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Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 16:30:27 2020 No.4766555 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>4767224 >>4767346 >>4767357 >>4767449 >>4767452 >>4767461 >>4768083 >>4769990 >>4772630

>Moebius
>Herge
>Druillet
>Enki Bilal
>Guarnido
>Tanino Liberatore
>Milo Manara
>Kerascoet
>Xavier Houssin
>Juan Gimenez
>Vittorio Giardino
>Oliver Ledroit
>Gipi
>Canepa & Barbucci
>Sergio Toppi
>Alberto Breccia
Why aren't there American capeshit and calarts artists this kino and soulful?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 23:16:14 No.4767200 Report

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Because making production art designed to sell is less soul then doing whatever the fuck you want

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 23:33:31 No.4767224 Report

Quoted By: >>4767455 >>4767965 >>4769021

>>4766555
because you're gay and know nothing about american independent comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 00:21:58 No.4767286 Report

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money

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 01:05:07 No.4767346 Report

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>>4766555
how many of these cats are alive and making cool new shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 01:12:07 No.4767357 Report

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>>4766555
>Xavier Houssin
>Canepa & Barbucci
Why'd you shoehorn these in there, coomer?

ta-kun

ta-kun Mon 03 Aug 2020 02:26:08 No.4767449 Report

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>>4766555
nice digits!
The shortcomings of modern western art don't stem from lack of talent or . It stems from an environment that inhibits growth.

ta-kun

ta-kun Mon 03 Aug 2020 02:27:58 No.4767452 Report

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>>4766555
nice digits!
The shortcomings of current western art don't stem from a lack of talent. It stems from an environment that inhibits growth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 02:28:58 No.4767455 Report

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>>4767224
this. just another "i dont know about it so it doesnt exist" thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 02:31:03 No.4767461 Report

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>>4766555
Imagine having America live in your head rent free almost every waking moment in your life. Feels good man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 03:00:01 No.4767500 Report

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>>4767461
Imagine being fat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 03:01:29 No.4767502 Report

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>>4767500
You tell me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 09:46:56 No.4767965 Report

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>>4767224
>Look up what indie comics are popular with the 3 people who read them nowadays
>Woke looking and boring garbage like pic related Is what's recommended
I stand by what I said

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 10:27:18 No.4768001 Report

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Because it's easier to make these shitty threads over and over instead of fucking drawing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:07:00 No.4768083 Report

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>>4766555
Love all that stuff, but most of it has reached old classic status, and if we're going that route, there are plenty of classic American artists:
>Wally Wood
>Will Eisner
>Bernie Wrightson
>Alex Toth
>Jack Kirby
>Al Williamson
>Mike Ploog
>Neal Adams
>Frank Thorne
>Robert Crumb
>Jack Davis
>John Buscema
>Joe Kubert
>Jim Steranko
>Gil Kane
>Frank Frazetta
>Burne Hogarth
>Milton Caniff
>Alex Raymond
>Winsor McCay

And more recent artists I would rank up there:
>Eric Powell
>Mike Mignolla
>Paul Pope
>Chris Ware
>Geof Darrow
>Mike Allred
>James Stokoe

(pic attached, Will Eisner's Spirit, illustrated by Wally Wood)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 13:06:21 No.4768149 Report

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Hard to make soulful art when you're soulless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 13:19:21 No.4768170 Report

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>bitches that don't know about based Tradd Moore

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 13:28:31 No.4768177 Report

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>>4767965
To show the most popular and entry level indie comics to prove your point is cherry-picking . Dig deep beyond the noob point and you’ll find that comics aren’t superheroes, nor contemporary social political dramas about young people

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 17:07:04 No.4768468 Report

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>>4767965
You're missing out then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 21:05:01 No.4768930 Report

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>>4768170
BASED BASED BASED BASED!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 22:00:32 No.4769006 Report

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Massimiliano Frezzato
>Guardian of Mazer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 22:09:17 No.4769021 Report

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>>4767224
>>4767455
Let's not pretend American indie comics are on that level. OP is an idiot and a troll but the American comics industry has dire fucking issues.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Aug 2020 11:10:46 No.4769990 Report

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>>4766555

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Aug 2020 11:37:28 No.4770021 Report

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>>4768177
You know, as someone who continuously shits on American comics because it's all ugly capeshit, when people post a comic that has a premise that's indistinguishable from capeshit with an indie spin made by an artist who used to draw batman and some other capeshit it doesn't inspire confidence or increase my willingness to have a look.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Aug 2020 11:41:34 No.4770025 Report

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>>4769990
i like the image, but what the actual fuck is going on

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Aug 2020 12:50:26 No.4770108 Report

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>>4770021
This. There's very few Indies and artists in the US with no connection to capeshit either in their work or their past record.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Aug 2020 16:31:36 No.4770459 Report

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I laugh at the comparison of people like Moebius and Manara to hipster-level unknown American indy artists that's going on ITT

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Anonymous Tue 04 Aug 2020 17:41:13 No.4770596 Report

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>>4770459
Americans thinking that some of their shit is equally as popular or recognized overseas are just delusional lmao

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 15:51:06 No.4772609 Report

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bc people straight out of art school who think they can just /into/ comics as a quick gig submit crap that was penciled, inked and colored completely digitally. they don't draw from what was laid down by classic artists like eisner, adams, or buschema and are illiterate in any sort of visual communication or stylization outside of whatever cartoon they grew up with or currently watch. old school artists made comics the same reasons but the difference in training and media is what separates the former from the latter

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 16:04:38 No.4772627 Report

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>>4770021
>>4770108
You aren’t wrong, I’ll tell you that. But I wanna ask you, what exactly would attract you to US comics? What’s holding back that interest? Like, if we were to erase superhero and superhero adjacent books, would you still read a comic? And don’t take this as me trying to convert you, I just wanna hear from a guy who only reads what I assume euro comics and manga stuff. ic related has a few Canadian, Korean, and euro comics on the list. But all I could recommend on my own are slice of life comics, action thrillers and comedies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 16:06:21 No.4772630 Report

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>>4766555
>>but who wasn't Alex Ross?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 16:19:03 No.4772661 Report

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>>4772627
>What’s holding back that interest?

Lack of cute looking idealized female characters (yes I am a moeshitter), or just cute/simple art styles that still requires strong fundamentals in general (think of Herge, manga like Yotsuba or pic related). Other than more cartoony and stylized comics, most of what I've seen since the digital era ranges from butt-ugly to just average and bland when It comes to how fuckable or appealing the characters look like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 16:41:49 No.4772713 Report

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>>4772661
You should read Melissa, that's a cute comic with an adorable moe loli

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 17:21:12 No.4772771 Report

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>>4772627
It's purely about subject matter and art quality, I come to comics and manga to see fresh designs, environments and crazy stories that I can't find elsewhere. Non super hero american comics have often already passed through the lens of marvel and DC since that's the available talent pool, I can feel the influence from a mile off, from the anatomy of characters, stiffness of action, line art, metallic colouring and subject matter.

I did at one point look into american comics and read a bunch of random shit like Watchmen, Scott pilgrim, saga, east of west, some other entry level popular non capeshit but it wasn't good enough to get me to dig deeper. Nothing I see from the outside feels fresh or inspired the way otomo, nihei or moebius does. I never look toward american comics, even the indie stuff for design or style inspiration, it always comes from Europe or Japan. There's a vague sense of it all being kind of cheesy and imitative.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 17:53:48 No.4772839 Report

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>>4772771
Pretty much this, other than Hellboy and Sin City/old Frank Miller in general there aren't many american comics that I consider influential to me artistically.
Don't get me wrong, I don't consider the generic anime look godly like most weebs do, but in the right hands like pic related, It can look really appealing and well-made in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 18:11:50 No.4772869 Report

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>>4772839
Is it Akihiko Yoshida? Where can i download this book?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 20:12:35 No.4773084 Report

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>>4772839
I like a lot of japanese artists and manga/anime, but i hate how limiting and flat it is as a style. When every character is perfect, cute and youthfull it loses it's appeal and it becomes dull. I think that's my biggest problem with Japanese artists, they want to appeal to the otaku crowd because they are the ones with the money, so they sacrifice good character design for moe and bland waifu bait. I especially hate Japanese fantasy style, it's the reason why i hated the fantasy genre until i found artists like Mike Ploog. I wish there was more anime that was "ugly" like Ping Pong the animation, Kabukichou Sherlock or Tokyo Godfathers, those anime had really good character designs.

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