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JUMP Tezuka Manga Contest General

Anonymous Fri 15 May 16:12:55 2020 No.4578862 View Reply Original Report

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https://medibang.com/contest/jumptezuka100th/entry?lang=en

General thread for discussion of entries, contest prep, and related topics. Link the entry you're talking about unless replying to another poster.

Previous thread: >>4567126

Don't be a tool. Read the contest rules.

FAQ:

> isn't everyone gonna get BTFO by the JP entries?
No, separate prize pools

> do covers have to be black and white too?
Uncertain. Color them at your own risk.

> what's the page size?
Unspecified. It's recommended you work at at least 600 DPI regardless.

> do entries have to be shonen stories?
All genres are allowed, but keep in mind that this is still a Shonen Jump contest.

> Western reading direction or JP reading direction?
JP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:17:27 No.4611693 Report

Quoted By: >>4611695 >>4611733

>>4611685

The writing is the easy part.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BrandSanderson/videos

You just have to follow Brandon Sanderson lectures.

He pretty much writes in a Shonen/YA fashion. His books are YA on steroids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:19:10 No.4611695 Report

Quoted By: >>4611698 >>4611700 >>4611704 >>4611733

>>4611693
Why do people say it takes 10 years to write anything decent then? Some people even equate writing to brain surgery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:20:28 No.4611698 Report

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>>4611685
I don't actually write anything prior to post production and type setting, but doing that is easily a whole 2 12 hour work days per chapter.

>>4611695
It probably does take that long to write literature, but we're making comics where hopefully 80% of the story can be told visually by scene composition alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:20:42 No.4611700 Report

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>>4611695
We are trying to write a manga here anon not the next great american novel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:22:23 No.4611704 Report

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>>4611695
Don't overthink about writing too much anon, unironically overthinking about just my drawing skills prevents me from drawing itself and takes away all the fun. Just aim to make atleast something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:35:58 No.4611733 Report

Quoted By: >>4611752 >>4611767 >>4611841

>>4611695
>>4611693
Writing literature and writing for comics/TV/film are COMPLETELY different things with completely different approaches.

While Sanderson’s lectures are good for getting you to think about specific things for larger stories, they’re not gonna teach you, nor prepare you for writing short stories, one shots, and manga chapters.

I’ve personally found this channel to be significantly more useful:

https://youtu.be/CIqrWXeiFUs

I’d also recommend you pick up as many books on screenwriting as you can. Like Save the Cat, and so on. Think of it this way, you’re writing a pilot for Cartoon Network, not a 1000 page fantasy epic. Jump and the manga industry don’t work much differently from your average American TV network. And the rules and techniques for screenwriting be it film or TV apply to manga as well. You don’t have time for a slow burn, you gotta grab your reader by the balls within the first 3 pages, and keep them interested for the remaining 52, and leave them satisfied enough to wanna tune in next week.

Oh, as an aside, the common writing technique used in Japanese manga is the ???? KiShoTenKetsu. I suggest you look into it. It’s a very useful, not exactly technique or structure, but in my experience, mindset to take when writing manga, because it’s very flexible, and applies from the macro to the micro. From entire arcs, to scene structure, and even page composition in some cases. It’s also more nuanced than it initially lets on, don’t just read about it and think “oh it’s the 3-act structure,” cause it’s not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:42:38 No.4611752 Report

Quoted By: >>4611785

>>4611733
I can vouch for this. I fell in love with Kishotenketsu early on and was able to write a lot of satisfying stories with it. (At least for a newbie writer). It's also the concept that led me into studying Robert McKee, since McKee's book is based on the concept of the "turning point" which is what Kishotenketsu is based on. McKee is basically applied Kishotenketsu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:50:37 No.4611767 Report

Quoted By: >>4611781 >>4611785 >>4611841

>>4611733
Oh yeah, also, this goes back to the previous discussion we were having about Kubo, and Digimon and Miyasaki and so on... I wanted to avoid it as I didn’t wanna get into it, but for the sake of leaving some good advice ITT... don’t overthink things. You’re not a teenager anymore, but you’re writing for teenagers. You need to think back to the sorts of things that actually interested you from the ages of 10 to 17, because that’s your target audience. Now, this doesn’t mean make it stupid, because there is plenty of room for depth, and kids are smarter than people let on, but anime fans DO have a propensity for over analyzing the medium, so much so, some people even make a living out of writing lengthy video essays doing a rather pointless critical analysis on a children’s cartoon. What I mean to say is, entertainment comes first, deep themes and philosophy are the things you sprinkle in to teach a lesson, or to make it appeal to adults AS WELL, but your primary audience is kids and teens. And something people seem to forget, using Digimon as an example as it was brought up, is that even Digimon wasn’t above silly poop jokes, and is incredibly simplistic and formulaic. Which isn’t a bad thing, this is what I mean by learn to look at things objectively. Put your defensive hipster anime critic in the locker, and look at media as an opportunity to learn HOW to write. Shows that are successful are successful because they WORK. You need to learn how to do that. The philosophy and deep themes come after that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:56:49 No.4611781 Report

Quoted By: >>4611793 >>4611841

>>4611767
according to https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-04-22/shueisha-reveals-new-circulation-numbers-demographics-for-its-manga-magazines/.145991 which is a literal translation of data given by wsj itself.
27.4% of readers are 25 years old or older, 25.8% are 19-24 years old, 17.6% are 16-18 years old, 16.4% are 13-15 years old, 9.6% are 10-12 years old, and 3.2% are nine years old or younger. We're talking 50% over 18, another 20% almost adult, 25% of the kids you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 16:58:12 No.4611785 Report

Quoted By: >>4611841

>>4611767
2/2
Hell, even Evangelion, the holy mecca of pretentious anime nonsense for idiots like Mother’s Basement used a monster of the week plot formula, and even had an episode where Shinji and Asuka beat an angel by dancing together snd using the power of friendship. What I mean is, anime “critics” love to out a magnifying glass on on the deeper themes in anime, while overlooking the simpler more fundamental stuff that makes it tick, as well as the silly nonsense. Stop listening to those people. And stop listening to that voice in your head telling you to listen to people like that. And I don’t just mean the “Animetubbers” but the 20-30 yos on 4chan whom you’ve grown so used to talking to to develop your “taste.” Your target audience isn’t 4channers, it’s Japanese kids and teenagers.

Put your “taste” aside, and learn to look at what goes into making mainstream successes a success in the first place, structurally. You’re not above learning from people like Kubo, Kishimoto, or the Fairy Tail guy cause their manga are “shit.”

That’s my final say on that topic. Best of luck to all, now I’m off to sleep while I regret staying up to type this tomorrow.

>>4611752
Absolutely, I’m always looking for new ways to improve how to write, even though I’m not the writer in my team. There are still several things I struggle with, but lately I’ve been drafting up story outlines and turning them into names cause they’re so much fun. KSTK really is magic when it comes to helping you solve a structure problem. You start to develop a bit of an instinct for the pieces you need in place to make a story work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:01:57 No.4611793 Report

Quoted By: >>4611806

>>4611781
Alright, then feel free to write a super deep and complex insight into the human psyche. You’re not grasping at what I’m saying here... in order to be able to do stuff like that, you FIRST need to understand how to construct a story so it’s entertaining above all else. You first need to capture your reader’s attention with something entertaining, before you start throwing Nietzsche in their face. Your first chapter is NOT gonna include any of that at all. Otherwise you’re better off writing a Seinen which is where people are more forgiving for the slower burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:07:52 No.4611806 Report

Quoted By: >>4611838

>>4611793
>in order to write good, you need to be a good writer!
wow thanks einstein, just wanted to statistically prove you wrong. Most of jumps audience is young adults aged ~20 average, not 14 year olds as you seem to think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:16:15 No.4611830 Report

Quoted By: >>4611847

You're never gonna win with this lack of soul having to analyze how to write a fucking manga lmaaaaooooooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:20:13 No.4611838 Report

Quoted By: >>4611848

>>4611806
Stop being pedantic and arguing for the sake of arguing and work on your reading comprehension.

Also, I’m well aware that plenty of adults read shounen manga. All of the people I work with talk about Kimetsu, Shingeki, and One Piece on the regular, but guess what, the kids do too. The magic trick is making something that appeals to both kids and adults, which, starts by learning to make it appealing to kids first and foremost.

Anyway, that’s enough for tonight, I’m off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:21:34 No.4611841 Report

Quoted By: >>4612495

>>4611733
>>4611767
>>4611781
>>4611785
So are you saying structuring a basic plot isn't that hard? That the hard part in writing screenplays and novel is the actual putting together of words and that in comics our drawings will do most of the expressive work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:24:51 No.4611847 Report

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>>4611830
post your art

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:25:20 No.4611848 Report

Quoted By: >>4611885 >>4612415

>>4611838
>call it a kids medium
>get btfod by statistics
>s-stop being pedantic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 17:47:39 No.4611885 Report

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>>4611848
True, kids and manchilds :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 18:10:31 No.4611949 Report

Quoted By: >>4611972 >>4612495

Fuck sake /ic/ this discussion is confusing.

Are Shonen Jump readers mouth breathing retards?

As I have a rough outline of the 55 pages. Just need to start polishing each individual pages, will post a couple of random ones here for critique later. But, my story draws on Roman history, several religions and rolemaster combat system.

I might have wasted twenty days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 18:19:43 No.4611972 Report

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>>4611949
>But, my story draws on Roman history, several religions and rolemaster combat system.
Sounds like a fucking mess and you're going to blame your readers for not following your schitzophrenic rantings

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 18:44:45 No.4612051 Report

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>>4611635
>contest for being published in a magazine and possibly making it your career
>"can i just steal something?"

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Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 21:39:17 No.4612413 Report

Quoted By: >>4612495

>>4610197
p-pls respond

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Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 21:40:39 No.4612415 Report

Quoted By: >>4612500

>>4611596
Resize your shit nigger.

>>4611848
What do you think the "shounen" in "shounen manga" means?
The magazine has a very clearly stated intended audience, and will no doubt be looking primarily for things that audience might be interested in reading.
That doesn't mean it can't have depth or be "girly" (teenage boys love cute girls, especially if there's plenty of T & A), it means this website's demographic is not the same as the demographic you should be writing for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 22:26:43 No.4612495 Report

Quoted By: >>4612505 >>4613273

>>4611841
If you haven’t been keeping up, writing a novel and writing a screenplay are totally different things that require different techniques. If you’re trying to write a screenplay like you do a novel, you’ve already fucked up. Second, idk about you personally, but I find it fairly easy to go from outline straight to name once I have a clear breakdown of my scenes, how many pages each scene should aim for, and the intended purpose and general flow of each scene. The hardest part of writing for manga is actually staying within your page limit, yet still having that satisfying crescendo. Many beginners tend to overestimate just how much they can fit in 55 pages/30 pages, etc...

The skills of a mangaka are more akin to those of a film director, learn to think like a film director.

>>4611949
>I might have wasted twenty days.
You might have, but it’ll be easier to judge once we see it. You don’t really have a lot of room to explain much in a single one shot (it’s not a Ch1 remember, it has to be self-contained), so you really have to stick to the bare basics in set up: who what where when (toss the why and how into your ketsu). The most important thing is that you get some sort of character arc with emotional payoff, or if you’re working with mystery/horror, a neat twist that surprises the reader (who pulled the trigger?). A combat system I don’t think is something you should really bother to explain in a one shot, unless you can do it in a couple lines during the action.

>>4612413
Sorry, I forgot to do it when I got home. Like I said, it didn’t work on my phone, and I work in an Elementary school, and from the looks of the thumbnail it seemed pornographic, so I wasn’t about to use the school computer for it. Today’s Friday though, so I’ll give you feedback (next thread likely).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 22:27:45 No.4612500 Report

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>>4612415
This, Jump especially had core values they tend to promote with their magazine. Both Bakuman, and Araki in his book mention this. If you wanna write a shounen that’s more out there or gnarly, then Kodansha is your guy. Though Jump does tend to stray something too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 May 2020 22:30:56 No.4612505 Report

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>>4612495
>and from the looks of the thumbnail it seemed pornographic, so I wasn’t about to use the school computer for it.
Completely understandable but don't worry its not, zero nudity. I wouldn't even say its particularly ecchi.
>Today’s Friday though, so I’ll give you feedback (next thread likely).
Thanks dude I really appreciate it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 00:39:34 No.4612714 Report

Quoted By: >>4612719

>>4605964
>>4606309
Are you sure about that? The exact phrase they use is "open to the right".
That sounds like it means Left to Right to me.
I mean, it is for SJW so it would make sense for it to be R to L, but is there any clarification beyond the phrase "open to the right"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 00:43:28 No.4612719 Report

Quoted By: >>4612979

>>4612714
>The exact phrase they use is "open to the right".
>That sounds like it means Left to Right to me.
What kind of ESL are you
Open to the right means it starts on the right. How on earth could you think that means you end on the left. Do you end on openings?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 00:56:42 No.4612740 Report

Quoted By: >>4612746 >>4612772 >>4612799

Honestly considering the translation job they did for the rules, I wonder if any of the foreign entries are even going to be coherent when they're translated for judging

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 00:59:49 No.4612746 Report

Quoted By: >>4612772 >>4612799

>>4612740
I would hope the Japanese translators could write legible Japanese better than they can write English

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 01:20:17 No.4612772 Report

Quoted By: >>4612799

>>4612740
>>4612746
It’s easier to translate into your native tongue, all you need is to understand the target content. Which shouldn’t be difficult considering it should all be dialogue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 01:47:40 No.4612799 Report

Quoted By: >>4612938

>>4612740
>>4612746
>>4612772
>inb4 all foreign entries are doomed after shoddy translations from translators paid by tin cans per day
Would it be wise to offer a translation yourself and save them the work? Would it even be against the rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:05:02 No.4612938 Report

Quoted By: >>4612953

>>4612799
They might find the offer a bit rude. If you’re willing to go that far, might as well enter it into a proper Jump contest like ???

https://www.shonenjump.com/j/mangasho/shinsekai/

Just mail it in, or use the weblink right there. They take foreign entries so long as they’re in Japanese. If you’re under 31 pages, you can also enter normal Tezuka:

https://www.shonenjump.com/j/mangasho/teaka/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:13:39 No.4612953 Report

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>>4612938
Also, JP Tezuka has a slightly delayed deadline. 9/30 rather than 9/1.

It’s what I’m doing. I’m entering Rosenrot in English into Medibang Tezuka, and in Japanese into Shinsekai. Then I’m doing another 31 page one shot specifically for JP Tezuka.

You’re also not limited to whenever Medibang hosts a contest either. Shinsekai is monthly for example, Tezuka bi-yearly (March and September), and they have like a half-dozen other rookie contests each year:

https://www.shonenjump.com/j/sp/comics.html

Kodansha, Shogakugan, and Kadokawa all have their own yearly/monthly contests as well. You can check them out by going to their respective pages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:23:12 No.4612979 Report

Quoted By: >>4612985 >>4612994 >>4612996

>>4612719
But if I am flipping pages in an english book I am opening pages "to the right".
I am going from left TO right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:29:42 No.4612985 Report

Quoted By: >>4612989

>>4612979
That's even dumber, you open a book on the left

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:31:59 No.4612989 Report

Quoted By: >>4612991 >>4612996

>>4612985
But I move to the right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:34:10 No.4612991 Report

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>>4612989
you know what just do left to right and get disqualified, I give up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:34:52 No.4612994 Report

Quoted By: >>4612999

>>4612979
You're dragging the pages FROM left TO right. If you're reading a japanese book you're dragging the pages FROM right TO left.

"To the right" = Opening pages from the right.
Honestly the way they worded it is ambiguous but it makes sense if you just look at the bigger picture.
This is a competition run by the japanese for the japanese. They read books from right to left.
So... why would they throw that out the window? They're not going to flip a submission so that it reads from right to left when they print it. They want submissions to be printable, so they want them to be read from right to left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:35:34 No.4612996 Report

Quoted By: >>4613007

>>4612979
>>4612989
You’re overthinking it.

When it doubt, just use simple deductive reasoning. A Japanese publisher would never prioritize a foreign printing style over their own. They’d say “both are ok” or “Japanese only.” The fact that they bothered to specify means they want Japanese only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:38:48 No.4612999 Report

Quoted By: >>4613192

>>4612994
I agree. It does make sense to match the Japanese reading order.
It's just that that phrase is unclear to me and it's really bugging me.
Actually I set an email to the organizers asking for clarification.
If I get a response I will post it here or in subsequent threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:40:24 No.4613007 Report

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>>4612996
I know, I know.
I overthink a lot of things.
Not a pleasant way to live ones life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 03:43:16 No.4613010 Report

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OP should make a new thread soon btw. This one won’t last the day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 05:26:09 No.4613192 Report

Quoted By: >>4613198

>>4612999
So I got a response from Medibang.
They responded:

"Yes, entries need to follow the Right to Left format commonly found in Japanese publications."

So you all were correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 05:27:14 No.4613198 Report

Quoted By: >>4613206

>>4613192
Ask them if the cover can be in color

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 05:31:45 No.4613206 Report

Quoted By: >>4613215

>>4613198
The rules say monochrome only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 05:36:34 No.4613215 Report

Quoted By: >>4613231

>>4613206
At this point I’m just planning for a B&W cover but it’d be good to get that clarified

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 05:45:24 No.4613231 Report

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>>4613215
I sent a follow up question. I'll post when I get a response.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 06:11:14 No.4613273 Report

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>>4612495
btw if the thread is dead and a new one isn't made for whatever reason, feel free to just DM me on pixiv

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 06:44:13 No.4613324 Report

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New thread.

>>4613322
>>4613322
>>4613322
>>4613322
>>4613322
>>4613322

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