probably stricter too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:36:26 No.5526642 Report

Quoted By: >>5527333 >>5527832

>>5526541
My point is that we may have customs that are weird and off-putting to different cultures just as they do to us, and if one is going to try to write a story aimed at an audience comprised of a different culture then there's a lot more to it than just knowing the language. Japanese people, just like any other people, may be put off if a story presents stuff that may be normal to the author but is weird to them, due to the cultural difference. It's something that should be kept in mind.

>(which is literally done all over the world by the way)
Wrong.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 06:42:57 No.5526707 Report

Quoted By:

first time even drawinga something close to a pannel. I've read some stuff on manga theory, but i wanna know what you guys think

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 07:54:35 No.5526782 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526096
how does pixiv compare to patreon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 08:03:51 No.5526790 Report

Quoted By: >>5527226 >>5527481 >>5527677

>>5524721
I mean, you are right but come on, y'all won't become the next Kishimoto or Togashi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 08:05:23 No.5526791 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526096

but how do you get the readers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 12:05:55 No.5526991 Report

Quoted By: >>5527008

>>5526411
And yet somehow the number of artists who aren’t French and don’t kiss their friends and don’t think that’s normal have managed to crack the code and find success in France of all places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 12:28:24 No.5527008 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526991
This. Radiant is actually fairly popular in Japan, kek. What a delusional fucking weeb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 13:20:52 No.5527060 Report

Quoted By:

>>5524944
Do you have any idea of how many japanese authors are there that gaikoku weebs haven't heard about in their lives and are still making a living as mangaka in japan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 15:21:44 No.5527183 Report

Quoted By: >>5527184

what is a decent royalty free font for comics or manga?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 15:22:47 No.5527184 Report

Quoted By: >>5527199

>>5527183
wildwords
anime ace
shounen punk

idk what this thumbnail is but here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 15:35:40 No.5527199 Report

Quoted By:

>>5527184
thanks, also i thought anime ace is a licensed font for personal use only?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:04:59 No.5527226 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526790
I will become like Kishimoto

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:48:29 No.5527267 Report

Quoted By:

why no one is posting their drawings?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 17:55:08 No.5527333 Report

Quoted By: >>5527713

>>5526642
>>(which is literally done all over the world by the way)
>Wrong.
...What? Are you Australian or Friendless? This is practically common practice in all corners of the world. I call my friends morons on the regular, this is a normal thing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 17:59:27 No.5527338 Report

Quoted By: >>5527675

inking hair hurts my hand

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 20:02:37 No.5527481 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526790
I will become like Togashi

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 22:01:37 No.5527675 Report

Quoted By:

>>5527338
tatsuki wnmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 22:03:09 No.5527677 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526790
I will become like both, you may call me Kishimotogashi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 22:11:18 No.5527695 Report

Quoted By:

Really lacking confidence lately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 22:19:26 No.5527713 Report

Quoted By: >>5527764 >>5527809 >>5527845

>>5527333
You calling your friends moron by default does not mean all corners of the world do, dude. In all english speaking parts of the world it's normal. Is that true for all spanish speaking parts of the world? Hindi? Chinese? Japanese? Burmese? Thai? Russian, and so on? My point is that just because it's normal for you doesn't guarantee it's normal for everyone, and assuming otherwise is naive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 22:53:36 No.5527764 Report

Quoted By: >>5527785 >>5527809

>>5527713
You know what I meant dude; insulting your friends isn't some Ozzie-only thing. Do you really want to die on this hill?

The lengths people will go to """""win""""" an argument on here, jesus christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 23:08:09 No.5527785 Report

Quoted By: >>5527809 >>5527832

>>5527764
>insulting your friends isn't some Ozzie-only thing.
Thanks for regurgitating what I just said back to me.
>In all english speaking parts of the world it's normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 23:28:01 No.5527809 Report

Quoted By:

>>5527713
>>5527764
>>5527785
just kiss already

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 23:44:22 No.5527832 Report

Quoted By: >>5527972

>>5526642
>>5527785
>>(which is literally done all over the world by the way)
>Wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 23:52:13 No.5527845 Report

Quoted By: >>5527856

>>5527713
I can confirm from personal experience that sarcasm tends to fly over most Japanese people’s heads. Granted a huge part of that is likely the language barrier, still, I’m fairly confident that the Anglo way of “if I tease you, it’s cause I like you” way of bonding common among the brits and aussies and even burgers likely would be taken in earnest in Japan, because it’s something even Spanish people don’t quite understand too well. Irony and sarcasm and cynicism are very Northern European traits, whereas Mediterraneans are more earnest and laid back.

My best friend is from London, and when we lived in Madrid, we’d often go out to meet girls. It was very common that they wouldn’t understand his sense of humor and would take his insults personally rather than as playful jabs. He told me one time on a date this one girl even started crying and said “sometimes you say things to me, and they really hurt.” He said he felt pretty bad, so he started to dial it back a bit since that, but would also use “how well she could handle it” as a means of measuring how cool a girl was overall.

All that aside, this debate over “you can’t make earnest manga cause you’re mot Japanese” or “your target audience shouldn’t be Japanese if you publish in Japan” are both very very dumb arguments. A good story is built on the fundamentals of storytelling, cultural nuances don’t make or break a story, that’s more of the flavor, and likewise, because culture is something you absorb through input and assimilation, it’s all something you’ll naturally inherit and understand the more you expose yourself to it.

If you disagree with me, then you should read more manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 00:06:33 No.5527856 Report

Quoted By: >>5527918

>>5527845
One caveat, the ONE exception I’d make to this is comedy; if you’re making a gag manga, a sense of humor is VERY cultural. Some things are universal, but there are some jokes that straight up might not cross cultural barriers, or are too exclusive to a specific culture’s sense of humor. Likewise, Japanese humor is rife with puns and has a cultural history built on Manzai and other historical comedy acts.

Comedy is hard enough to write as it is, doubly so when you gotta make it work for a foreign audience, even if you like their sense of humor. Some slapstick, situational comedy, or even ecchi humor in a non-comedy manga is one thing, and fairly easy to do, cause again, universal, but trying to go full gag ls WAYYYY harder.

I learned that while doing the Tiger Square pilot which was rife with language puns and even had a manzai comedy skit and subverted expectations for humor and irony. Funny enough, all my Japanese friends loved it (the editor didn’t) as did several of my students (elementary schoolers), but it was still much harder to write than something done in earnest. It took a lot of research into Japanese comedy, and I’m still permanently limited by my mastery of the language in order to form puns (the Onigiri gag can only go so far).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 00:45:58 No.5527901 Report

Quoted By:

Sometimes I feel like I’m not cut out for this, or like I’m not the right person, don’t have the right personality. I see other artists and I notice they have certain tendencies, likes, dislikes, they tend to be a good bit on the nerdy side especially, they like collecting things from anime, manga, movies, games, they like to talk about certain things, hang out with certain types of people, and I’m just not like that. It’s all superficial stuff that doesn’t matter I know, but I see it a lot, especially in the better artists and it makes me think “do I not have the right personality for this?”

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 01:02:40 No.5527918 Report

Quoted By:

>>5527856
As some one who lived in both Asia and North America, slapstick and manzai are universally understood by the world. Maybe satire too but that depends on the subject (the Japanese side of internet is better known for this.)
There is another type of humor that Japanese use all the time but we dont really talk about it, folksy humor. Mainly because it varies across cultures, however, I think most people in general understand them even if the context of the humor is from another country.
Asian can understand Gintama's farmers and uncle joke easily, I think even Mexican too. The only country I know who don't find them funny are Americans who would get offended by the usage of slang or name, even when you show it to a racist American, they would just get confused and brush it off as outdated "boomer" jokes.
Then again, "Boomers" jokes in Asia are different, we don't really call them boomer in a sense of shame. It can be rude admittedly, it's a very situational type of humor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 01:32:50 No.5527955 Report

Quoted By: >>5528172

>start watching a few manben on my favorite artists
>get through all that i know
>check out latest episode
>naoki yamaoto
lmao this mf looks like he draws in ms paint

https://www.naokiurasawa.com/naoki-yamamoto/

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 01:42:47 No.5527971 Report

Quoted By: >>5528062 >>5529341 >>5529418

how do you keep yourself from start working on any half baked ideas from popping into your head and keep your focus just on finish your current project?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 01:43:39 No.5527972 Report

Quoted By:

>>5527832
English speaking parts of the world =/= all over the world. It's still an incorrect statement.
Are you going to nitpick a single example forever or did you have something to say about the actual point I was making, that cultural customs aren't all universal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 01:50:17 No.5527978 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526130
guweiz in his artbook mentioned his time drawing after work in the military was way easier than when he was in university

your brain genuinely has a limit to how much it can process a day

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 02:12:49 No.5527996 Report

Quoted By:

>>5524665
I hope you get a big hit, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 03:18:43 No.5528062 Report

Quoted By:

>>5527971
My main motivator is deadline, which is what I'm doing right now.
I give myself an illusion of promise that the current project will be some sort of reward once I've finished it, giving myself excuse of the things that will happen if I do it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 03:23:20 No.5528069 Report

Quoted By: >>5528166

I hate this so much, I'm tired..

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 04:46:05 No.5528166 Report

Quoted By: >>5528209

>>5528069
Do you use some sort of 3D model to help you draw your bikes or do you just draw from imagination and reference?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 04:49:24 No.5528172 Report

Quoted By: >>5528190 >>5528486

Think starting with a script rather than just trying to draw a story is better for beginners looking to start comic making? I feel like I have no story to tell just because I'm not sure how to put it into words. I guess I looped on myself because I should put in pictures... I'll try ti come up with something in three days
>>5527955
That episode took me for a ride because his program is so old, he likes the mechanical uniform lines it gives, he spent an hour adjusting that girls dang face and he spilt coffee on his tablet. Inspirational, I like him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 05:08:12 No.5528190 Report

Quoted By:

>>5528172
>Think starting with a script rather than just trying to draw a story is better for beginners looking to start comic making?
Actual mangaka pretty much think with their storyboards. Copy that, it seems to work out for them.
>I feel like I have no story to tell just because I'm not sure how to put it into words.
So adapt something but do stuff you think is cool instead of stuff you think is lame. You don't even have to tell anyone, just change the names and rock it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 05:22:35 No.5528209 Report

Quoted By:

>>5528166
I tried to use the model then render it to black and white lines but it looked awfully bad, or i just dont know how to use it. I ended up using the bike as reference and drawn it completely.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 06:38:50 No.5528290 Report

Quoted By: >>5528532

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 09:46:39 No.5528445 Report

Quoted By:

>>5525689
How much does he make?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 10:30:39 No.5528486 Report

Quoted By:

>>5528172
write some characters with depth (at the very least a main personality trait and goal), select an overall "message" or "theme" for your story and it can pretty much write itself

this is my method idk if it works for anyone else but in this way i can pretty much daydream and watch an episode of my OCs interacting
i'll also use music to get a feel for whatever setting i'm going for

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 11:33:39 No.5528532 Report

Quoted By:

>>5528290
Same mindset of chefs, "you are as good as your last dish"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 14:38:36 No.5528754 Report

Quoted By: >>5528773 >>5529234

I got 15 pages to ink and shade until the 28th.....wish me luck anons

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 14:52:48 No.5528773 Report

Quoted By: >>5537403

>>5528754
>5 days
good luck anon consider trying to get help with at least filling in betas/blacks
don't reply to this post just finish work

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 21:14:19 No.5529234 Report

Quoted By: >>5529238 >>5537403

>>5528754
what contest?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 21:24:36 No.5529238 Report

Quoted By: >>5529426

>>5529234
looks like SMA since it's due on the 28th

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 22:40:46 No.5529312 Report

Quoted By:

I like seeing this thread sometimes, even though i don't actually engage it ever. I just wanted to throw down the submission i made for the Kyoto International contest. Started the draft on the 27th, then sometime the 1st or 2nd started the manuscript.
Anyone working on stuff here, good luck.
back to work.

https://medibang.com/book/bv2107240643171120014487452/view/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 23:09:35 No.5529341 Report

Quoted By: >>5531303

>>5527971
You're art is decent but I would really focus on learning better paneling and speech bubble placement. Everything I've seen from you generally stick to the same boring layout and the bubbles and text are awkwardly placed near the top of the frame. I would even say the same thing about the art too, some of the images are interesting to look at it is ruined by all the tangents in the artwork itself and frame.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 23:49:57 No.5529418 Report

Quoted By: >>5531303

>>5527971
try writing an in-depth description/draw a sketch of your idea so it's out of your head, and back up the file so you know it's safe. i don't know if it'll help you, but my problem is fearing that i'll forget it if i don't do it RIGHT NOW, so knowing that the idea is written down and safe takes away that feeling of urgency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jul 2021 23:57:45 No.5529426 Report

Quoted By: >>5529448 >>5530168

>>5529238
The 12pm deadline for SMA is Japanese time correct? So for example July 28 12pm would mean July 27 8pm in PST

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 00:04:32 No.5529435 Report

Quoted By:

When do you like to draw? What’s your usual routine?

I’m struggling with my schedule lately personally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 00:17:48 No.5529448 Report

Quoted By: >>5530168

>>5529426
it say s 12pm for your timezone so idk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 00:51:14 No.5529500 Report

Quoted By: >>5529519

>>5524707
>it's just that there just are not that many good comics being made in the west.
There are plenty of good comics being made here, it's that the industry isn't kind to indies who get the short end of the stick when it comes to marketing and distribution. The word of mouth that helps manga so much isn't as widespread for indies for a number of reasons, such as being completely overshadowed by Marvel and DC superheroes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:01:03 No.5529519 Report

Quoted By: >>5529546

>>5529500
Are you saying good comics don’t become popular? Shouldn’t good things become popular, while bad things get filtered out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:23:00 No.5529546 Report

Quoted By: >>5529549

>>5529519
>Shouldn’t good things become popular
They can only be as popular as per how many opportunities they get. The thing is that indies are frequently put in a position where they can't really expand further, even if they're amazing.
Things are changing for indies as they slowly get more exposure, but that's the thing, it's happening slowly.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:24:40 No.5529549 Report

Quoted By: >>5529567

>>5529546
So is learning Japanese the only way to make it to a free and fair comic marketplace?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:39:21 No.5529564 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526096
Bruh she's using the most expensive ugliest Wacom tablet ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:40:32 No.5529567 Report

Quoted By: >>5529569

>>5529549
is it though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:41:05 No.5529569 Report

Quoted By: >>5529575

>>5529567
idk is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:43:35 No.5529574 Report

Quoted By:

>>5526096
>she
I legit thought it was a dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:44:33 No.5529575 Report

Quoted By: >>5529578

>>5529569
"a free and fair comic marketplace".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:46:17 No.5529578 Report

Quoted By: >>5529585

>>5529575
Is it? I don’t know anything

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:52:24 No.5529583 Report

Quoted By:

Reminder that you also need to take care of your health
Have time for exercise, relax for a bit, walk outside and maintain healthy diet.
Making manga is harsh and it takes a huge toll on your body (in the long run)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 01:53:48 No.5529585 Report

Quoted By: >>5529646

>>5529578
Not him but the JP comic market isn't any more fair and equitable than any other market, it's just arguably bigger than the market in the US. Lots of artists still don't get traction (you don't hear about the failures because they never even get to the west), lots of artists still get their serialization retracted because they didn't hit arbitrary reader numbers, lots of artists subsist off of poverty wages and stale bread. It's not a comic-making paradise, just a market with more room (and more people to fill it, so not even that guarantees you any greater amount of success).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:24:37 No.5529636 Report

Quoted By: >>5529640 >>5529644 >>5529651 >>5529653 >>5529657 >>5529731 >>5536944

Wait are there actually people here trying to make it in the Japanese manga industry? Like I humor the fact that you guys call what you're doing manga and not comics because I get it, you're going for the general style of Japanese sequential art. But going to Japan and trying to compete in that market directly seems foolish. Is it because thats the only way you think you'll "legitimately" make manga?

Realistically I think we'll be seeing a lot more American and European "published" (whether it be print or digital) comics imitating manga in the future. Its a huge boom waiting to happen considering most people growing up drawing and imitating comics aren't imitating typical superhero comics or indie comics. They want to do manga style. And there'll be a bunch of artists wanting to do that and readers who'll take to that style. It'll still be a competitive field and you're best off marketing yourself as much as possible and working independently in the beginning but I think it's a more reliable path.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:30:02 No.5529640 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529636
I'm pretty sure it's one or two naive anons. The other anon who actually lives in japan and draws good manga style probably spiked their hope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:33:44 No.5529644 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529636
>Is it because thats the only way you think you'll "legitimately" make manga?
Can't speak for the others but I don't believe in the whole "legitimate manga" thing. I like the style and will make comics in that style and people can call it whatever they want. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:35:50 No.5529646 Report

Quoted By: >>5529662

>>5529585
>JP comic market isn't any more fair and equitable
Felipe Smith disagrees. You get better royalties pay, you own your IP, you get paid commission on top of royalties, AND your royalties are paid up front, for every book PRINTED not sold. All of these are unheard of in the USA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:40:14 No.5529651 Report

Quoted By: >>5529673

>>5529636
I think people should aim for what they want to aim for and they shouldn’t let people like you make them second guess themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:42:37 No.5529653 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529636
Japanese market is inarguably the best for comic books. It’s tougher to get into if you’re not born in Japan, but it’s worth a shot if you’re willing to try given the higher benefits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:44:16 No.5529657 Report

Quoted By: >>5529673

>>5529636
>Realistically I think we'll be seeing a lot more American and European "published" (whether it be print or digital) comics imitating manga in the future. Its a huge boom waiting to happen considering most people growing up drawing and imitating comics aren't imitating typical superhero comics or indie comics. They want to do manga style. And there'll be a bunch of artists wanting to do that and readers who'll take to that style. It'll still be a competitive field and you're best off marketing yourself as much as possible and working independently in the beginning but I think it's a more reliable path.
This is great of you’re a consumer. Not so much if you’re a creator as all it does is add more competition for attention while the conditions remain totally shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:47:13 No.5529662 Report

Quoted By: >>5529664 >>5529672

>>5529646
>All of these are unheard of in the USA.

Image lets you keep your own IP, as do many other indies. They also have some form of royalty payments. Granted I'm not sure how good it is in comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:52:19 No.5529664 Report

Quoted By: >>5529672

>>5529662
According to Felipe, he says getting paid up front for every book printed is something he wishes American publishers would adopt from Japan.

Also, no publishers do commission pay per page for your own IP to my knowledge, because they don’t have running magazines. You make the issue, you publish the issue, you get paid a % for every issue sold. That’s how it works in the USA. At best you might get some money up front to fund your story if you give a good pitch, but you won’t get the same level of security you see in Japan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:58:39 No.5529672 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529664
>>5529662
Likewise, you don’t see contests offering up $10,000 prize money for 1st place, every month, like you see in Japan. Contests are common among all the manga publishers, and they offer very good prize money to rookies for winning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 02:58:43 No.5529673 Report

Quoted By: >>5529680

>>5529657
Rising tide raises all ships. Yes there'll be more competition, but there's been competition for decades but no water since publishers were run by older people and had no clue what younger consumers were into.
A lot of publishers and readers gave up on"American Manga" because at the time the quality of artists attempting to replicate the style wasn't very good. But its changed drastically in the last 5 years. Up until recently a lot of publishers were apprehensive about having manga style artwork unless the company specialized , usually niche ones, so your options of selling your manga style work were even slimmer. To say nothing of the wealth of self-publishing options now that bely traditional publishing.

>>5529651
I mean, suit themselves and all I just think its odd. If you want to make movies or write books you generally don't go to another country to do it even if they're more lucrative. If you want to make manga, start by making manga. Think like a doujin creator.Make them because you want to but also find a way to market them on your own if you can't get a publisher for it. Its more important to get your work out there and producing content than getting a publisher and paid for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:03:54 No.5529680 Report

Quoted By: >>5529706 >>5529710

>>5529673
>If you want to make movies or write books you generally don't go to another country to do it even if they're more lucrative.
Actually, you do sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:17:39 No.5529706 Report

Quoted By: >>5529712 >>5529714

>>5529680
Sometimes, sure. There's tons of notable directors who started filming in other countries in different parts of their career. But they didn't wait until they moved to start their careers, they were making something in their media of choice, even if it was short movies. In other words, if you want to make manga...start making manga. Don't wait until you can move to Japan and submit or take part in a competition on the hopes you might be able to break in maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:19:57 No.5529710 Report

Quoted By: >>5529714

>>5529680
Not him but I'm pretty sure this is due to researching culture and needing producer's funding
Anyway i think this whole thing is retarded tbqh. We live in the age of the internet where you can get eyes on your work no matter where you live around the world

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:21:13 No.5529712 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529706
>There's tons of notable directors who started filming in other countries in different parts of their career. But they didn't wait until they moved to start their careers, they were making something in their media of choice, even if it was short movies.
But that's what everybody here is doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:24:20 No.5529714 Report

Quoted By: >>5529724 >>5529765

>>5529706
Don’t know where you got this idea from that people are waiting until they move to draw. Going back to books, there are probably hundreds of well known examples of exactly that anyway.

>>5529710
Let people do what they want. If publishing manga in Japan is what they want, who are you say what they should or shouldn’t do? What an artist does with their art is their business and there’s no reason to be so concerned with what other people do or do not do and why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:30:13 No.5529724 Report

Quoted By: >>5529741

>>5529714
>who are you say what they should or shouldn’t do? What an artist does with their art is their business and there’s no reason to be so concerned
So dont bring it up in the general if you dont want it to he talked about, this goes for you and anyone else who does it because it happened multiple times lately. You're acting like people here are invading someone's personal business or some shit yet it's being brought up here in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:37:17 No.5529731 Report

Quoted By: >>5529743 >>5529772

>>5529636
How is moving to Japan to work in the manga industry any different than Asians moving to silicon valley to work in tech?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:45:24 No.5529741 Report

Quoted By: >>5529786

>>5529724
I didn’t even bring it up. The guy made a comment out of nowhere like “Wow. You guys are actually doing X?! I know better.” Not only is it obnoxious but it’s obviously just an attempt to stir the pot. Clearly people who make manga will have aspirations to make Japanese manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 03:46:25 No.5529743 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529731
Real answer? That’s only normal in Western countries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 04:20:42 No.5529765 Report

Quoted By: >>5530374

>>5529714
>Let people do what they want. If publishing manga in Japan is what they want, who are you say what they should or shouldn’t do? What an artist does with their art is their business and there’s no reason to be so concerned with what other people do or do not do and why.

I mean the board is Artwork/Critique and all. That includes advice in general. I'm not saying don't think about ever trying to go to Japan and try to market yourself there, just that there are so many avenues these days it strikes me like an odd goal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 04:26:39 No.5529772 Report

Quoted By: >>5529806

>>5529731
Because the American tech market wants Asians to work in tech.The Japanese manga industry doesn't particularly want westerners to work in manga.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 04:29:14 No.5529775 Report

Quoted By: >>5529791 >>5529795 >>5530060

How do you write dialogues that sounds natural?
Any ways to avoid writing unintentional bad/cheesy lines?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 04:34:07 No.5529786 Report

Quoted By: >>5529851

>>5529741
Not to mention making it big in manga in Japan, as a foreigner, is a rare occasion that should be celebrated, and that in and of itself as an aspiration caries its own merit due to how difficult and rare it is to have happen.

I think you can count in less than one hand the number of people who’ve accomplished that, and the only one to penetrate Shounen Jump so far has been Boichi.

Having high aspirations in life is something to be admired, not criticized.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 04:37:23 No.5529791 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529775
All I can really say is to try and act out the lines quietly. The author of golgo 13 never noticed he quietly says the lines of the dialogue he's writing down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 04:39:15 No.5529795 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529775
It begins with the characters’ in the scene want and what obstacles are in the way of that want. I know it might sound odd that want or the pursuit of a short term goal can dictate a conversation between two characters, but everything in a story needs to serve a purpose and move the story forward.

Here’s a video going more in depth:

https://youtu.be/lfTRuq9_X_M

Watch a bunch of films, especially those by screenwriters notorious for good dialogue like Tarantino or Sorkin, and notice how their dialogue is purposeful and driven by what the characters want. It’s actually rare that people just “infodump” exposition about the world pf themselves. Dialogue can be used to reveal character too, but it’s always subtle and purposeful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 04:49:46 No.5529806 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529772
So is this just your projected butthurt at the fact that people are “invading the purity of your favorite media?” Or at least have the desire to?

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that the end product is good. Let people aspire to whatever they want. Plain and simple, if their product isn’t good, they’ll never make it in Japan anyway, and of they do t means their content was good, and no amount of seething from crabby weeaboos will change their success.

Find better things to get upset about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 05:58:31 No.5529851 Report

Quoted By: >>5530370

>>5529786
>Not to mention making it big in manga in Japan, as a foreigner, is a rare occasion that should be celebrated, and that in and of itself as an aspiration caries its own merit due to how difficult and rare it is to have happen.
The thing for me (not sure about this other guy) is that some accomplishments are superficial when compared to others.

Like, sure, being the first foreigner to "make it" in Jump is cool, but no one really remembers the "first" when it comes to things like this. They just remember the best.

The "first" will become a footnote to other, better works that came after, unless their work is already at that tier, and if it is, then no one is going to care about them being the "first," they're just going to care that they made a good manga.

As a result, I personally don't care whether I get published over here or other there. I just want to have a good manga that people will love.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 07:03:32 No.5529933 Report

Quoted By: >>5529947

So should I learn Japanese or not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 07:19:44 No.5529947 Report

Quoted By: >>5530015

>>5529933
Do you want to write your works in japanese? No? Then don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 08:08:56 No.5530015 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529947
What steps should you take to get to Japan once you learn Japanese? I don’t understand how that works. I hear that if you get unemployed your work visa stops working so you need to stay at a job long term, but don’t assistants jump around from job to job, with stretches of unemployment? Or how about manga artists between series?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 08:48:28 No.5530060 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529775
What Araki does is he never adds dialogue that he himself wouldn't say irl. Like when you hit your toe on a table, your natural response would also be the response of the character (also taking into account their personality)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 08:50:40 No.5530063 Report

Quoted By: >>5530066 >>5530067 >>5530068

90% of this thread is mindless bullshit about the worth of an industry that doesn't care about you, does anyone here even draw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 08:52:04 No.5530066 Report

Quoted By:

>>5530063
well sloth is the most common sin of mankind after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 08:57:04 No.5530067 Report

Quoted By:

>>5530063
Then you tell me how to make a living with comics outside of Japan

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 08:59:10 No.5530068 Report

Quoted By:

>>5530063
>does anyone here even draw?
yea

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 11:08:11 No.5530168 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529426
>>5529448
the timing is depend on your profile information of location

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 11:55:43 No.5530217 Report

Quoted By: >>5531225 >>5531236

When it comes to paying tribute to other series or making parody or tribute characters, how much is too much and what do you enjoy when it comes to this in webcomics? For instance Fred Perry from the gold digger comic series features tons of parody characters and little tributes to various hsows or series he enjoys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 13:04:23 No.5530286 Report

Quoted By: >>5530291

Which usually take the longest for you guys? And which you hate the most? Lineart, screentoning, dialouges, draft?
Lineart take me the longest because im a perfectionist, and hate screentoning the most because im new to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 13:06:33 No.5530291 Report

Quoted By:

>>5530286
Used to be lineart, but I kinda learnt that spending more time on lineart doesn't really make it look any better so it's better to just blast through that bit. Drafts/storyboards are where I'm spending all my time now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 14:19:18 No.5530370 Report

Quoted By: >>5531231

>>5529851
If you had met an aspirant author who had read a ton of French novels, French philosophy, and he told you that he learned French to move to France and publish novels in France, you wouldn’t think anything of it. Yet if someone says the same about Japanese manga, you start talking about what “the thing” is for you. In reality, it’s no different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 14:22:38 No.5530374 Report

Quoted By:

>>5529765
It depends on your language and where you live. Moving to another country and publishing in that language might be a more realistic goal, even for some Westerners.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 19:02:06 No.5530703 Report

Quoted By: >>5530859 >>5530873

I tried to make him feel shoujo manga ish. boys with short hairs in general are harder for me to draw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 20:37:57 No.5530859 Report

Quoted By:

>>5530703
Doesn't exactly look shoujo but he's cute

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jul 2021 20:44:53 No.5530873 Report

Quoted By: >>5531220

>>5530703
pupils need to be the same size or the closer one to the camera needs to be bigger
if you just switch them it should be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 01:13:38 No.5531220 Report

Quoted By:

>>5530873
Yep, fixed.
I was going for cute, so it did its job haha.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 01:18:40 No.5531225 Report

Quoted By: >>5535530

>>5530217
Just don't. Theres ways to do it but it just reeks of old boomer crap like Ben Dunn and Fred Perry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 01:20:56 No.5531231 Report

Quoted By: >>5531282

>>5530370
I wouldn't think anything of it because I'd assume that he's doing it for the love of the medium--same as if someone told me they were doing the same for manga. If they told me they were doing it so that they could be "the first non-French writer of French novels that lives in France," I'd say the same thing I just said here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 01:23:29 No.5531236 Report

Quoted By: >>5535530

>>5530217
i remember getting turned off from reading a webcomic when they made a kaiji reference, and i fucking loved kaiji. just seemed cheesy and cringe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 02:06:46 No.5531282 Report

Quoted By:

>>5531231
I don’t think anyone’s trying to be the first. We all just love drawing manga

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 02:31:42 No.5531303 Report

Quoted By: >>5531620

>>5529341
I think I received similar feed back from at least two pro artists. Although I don't think they had time to provide me with a comprehensive explanation about the problem of tangents. I only vaguely recall that this is a problem because it causes the subject or what depicted to be tethered to the side of the panels compositionally, but I am still don't entirely understand why that's a problem. I vaguely recall there being explanation from a book with examples, but I couldn't find it any more. Either way better type setting and placement is something I needed to work on.

>>5529418
Sounds like a good plan, I really need to write some of these down, but I am always too lazy. I kept most of my ideas in my head.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 03:05:32 No.5531342 Report

Quoted By: >>5531374

first time posting in mmg, I'm working on a personal project of sorts as a passion project and also learning process. Spent a few days on this, looking for crit. Had plenty of troubles. Don't know what to do with the bug man on the top, I've been trying to move and resize him around for composition purposes. Really need to work on intelligent design choices in comp and values. Also had a little trouble with the foreground character, I did use a reference for anatomy albeit it's not very convincing. I tried to make it look like he's running, but it's off. Still trying to practice more persp and learn how to make interesting backgrounds as well as experimenting with screentones and hatching. Thank you in advance if anyone crits. I want to learn as much as I can

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 03:45:19 No.5531374 Report

Quoted By: >>5531392

>>5531342
Try lowering your line of horizon, or just move the character further near center if you dont wanna redo the whole thing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 03:56:41 No.5531392 Report

Quoted By: >>5531470

>>5531374
ok thank you. I think I'll just move him further center then. I had trouble with translating characters along the horizon line as you can probably tell

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 04:56:51 No.5531470 Report

Quoted By: >>5532036

>>5531392
what you need is something to scale the human. see that wall? put the human there for draft, then draw something to scale the human idk a vending machine? check scale, then transfer the human to mid using pict related

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 08:14:06 No.5531620 Report

Quoted By: >>5532077

>>5531303
On your picture, why was she naked in the first panel?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 08:49:17 No.5531641 Report

Quoted By: >>5531655 >>5531658

I'm working on this as a cover image. Any crits or major thing wrong with it before I scan and color?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 09:03:39 No.5531655 Report

Quoted By: >>5532069

>>5531641
Where will you put the title in thisbcover?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 09:07:16 No.5531658 Report

Quoted By: >>5532069

>>5531641
Hey, your line work is getting noticeably better. Good work, keep it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 15:46:39 No.5532036 Report

Quoted By:

>>5531470
Very helpful! Thanks anon ^^

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 16:12:48 No.5532069 Report

Quoted By:

>>5531655
My plan is the top right corner
>>5531658
Thank you

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 16:16:45 No.5532077 Report

Quoted By: >>5533149

>>5531620
she just got home and is changing into something more comfortable. in the context of the project, its a lewd comic, although its in a exposition sequence right now so i included some casual nudity.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 19:08:10 No.5532333 Report

Quoted By:

why give your character a double jump when you can go beyond.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 21:09:03 No.5532543 Report

Quoted By: >>5532546

I ran into another trouble..
I tried using soft eraser on the screentone but it's not giving me the fading effect that I want

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 21:11:22 No.5532546 Report

Quoted By: >>5532726

>>5532543
If you’re on monochrome, you should use the tone scraping brush. The soft one will act like a hard eraser

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Jul 2021 22:33:22 No.5532726 Report

Quoted By:

>>5532546
ok it worked thanks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 00:09:15 No.5532868 Report

Quoted By: >>5532909

My single biggest problem right now is inability to focus and short attention span, especially from my phone. I need to ditch the phone for at least a year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 00:34:04 No.5532909 Report

Quoted By: >>5532954 >>5532965

>>5532868
Disconnect your internet/WIFI, lock your phone up, walk away from your PC and don't do anything at all for a few days. Anything. Eat and sleep and that's it. Do nothing but eat and sleep until you can't stand it anymore, then keep doing nothing but eating and sleeping. After a few days THEN allow yourself to start working on your comic. Do not reconnect your internet, do not open 4chan, just turn on your PC, open up your notes and your drawing program and get to work.
Don't just think about doing this, actually do it. Alt-f4 out, turn off your PC and do it. Right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 01:00:46 No.5532954 Report

Quoted By: >>5532991

>>5532909
Realistically, if the phone and internet are available there will be a point when I cave. The phone has cellular data and it will get used if it’s in the house. I just know how I am. It’s not the real problem anyway if I’m really being honest. The real problem is that I’m just lacking motivation and a feeling like “this is fun” at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 01:06:10 No.5532965 Report

Quoted By: >>5532991

>>5532909
I also couldn’t even do this if I wanted to because I work remotely and have to use my phone with data for work so.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 01:26:20 No.5532991 Report

Quoted By:

>>5532954
>>5532965
Then I guess you'll just need to force yourself to have some discipline.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 01:54:33 No.5533033 Report

Quoted By: >>5533049 >>5533053 >>5533061

how often do you draw your characters naked [spoiler:lit] how often is it canon nudity [/spoiler:lit]

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 02:03:46 No.5533049 Report

Quoted By: >>5533123 >>5538320

>>5533033
too often, and sometimes in the canon comic pages themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 02:06:01 No.5533053 Report

Quoted By: >>5533123

>>5533033
Opening scene might feature my MC taking a bath.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 02:11:52 No.5533061 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533033
depend on the character, but for my main character, not recently. I think last time I did a lot of full nude her might be about a decade ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 02:41:38 No.5533104 Report

Quoted By: >>5533109

So I recently just got a new iPad and was wondering how I can start drawing manga on it. What would be the best app for me to use and if I should buy one of those styluses for drawing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 02:45:24 No.5533109 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533104
If it’s an iPad pro it should already come with the apple pencil. You wanna use CSP btw.

If it’s a normal iPad you can’t really draw manga on it without it being a total pain. Procreate is the most popular app for iPad, but it doesn’t let you create multipage documents iirc, and if it does, the normal iPad couldn’t handle it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:01:40 No.5533123 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533053
good...good

>>5533049
very good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:27:14 No.5533149 Report

Quoted By: >>5533158

>>5532077
the floor hurts my brain, is it out of perspective on purpose?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:35:06 No.5533158 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533149
the black line in that page was drawn on paper, I wasn't very good at keeping things in perspective, unfortunately. Although you might need to do some sort of redlining for me to properly appreciate the problem with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:42:46 No.5533168 Report

Quoted By: >>5533175 >>5533177 >>5533179 >>5533184 >>5533243 >>5533276

what do you guys think about shilling your manga on /a/? i don't see anyone here try, but i think that dog nigger guy did and he ended up relatively successful even though his art and story was shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:46:57 No.5533175 Report

Quoted By: >>5538322

>>5533168
/a/ is extremely pretentious, and anime communities tend to be very biased against OEL manga. I tried shilling my manga once on /a/ and Reddit and it merely resulted in my post getting deleted and being issued a ban.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:47:55 No.5533177 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533168
I don't think /a/ would like non-japanese manga, personally I think that guy was based though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:48:40 No.5533179 Report

Quoted By: >>5533996

>>5533168
>but i think that dog nigger guy did
He didn't do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 03:50:36 No.5533184 Report

Quoted By: >>5533231 >>5533996

>>5533168
idk who that is but that only works once in a while, posting the same OC material twice in a row make you their target.
The only reason why manga contest entries are allowed there there last time is because it was rare and posters can tell it was a sincere thread since multiple artist were in that thread giving advice and discussion.
If you're going to make thread, avoid the evening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 04:32:29 No.5533231 Report

Quoted By: >>5533240

>>5533184
Don’t forget that /a/ is full of genuinely autistic people who will spite you for the pettiest of reasons cause they have nothing else going on in their lives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 04:40:26 No.5533240 Report

Quoted By: >>5533247

>>5533231
4chan is dead, only schizo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 04:44:46 No.5533243 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533168
Only in the instance where what I considered to be appropriate discussion thread was created by someone else, like "why don't you draw your own manga" , or "why don't you write you own isekai" for example, I never got banned or hate from those threads...

but I never got any feedbacks either, so I guess its neither here or there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 04:47:50 No.5533247 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533240
seconded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 05:11:36 No.5533276 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533168
/a/ doesn't like non-japanese manga. chink manga, gook manga and webtoon threads get flamed to shit and deleted

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 05:30:17 No.5533292 Report

Quoted By: >>5533349

ok /mmg/ ONLY 2 DAYS LEFT.
I'm channeling my hardest drive to overcome my shitty ADHD and get the last 3 pages and polishing done. All prayers to my contest homies out there too! LET'S GET THIS SHIT DONE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 06:14:49 No.5533349 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533292
Ganbatte anon, I'm not in the contest but do your best! Even if you don't win, finishing is an accomplishment in and of itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 09:23:23 No.5533542 Report

Quoted By: >>5533548 >>5533552

what's something good to study for drawing environments? I can draw characters but when it comes to drawing the room/environment theyre in i feel lost, like it would take hours for just a panel. How do manga/comic artists keep their environments consistent for all the different shots? Should I just learn 3d?
I obviously know basic perspective but still it seems so daunting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 09:32:38 No.5533548 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533542
>what's something good to study for drawing environments?
Go outside and observe. Take photos if you have to.
>How do manga/comic artists keep their environments consistent for all the different shots?
They don't. Instead, they hire people to do it for them. Backgrounds are one of the things most typically relegated to assistants.
>I obviously know basic perspective but still it seems so daunting.
That's all you need really, the rest is just set dressing. Literally, I mean. All you need for environments is to decide what the environment is, figure out what should/you want to be in that environment and then figure out how to depict that environment.

When you're working alone, don't feel any shame in having bare minimum backgrounds. Draw them when it's necessary, like you need to establish where the characters are or to show the state of a place, but don't get wrapped up in drawing backgrounds. It's the same as anything else in comics: you gotta use your time wisely and cut corners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 09:38:15 No.5533552 Report

Quoted By: >>5533755

>>5533542
manga reader in general are quite forgiveful when it comes to manga having little to no back ground. There's a very popular rpg fantasy running right now with BG consist of nothing but default clipstudio materials.

that doesn't mean you should slack off thou, there are also many monthly mangaka who solo their BG.
the general guideline is, you generally need atleast 2 long shot panel (with bg) in a double page.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 13:41:57 No.5533755 Report

Quoted By: >>5533945

>>5533552
>There's a very popular rpg fantasy running right now with BG consist of nothing but default clipstudio materials.
Wait really? Can you post a link? I need to see this

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 16:47:11 No.5533945 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533755
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=165944

I forgot to type manga. Thou not all but notice most of the bg he drawn are done by assembling material together cleverly and drawn over or with the help of special brushes. You still need environmental drawing skill to make it look good and believable, the material are there only to help you cut down time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 17:33:41 No.5533996 Report

Quoted By:

>>5533184
>not knowing dog ningen and how he wants to rape his dad

>>5533179
i just remember a thread where someone tried to trash it, but multiple anons bitched him out saying dog ningen was /a/.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 19:54:16 No.5534205 Report

Quoted By: >>5534252

How long does it take you guys to complete a chapter? I'm getting to the point where, with an assistant applying tones. him and I can complete an 18-22 page chapter, colored cover, and a 2 page color spread in 4 weeks. I feel like if I wasn't held down by need to do other projects to support this one I could be doing a chapter in 2 weeks

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 20:24:09 No.5534252 Report

Quoted By: >>5534264

Only background and the last 2 pages are left, I'm so happy at the same time so mentally drained.
>>5534205
not taking manuscript in account. I am new to this craft so only one page a day at best. 8 hours of drawing in one sitting that is. I hope I will find my rhythm soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 20:29:05 No.5534264 Report

Quoted By: >>5534292

>>5534252
i love your drawings. so soulful

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 20:30:07 No.5534268 Report

Quoted By: >>5534292 >>5534381 >>5534938

pages from my my first manga that i abandoned

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 20:30:48 No.5534270 Report

Quoted By: >>5534938

i also still like some of the drawings here as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 20:39:03 No.5534292 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534264
thanks, that means alot.
>>5534268
I remember you anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 21:55:22 No.5534381 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534268
these are great dude, why abandon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 22:21:44 No.5534424 Report

Quoted By: >>5534443

I’ve been a writer for a while though drawing was my first love and I’ve recently found myself really drawn to manga and comics as a storytelling format over written novels. Am I getting in over my head with this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 22:29:33 No.5534443 Report

Quoted By: >>5534657

>>5534424
Maybe but if all else fails you could team up with an artist and just write good stories for comics/manga.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 23:17:09 No.5534526 Report

Quoted By: >>5534528 >>5534556 >>5534598 >>5535804

How and when to do a wall of text/text heavy scene in a page without it looking 'absurd to look at or too much to be read

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 23:18:14 No.5534528 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534526
Never

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jul 2021 23:40:11 No.5534556 Report

Quoted By: >>5534588 >>5534661

>>5534526
I'm open to the idea of mixing text in more with comics, frankly.
The way I see it is: a comic is already a visual/textual medium, and if you can have stretches with no text then why can't you have stretches of all text?
One answer is that people will be upset because they wanted to read a comic instead of a book, and yet if you put drawings into a book people won't complain that they wanted to read a book not a comic.
Another is that one should "show, don't tell", but that is a misunderstanding of the whole idea. "Showing" in that sense has nothing to do with visuals, it has to do with giving the reader a chance to interpret the information; and "telling" has nothing to do with text, it has to do with straight up handing the reader a conclusion with no room for them to do any thinking. One can practice "show don't tell" just fine in novels, so incorporating textual elements into a comic shouldn't interfere with that.
Maybe it's a perception that the author is ripping them off, as if the textual part is replacing drawings instead of being an addition to the normal amount of drawings? But most people do not pay to read comics anyway so it's not exactly a rational complaint for the majority of readers (even if those textual segments were replacing artwork).
I think it's most likely just a case of people hating reading, period.

It might be a bad idea just because it'll will likely annoy a percentage of your readers. For the record, I don't think it would ever piss anyone off like people froth at the mouth over that meme Togashi page, that's just a case of shitposters spamming stuff because they hate the series or something, it's free (you)s. But if you don't really care and you believe a more textual segment is the best way to present whatever it is you're considering using text for, then go ahead I reckon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:01:59 No.5534588 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534556
It’s all about execution. Boy’s Abyss is an ongoing manga, which in my opinion is very good but there’s a handful of spreads that are a whole series of interconnected paragraphs. It’s interesting the first time, passable the second time, grating the third time and I’ll be annoyed if it comes up a third. If you’re going to dedicate a page in a manga to text, make sure it’s good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:07:00 No.5534598 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534526
as long as theres PICTURES in the panels its cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:43:36 No.5534657 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534443
Maybe I should just stick to light novels instead. I don’t know. I’m so confused.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:44:41 No.5534659 Report

Quoted By: >>5534666

i submitted to the kyoto contest. just doing that much for now feels right

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:45:35 No.5534661 Report

Quoted By: >>5534676

>>5534556
text just slows down the pace of the story. the reader no longer experiences the story as the story unfolds in time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:46:35 No.5534666 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534659
good luck, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 00:50:54 No.5534676 Report

Quoted By: >>5534702

>>5534661
I'm not sure that's really true, but in any case text is just a tool like any other. Most comics already use text, as it's not like the characters can actually speak or the narrator can actually narrate. We can only indicate that there is speech or narration through text. Text is just the medium through that which we cannot convey through visuals is experienced. There's a lot that can be done with text, and I see only arbitrary reasons to limit their utilization in comics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 01:10:31 No.5534702 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534676
it can be done flawlessly.... well in that case, this was done bad, and that chapter of HxH is BAD

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 02:38:00 No.5534837 Report

Quoted By: >>5534897

How often should you do a 'breathing room' in a page of a action heavy manga/comic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:00:25 No.5534897 Report

Quoted By: >>5534997

>>5534837
What exactly do you mean by that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:22:40 No.5534938 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534268
>>5534270
This reminds me A LOT of Full metal alchemist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 03:53:09 No.5534997 Report

Quoted By:

>>5534897
anon probably means "ma" concepts in manga pacing (or japanese culture in general)
basically, tense panels are usually accompanied by a calm panel in the following to give the reader a sense of story flow and pacing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 12:50:27 No.5535492 Report

Quoted By:

>nobody posting
>everyone's working

GET THOSE PAGES DONE ANONS YOU CAN DO IT
GANBARIMASHOU!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:51:49 No.5535530 Report

Quoted By: >>5535532 >>5535837

>>5531225
>>5531236

Then I guess my next question would be what makes it cringe and how you could work around it to make it enjoyabke for the readers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 13:54:36 No.5535532 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535530
It's not cringe when the rest of the work is good enough to ignore it. There is not work around, make a good comic and people won't mind a homage or reference here and there. When the work itself sucks it just comes across as sad.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 16:37:57 No.5535716 Report

Quoted By: >>5535720 >>5535802 >>5536309 >>5536622 >>5536632

Rather than try to make it big in Japan (tip: you never will, gaijin), why dont we focus of establishing a stronger webcomic community here on the Angloweb

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 16:39:31 No.5535720 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535716
>here on the Angloweb
you fags are all pozzed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 17:38:35 No.5535802 Report

Quoted By: >>5535809 >>5535840 >>5536309 >>5536632

>>5535716
I always try to say this but everyone gets angry at me for it and I don't know why

I think we should focus on recreating the success of Japan here in the west.
People in the west clearly enjoy anime and manga today... they used to enjoy western comics in the past... clearly there's an untapped market here.

Do away with the stuffy and outdated superhero comics.. introduce more male focussed stuff into the webcomics world.

Imagine yourself, if you were to create something like Naruto, DBZ, One Piece, etc yourself(pretending that the original authors never existed).. but instead of publishing it in Japan Shonen Jump, you publish it here in the west... surely it would still become a huge success because it is a good series

We just need good stories

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 17:39:46 No.5535804 Report

Quoted By: >>5536205

>>5534526
Is this a real page?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 17:42:36 No.5535809 Report

Quoted By: >>5535813 >>5536632 >>5536911

>>5535802
People forget how popular Homestuck was. Creating a popular webcomic is doable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 17:46:28 No.5535813 Report

Quoted By: >>5535827

>>5535809
Homestuck was a lighting in a bottle and kinda popular for all the wrong reasons. If you look at the story with this webcomic it would probably be better off never gaining any real popularity but a solid, loyal and health fanbase.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 17:53:51 No.5535827 Report

Quoted By: >>5535830 >>5535835

>>5535813
Can you elaborate? I've never rezd homestuck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 17:58:38 No.5535830 Report

Quoted By: >>5535831

>>5535827
Toby Fox's (Undertale) friend made a series of point-n-click/text-based advebture game-styled comics (Bard Quest, Problem Sleuth, and Homestuck). Homestuck got incredibly popular around 2009/2010ish. Then he stopped caring and handed the series over to a bunch of twitter/tumblr mongrels and the last part of the story went to shit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:00:39 No.5535831 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535830
I don't really know *how* HS got super popular (other than the Troll's novel character designs), but it did. Problem Sleuth was better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:04:35 No.5535835 Report

Quoted By: >>5535856

>>5535827
Well, it's complicated and really long, but homestuck always had some stupid drama involved with it's fans, now when you look and compare with the bullshit we deal today is almost silly but you can see how it affected the series in a negative way.

The comic is actually great, the first half at least, but there is a lot of bloat and dumb fanservice in the second half with the author trying to balance what he wanted to do with making the fans happy with the drama and things going in behind the curtains, you can see how negatively affected the comic itself and mostly it's ending.

You could write a fucking book about, really, I've seen blog posts with 20.000 words only dealing with drama behind the scene related with the game alone, it doesn't even touch on the dynamics of the fanbase, the comic itself, it's creator and all that. I consider really interesting since I'm really fond of cyber anthropology, even more interesting then the series itself just to see how something that was so big on the internet fall of so heavily in popularity and why and how it's kinda shows how much the internet changed from 2009 to 2014. But in short, if homestuck was never as popular as it was a lot of drama and problems that affected the comic in a negative way would be avoided and all the popularity it gained really didn't helped the comic a whole lot, the quality mostly stayed the same and even dropped at some points and it would probably have a better ending that didn't feel somewhat rushed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:05:08 No.5535837 Report

Quoted By: >>5536768

>>5535530
i'm the kaiji anon.
what is your story about? i think if it's comedy or a romcom it's fine. everything kind of goes there because comedy. it's just super cringe in an action or dark type of manga with serious elements. if you were going to add humor, do it in a way that makes sense in their universe and their character. berserk did it horribly with his star wars reference, just ruined the entire thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:10:41 No.5535840 Report

Quoted By: >>5535857 >>5536632

>>5535802
well i'm with you on this one anon. i really think that is the best bet for gaijins like us. 9/10 times, a good story triumphs over all. maybe 1/10th is the packaging, like art.

if anons here dedicated themselves to create a professional polish tier manga with a great story and gorgeous art (no tumblr garbage please), even japan would kneel. hell, the whole world would kneel, because once they see someone who can break the barrier that japan is keeping, they'd all want a piece and indirectly support the movement that way.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:25:18 No.5535856 Report

Quoted By: >>5535914

>>5535835
I miss Hussie. I wish he would return to comics with Homestuck finally behind him for the most part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:25:21 No.5535857 Report

Quoted By: >>5535890 >>5535902 >>5535936 >>5536255 >>5536632

>>5535840
Right now... there's not really much of a western manga industry.
Western comics are either
>romantic yaoi webcomics for women
>childrens books for little kids
>capeshit for boomers
>sjw shit for god knows who even reads those
>4 panel comedy skits
>artsy fartsy stuff that only appeals to artists
>extremely gritty edgy stuff that only really appeals to edgy adults
What there ISN'T however..
>battle comics with unique universes and characters
>slice of life comic with appealing characters
>serious story comics like Breaking Bad.. but as a comic, something a teenager and adult would like.
>comedy comic that's more than just fourth wall breaking newspaper strips
Basically all the things manga has.. that people like about manga.. are not present in western comics. Why not?

I don't read webtoons for the same reason I don't read romantic yaoi japanese manga
I don't read capeshit for the same reason I don't watch Detective Conan or Gundam.. it's decades old and doesn't seem to end. even DBZ has become like this. I want something new and interesting

I don't read newspaper comic strips or artsy fartsy comics or etc etc either in the west OR in Japan because they're completely uninteresting to me.

I don't want to read a comic that's written in Japan... I just want to read a comic that's interesting and fun. Where it's from doesn't matter... it just so happens that currently Japan is the only place on the planet that is making these kinds of comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:46:25 No.5535890 Report

Quoted By: >>5536241

>>5535857
yeah lol I noticed webtoon tend stick strictly to a trend of story.
>slice of life comic with appealing characters
European does well at this, American on the hand however rely heavily of morning comic strip or children comic for this.
>serious story comics
I have seen many, but I think why not many people care about them is because of the accessibility and the handling of the genre.
When American do "serious" comic, it's usually too serious and short lived. Half of the time these comics are treated as netflix bait so it was never about making a comic story in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 18:53:26 No.5535902 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535857
personally, I just want to move to Japan anyways, whether I'm doing comics or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:04:36 No.5535914 Report

Quoted By: >>5536211

>>5535856
He did launch some sort of novel in a game format, I was reading it was...okay. Is a lot darker then his usual stuff but I really enjoyed the social commentary. I never finished so I can't say it's good, but I like the music.

Psycholonials is the name, I should finish since is pretty much a commentary about 2020 and now is getting kinda old, but he is coming back slowly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 19:29:09 No.5535936 Report

Quoted By: >>5536164

>>5535857
>this post
it's the same with western fiction in general - novels, television, live action and movies. all of it is shit and needs to be reinvented from the ground up.

the only thing the west has done well is video games. that's about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 23:01:47 No.5536164 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535936
lmao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 23:54:18 No.5536205 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535804
Here's the real page, from one of the most recent (lol) HxH chapters. It's a sequence from the perspective of a character whose entire shtick is obsessively analyzing every angle of a situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:02:48 No.5536211 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535914
Different anon here, I enjoyed Psycholonials. In many ways it feels more like a "real story" than anything else he's made thus far, as in it has a point and gets to it swiftly. I'd argue it's the best thing he's written, though admittedly it's not quite as creatively fun as MSPA or AIDS. Also, it actually feels like Hussie writing it instead of being handed off to some tumblrite like Homestuck felt toward the end. It feels like an allegory for Hussie's own rise to fame and subsequent loss of control over his work and secession from having involvement in it. Or at least it's easy to draw parallels.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:10:16 No.5536218 Report

Quoted By: >>5536253

https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/gnomes/root/viewer?title_no=670876&episode_no=1

I posted a manga I worked on for too long to Webtoons.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:15:57 No.5536228 Report

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:17:58 No.5536230 Report

Quoted By: >>5536280

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:19:10 No.5536235 Report

Quoted By: >>5536280

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:21:37 No.5536237 Report

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:22:55 No.5536238 Report

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:23:59 No.5536241 Report

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>>5535890
>it's usually too serious and short lived
can you tell me an example of what "too serious" means?

my manga is supposed to be a sort of dark fantasy/action sort of tale but the narrative tone i'm trying to hit is something like kurosawa/kaiji in their most intense/poignant moments. (no narrator repeating what's going on, and no zawa zawa, for example. trying to do a "show, don't tell" thing with my story.)

i'm also trying to make my manga without a ton of text, i figure it's easier for consumption/to get into for speed readers.

what else can i do to make it more appealing besides the art?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:24:04 No.5536242 Report

Quoted By: >>5536280

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:25:24 No.5536244 Report

Quoted By: >>5536280

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:31:09 No.5536253 Report

Quoted By: >>5536263

>>5536218
hey anon, if you're gonna advertise your manga, can you at least make a short description of what it's about so we can see if it's worthwhile to read?

kudos to you for actually starting/posting a manga, but i feel your characters are really unappealing/uninteresting looking and there's just no attention grabbing there for me. just my honest opinion. it's clear that you know how to draw well though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:33:26 No.5536255 Report

Quoted By: >>5536265 >>5536266 >>5536632

>>5535857
What there ISN'T however..
>battle comics with unique universes and characters
>slice of life comic with appealing characters
>serious story comics like Breaking Bad.. but as a comic, something a teenager and adult would like.
>comedy comic that's more than just fourth wall breaking newspaper strips

making a GOOD shonen story, especially after the success of DBZ, the Big 3 is way harder than ppl think. there's always room for a quality Manga, regardless of nationality, for sure, but the bar is insane

I think Promised Neverland had the greatest shonen arc since Bleach's Soul Society or Marineford. the guys who did it brainstormed it for 2-3 years before even publishing

do we have enough autustic American weebs that can concieve such a thing + have the ability to draw that? it would have to be all in their free time since drawing manga doesnt pay over here

The guy who made FIre Punch and Chainsaw Man is apparently only 26... blew my mind

i'd ask this, if a American made Demon Slayer, would it have reached the same popularity? i dont think so

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:39:17 No.5536261 Report

Quoted By: >>5536265

also Foreign manga artists dont have assistants

spending weeks on 1 chapter, to a minuscule audience prejudcied to hate non Japanese manga ? yeah thats going to kill some motivation...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:40:06 No.5536263 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536253
Fair enough. If I post again in the future I'll include a description. Thank you for your opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:41:03 No.5536265 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536255
>i'd ask this, if a American made Demon Slayer, would it have reached the same popularity? i dont think so
Demon Slayer itself only really blew up because it got a very good adaptation. It was just getting by in sales/popularity before the adaptation, then it exploded from then all the way to the end. And I'm not talking about in the west, I'm talking about its popularity in japan.

>>5536261
Yeah honestly the systemized sub-industry for hiring junior artists to speed up production is something that the east has over the west.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:45:48 No.5536266 Report

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>>5536255
DBZ is a product of being in the right place and time. right around this time, pokemon also blew up, it was a huge boom for manga in the west and also globally. the generation that grew up with all this are also the most infantile and reclusive its ever been so it also has a nostalgia factor. it's the same for the other big 3, that's why none of the newer ones can match its height of popularity.

not to mention how marketing plays a huge role in shilling manga/anime that doesn't deserve its place. i remember getting into naruto for at least 100 episodes before i got bored. with jjk and black clover, i couldn't make it through even 2 episodes.

also america also has nips and asians living over there, you know that right? burgers don't want to admit it, but america is basically the world's hotel and bitch. canada is even worse.
someone with the right work ethic can make it. it's just easier to get a better job than being a mangaka in murika. the biggest problem with murikans is that they want easy ways to make money and have access to doing this and actively promote the idea, so they typically try to do the bare minimum required for their jewish overlords.

once in a while they'll create something worthwhile like spiderverse. that shit was art.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 00:57:17 No.5536280 Report

Quoted By: >>5536303

>>5536244
First of all, good job making something.
Now, for some criticism:
The color pages look excellent, but the b&w pages are amateurish in a number of ways.
- Your use of screentones, frankly, sucks. I take it you're not very experienced using them? You've got lots of small wonky choices like sizing and density of the patterns, plus you're inconsistent with them. And in some places you've got a flat grey instead of a tone, which begs the question of why you didn't just go with flat greys for all the tones. Anyway, work on your use of tones.
- The line work is very very bland and uninteresting to look at. Not much to say here, just look at how other inked comics look and pay special attention to the actual lines.
- The paneling is wonky and doesn't really flow very well. Inconsistent, too. Sometimes you have gutters, sometimes you don't, and the size of the gutters is inconsistent and confusing. I had to read it twice because I started reading it L->R and only realized it was supposed to be read L<-R when I got to this page >>5536242. There's nothing about the paneling or text placement or composition that leads the reader to be inclined to read it in either direction, which creates a confusing aimless experience across the page.
- There wasn't enough context for where you opened on. Okay, we have a vague idea of what gnomes are based on this >>5536230 but then the transition to here>>5536235 is abrupt and confusing. You needed to give more room for the reader to breathe and for you to establish the scene, as it is it feels like I accidentally opened the book to a random page.
- and finally, a nitpick. The first characters we see when we get past the cover is... gnome Homer and Lisa Simpson. Don't do that. It messes with the whole premise, because it instantly sets the expectation that the gnomes are parody characters. Establish your tone first, and don't put such obviously recognizable references so front and center.

Anyway, don't give up fren, work hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:21:40 No.5536303 Report

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>>5536280
Thanks anon. I’ll keep going. The pages were extremely far apart, some being done with months in between them. I kept changing my approach to the shading so it would be manageable if I continued it, hence why I eventually stuck to flat greys. I’ll try to regulate it and do more narrative studies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:30:06 No.5536309 Report

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>>5535716
>>5535802
You guys keep posting "no one is doing this" even though most people in this thread are in fact trying to do this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 01:55:49 No.5536331 Report

Quoted By: >>5536345

How long will it take to learn Japanese fluently? I’m getting overwhelmed and discouraged by just how much there us it learn. Is it doable in 2 years? 5 years? I’m following ajatt atm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 02:09:22 No.5536345 Report

Quoted By: >>5536349

>>5536331
learn hiragana and katakana and some basic kanji (minimum 50 characters) and some common phrases. this itself should take about a year or less to learn if it's your sole focus.

watch japanese drama (not anime; they don't speak in normal terms), read japanese books and try to speak in japanese as much as you can. get involved in japanese communities. use japanese more often than english if possible.

not a nip, but i speak 2 other languages semi-fluently and my japanese is pretty basic. i was an ESL until i surrounded myself with only english speaking media and communities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 02:14:43 No.5536349 Report

Quoted By: >>5536415

>>5536345
I’m already studied 1300 Kanji. You can get really far in 2 weeks. I’ve been studying, but seeing Matt vs Japan’s videos have really discouraged me, since he only got fluent after 5 years with ajatt (versus the 18 months khatzumoto reported) I don’t know how much of it is just laziness on his part, since he only did 10 sentences a day, or it it’s just not possible to get that far in 18 months.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 03:10:10 No.5536415 Report

Quoted By: >>5536443

>>5536349
oh are you that anon that's trying to study japanese and manga at the same time and couldn't focus on one or the other? what's your standard for fluency anyways and what's the rush? even people who grew up knowing english all their life can barely spell properly and use proper grammar. (ie. niggers)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 03:35:56 No.5536443 Report

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>>5536415
yeah, i feel like im doing too much japanese and not enough drawing. time-management issues. I want to get good enough to write manga, at least. I may always have an accent, but I want to be able to write like a native. I decided to not give up on Japanese btw, im just a little burned out is all

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 05:33:48 No.5536622 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535716
Faggots like you are exactly why I don’t wanna publish in the west. Fuck off you shitty crab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 05:39:36 No.5536632 Report

Quoted By: >>5536698 >>5536802 >>5537105 >>5537145

>>5535716
>>5535840
>>5535809
>>5535802
>>5535857
>>5536255
There’s no money in comics, there’s a lot of money in manga. Think about it, if you’re gonna sweat shop creating a story (which you’ll do regardless of where you publish), would you rather do it for pennies in America or for big bucks in Japan? Simple as. Until the western industry allows for comic creators to reach the same level of wealth Japanese mangaka can, it’s a pretty simple decision. If you wanna be a director and make it big, you move to Hollywood. Same case here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 07:08:02 No.5536698 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536632
yeah, i read somewhere that the asian comic market was twice the size of the US comic market. It's insane

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 08:37:43 No.5536768 Report

Quoted By:

>>5535837

My ideas would definately be more comedy focused with some romcom elements. I don't plan to add stuff like that just for the sake of it. I would try to do it in a way that makes sense and adds something to the story and the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 09:26:54 No.5536802 Report

Quoted By: >>5536910

>>5536632
there is money in comic, but the barrier of entry of "making it" in comic is ridiculously higher because of how the system discourage artist from wanting to be one. You either get scouted or be an apprentice of another comic artist which is probably even harder and more short lived than Manga.
I'd say the safest bet is webtoon, if you dont mind catering to the mass, if you can do creative cheesy stories without any qualm then good for you. I wont berate people who do webtoon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 09:53:54 No.5536827 Report

Quoted By: >>5536845

Wait, why not just move to Japan?
Like, sure, maybe making it is hard, but wouldn't your name be a little more reputable, even as a foreigner, if you have, say, 5-10 years of life experience in Japan and actually LIVE there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 10:11:50 No.5536845 Report

Quoted By: >>5536851

>>5536827
grass seems greener on the other side. moving to another country is a change of lifestyle. You're talking about starting from completely 0 here. unless the place you're living in atm is already bad enough to warrant a move out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 10:20:35 No.5536851 Report

Quoted By: >>5536858

>>5536845
>unless the place you're living in atm is already bad enough to warrant a move out.
It is, though. I live in a Slavic shithole, so anywhere is better than here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 10:25:48 No.5536858 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536851
then do what you can anon, I'm an immigrant myself (though not to Japan). It took a lot of time and will for me to live a stably at the moment. Whether it'll be Japan or anywhere else, make sure that your mind is set to it and you study the environment well.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 10:43:54 No.5536878 Report

Quoted By: >>5536880 >>5536964 >>5538331

I can't write shit but I draw good

Anyway...
Is 'collaborative manga making' better? All I got is stinky ideas with no clue how to implement and continue the plot/story

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 10:45:27 No.5536880 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536878
Having someone to bounce ideas off can help, I hear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 11:39:00 No.5536910 Report

Quoted By: >>5536911

>>5536802
There’s money, sure, but not MONEY. You don’t really hear of any comic creators become millionaires off their IP, whereas it’s significantly more common in manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 11:41:29 No.5536911 Report

Quoted By: >>5536915

>>5536910
>>5535809

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 11:48:26 No.5536915 Report

Quoted By: >>5536918

>>5536911
Homestuck is internet shit and doesn’t remotely compare to manga.

Let me know when you see homestuck characters in Gatcha, restaurants, arcades, in every street corner of Japan, and just about any marketable piece of merchandise you can sell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 11:55:06 No.5536918 Report

Quoted By: >>5536985

>>5536915
All the more reason something of REAL quality can succeed, no?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 12:29:12 No.5536944 Report

Quoted By: >>5536945

>>5529636
You're right - it's a stupid idea, but god damn it we're gonna try. It helps that a few magazines are starting to branch their competitions out to international waters - even if they're considered second rate compared to the manga in Japan, it sure as hell is something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 12:31:51 No.5536945 Report

Quoted By: >>5537173

>>5536944
And pic related is the top 4 entries for the Silent Manga Audition featured in Monthly Comic Zenon. Circled one is called 'Letter to You,' which is my entry - please go and read it if you ever find the time!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 13:00:48 No.5536964 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536878
have you tried studying storytelling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 13:17:53 No.5536985 Report

Quoted By: >>5537008

>>5536918
It takes more than quality storytelling to make you a millionaire anon. If the industry is underdeveloped all your talent will simply either go to waste or toward lining someone else’s pockets. That’s the problem with the western industry.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 13:25:17 No.5537008 Report

Quoted By: >>5537013

>>5536985
Alright if we really want to continue this line of conversation then allow me to point out that the claim was "you don't hear of any comic creators become millionaires off their IP" and when presented with an example of exactly that the counterpoint was essentially that it doesn't count because it wasn't merchandised/advertised as aggressively (spoken truly like somebody who never witnessed a con between 2011-2016), failing to realize that mangaka don't receive royalties from the merchandising anyway and that no shit a single guy making a comic without the backing of a publisher isn't going to have the marketing power of fucking Shueisha.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 13:27:04 No.5537013 Report

Quoted By: >>5537017

>>5537008
>failing to realize that mangaka don't receive royalties from the merchandising
They do. It’s mentioned in Bakuman. They own partial rights to the IP. They get a % of % for merch, anime, and vidya.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 13:29:16 No.5537017 Report

Quoted By:

>>5537013
I'm fairly certain I've seen mangaka griping about deals dealt that had nothing to with them and did not net them profit over merchandise for their IP but I can't really provide a specific example so I'll just say "your source is a work of fiction" and leave it at that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 14:30:50 No.5537105 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536632
>mangaka makes the big bucks
Yeah okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:02:59 No.5537145 Report

Quoted By: >>5537156 >>5537160 >>5537416

>>5536632
>If you wanna be a director and make it big, you move to Hollywood.
Yeah because the European film scene is notoriously nonexistent and poor and has no interplay with Hollywood whatsoever.

Just because the west has a smaller industry does not mean that you have no shot whatsoever. You know what comes with Japan's larger industry? A larger worker pool. You don't have a better chance at succeeding in an industry solely because that industry is bigger. Bigger industries cultivate larger potential workbases to compensate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:17:15 No.5537156 Report

Quoted By: >>5537160 >>5537161

>>5537145
Plenty of European directors work in Hollywood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:21:32 No.5537160 Report

Quoted By: >>5537171

>>5537145
>you shouldn’t try because it’s more competitive
So like Hollywood. Big fish play in big pools, play with the big fish, you’ll grow much more than if you stay with the small fry.

Also, >>5537156
The argument being made here us simply to attack the idea that “people shouldn’t try because it’s Japan, and that makes it weird.” So now my question:

You’re trying really hard to discourage people from trying… why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:21:37 No.5537161 Report

Quoted By: >>5537174

>>5537156
Yeah and plenty of them work in their home countries. My point is that this is a really stupid example because it's not actually how the film industry works. There are film scenes all over the world because people *film* all over the world, and you don't need to move to Hollywood to be a successful director.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:29:23 No.5537171 Report

Quoted By: >>5537176

>>5537160
>You’re trying really hard to discourage people from trying… why?
I'm not, I literally just joined this conversation. If people want to move to Japan to work on manga, that's fine. I'm just not convinced that this is an "easier" route than trying in the west as some people seem to be claiming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:29:57 No.5537173 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536945
>And pic related is the top 4 entries for the Silent Manga Audition featured in Monthly Comic Zenon.
Holy shit Ink, you actually got featured in something that came out on paper? That's really cool, desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:30:25 No.5537174 Report

Quoted By: >>5537204

>>5537161
And plenty of them don’t. Plenty of them move to Hollywood to kickstart their careers. Same for actors. And that’s DESPITE the film industry being significantly more developed than comics worldwide. They have less of a reason to head to Hollywood, but they still do. So, with that in mind, what exactly is “wrong” or “weird” about a westerner moving to Tokyo to di the same with manga? Especially when the success you’ll see in manga is significantly higher if you make it in Japan than it could ever be in the west?

Fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger moved from Austria to the US to become a bodybuilder, became Mr. Olympia, became a Hollywood star, and became governor of California, yet to you, a westerner moving to Japan to make it big in manga is “weird” and shouldn’t be pursued. They should stick to competing with the small fish in the west or on Webtoons where they’ll never grow as much as they would in Japan cause the competition is lighter, and where they’ll never find the same level of success as they would in Japan. Genius plan.

Higher risk? More competitive? Ofc, but if it was easy then anyone would do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:31:53 No.5537176 Report

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>>5537171
It’s not easier, it higher reward. It’s actually significantly harder than any other route you could take, but the payoff is way higher. It’s up to others to assess if it’s worth the necessary sacrifice or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 15:55:02 No.5537204 Report

Quoted By: >>5537242

>>5537174
>yet to you, a westerner moving to Japan to make it big in manga is “weird” and shouldn’t be pursued
I literally never said this and I'm a different anon from all the people you've been talking to so far. I think you should do whatever the hell you want but you lashing out super defensively over shit I never said is starting to get annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 16:42:20 No.5537242 Report

Quoted By: >>5537416

>>5537204
A general rule of thumb to follow in anonymous forums is that if you make the decision to defend someone else’s argument for them, then you agree with all their previous statements by default, especially if those are what started/are the core of the debate at hand, UNLESS you specifically go out of your way to point out where you disagree with that person in your posts.

Moreover, if you notice the argument is hinging on that original statement made (like in this case), then the wise thing to do, is to drop it, not argue for the sake of argument. Don’t blame people for not distinguishing between you and the guy you took over from in an anonymous board, especially when the core of the debate started with someone suggesting that people shouldn’t do XYZ.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 17:33:36 No.5537305 Report

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holy SHIT IM about to turn it in, but why does the screentone look so weird on window image viewer???? I'm so scared
I dont know how to check

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 18:23:45 No.5537403 Report

Quoted By:

>>5528773
>>5529234
I made it in time, with about 7 hours to spare for sleep and a half hour break between pages
What I did was set a hard time limit of 40 minutes per panel and just kept drawing like a madman. It's possible to draw 16 pages in 4 days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 18:33:35 No.5537416 Report

Quoted By:

>>5537242
>A general rule of thumb to follow in anonymous forums is that if you make the decision to defend someone else’s argument for them, then you agree with all their previous statements by default
Yeah except I didn't do that. Nowhere in >>5537145 are my objections nonspecific. Everything was pointed.

Anyway, I'm done here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jul 2021 18:38:21 No.5537427 Report

Quoted By:

New thread

>>5537422
>>5537422
>>5537422
>>5537422
>>5537422

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 01:55:40 No.5537880 Report

Quoted By:

is it ok if I post a super brief story premise and see what people think of it?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 08:58:40 No.5538303 Report

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>>5524665
Impressive stuff, anon. I wish you good luck on the award.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 09:00:36 No.5538305 Report

Quoted By:

>>5524870
>Dungeon Meshi

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 09:24:37 No.5538320 Report

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>>5533049
Guy looks like a forgettable fag, girl looks like waifu material

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 09:26:08 No.5538322 Report

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>>5533175
>/a/ and Reddit

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Anonymous Thu 29 Jul 2021 09:35:40 No.5538331 Report

Quoted By:

>>5536878
I can't draw shit but I write good
I have some medieval fantasy stuff joggin' in my noggin that I'll put to paper one of these days

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