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Anonymous Mon 11 May 02:26:21 2020 No.4566814 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>4629263 >>4636948

>Animation Thread Discord
https://discord.gg/Ju9NuWN

>51 exercises to try
http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

>Books basic program tutorials, etc.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg
https://mega.co.nz/#!TdclgBqS!QWLS9f3ogerhJDfxCYPv_yFKRR11tP_IC0eaA4sEwug

>Reference
http://www.referencereference.com/
https://vimeo.com/groups/aniref
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvspTjApofA2Yg3i10gTdQ
http://www.rhinohouse.com/

>Anime .gif/.webm repository
https://sakugabooru.com/post

>Play YT videos frame-by-frame
http://rowvid.com/
or just pause the video and use the , and . keys (This doesn't always work but worth a try)

previous thread: >>4465207

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 00:41:02 No.4629252 Report

Quoted By: >>4629363

Studying dances.

>>4626170
>duplicate a copy of a frame analogous to F6 in Animate
Alas you can't
>snap to horizontal/vertical lines
You have any kind of rulers in any direction avaliable to you
>how to copy/paste pixels from one place to another on the same layer.
You can't. The very principle of copy/paste in CSP is that pasting occurs **only** on new layer.
You can youse copy stamp tool though.
>>4626523
Well I have direct opposite opinion, even after two years of using TVPaint I still could not get used to it, it's interface was made by some aliens and simple human logic didn't help me to comprehend it. CSP on the other hand is the most comfortable animation tool I've ever seen.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 00:50:31 No.4629259 Report

Quoted By: >>4629277 >>4629381 >>4630028 >>4637233

Is RETAS studio still good for animation?
I've tried it and it seems competent enough, but it seems slightly outdated.
Do studios in Japan still use it?

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 00:51:39 No.4629263 Report

Quoted By: >>4629363

>>4566814
Blair Walk cycle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 00:56:08 No.4629277 Report

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>>4629259
PaintMan isn't for animating, it's professional tool for coloring line animation. Every animation studio in Japan using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 01:35:27 No.4629363 Report

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>>4629263
Idk if you are missing frames or extremely rough it looks like it is limping
>>4629252
Lacking a lot of appeal but again I guess taste plays a factor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 01:40:49 No.4629375 Report

Quoted By: >>4629404

What's this push for csp for animation
No professional studio uses csp for animation
Even in Japan they used fucking Toon boom for your name
And most of Europe uses tvpaint
>Hurr Durr who cares about the industry
No these are PROS they will use the best software that's the easiest to use for their needs
Tv paint and toonboom are the best for doing paperless animation

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 01:42:55 No.4629381 Report

Quoted By: >>4629451 >>4630028 >>4631045

>>4629259
I'm also trying retas and it's fine for what it is, but it's full of odd quirks, like little white dots that don't show up in the actual workspace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 01:55:39 No.4629404 Report

Quoted By: >>4629412

>>4629375
TVPaint cost $1500
Toonboom cost $1200
CSP cost $80

>What's this push for csp
Yea, I wonder

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 02:00:01 No.4629412 Report

Quoted By: >>4629901

>>4629404
Holy shit do you pay for fucking Photoshop
The drive folder for this thread has a exe for tv paint
Stop making stupid excuses BC you got some fixation for CSP because u wanna be Japanese

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 02:19:08 No.4629449 Report

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>>4625662
ty anon

>>4625447
the flip looks good af but when hes running he should be leaning a bit forward

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 02:21:20 No.4629451 Report

Quoted By: >>4630028

>>4629381
holy fuck that almost looks like anime
should i use only RETAS for drawin

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 06:40:38 No.4629901 Report

Quoted By: >>4629908

>>4629412
Since I am publishing commercial products, I simply can't use pirated software. Don't want to be fucked in the ass, you know. CSP has no alternatives in it's price segment.
But putting that aside, maybe you tell us already why are you so butthurt about other people using CSP? It's not like they are forcing YOU to use it under the gun barrel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 06:45:22 No.4629908 Report

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>>4629901
There is some pearchy ppl claiming like it is the BEST program out there for paperless animation where it is far from it. If you personally like it stick it with it but don't say other programs are hard to use or difficult compare to CSP while other programs are built for animation.
>Commerical work
Lmao
A file is a file no one can find out if you used a cracked program to work on it
It is like saying a PSD file used with a pirated photoshop is different someway
If you wanna be that nervous go right ahead but sounds to me you just wanna find excuses to use CSP for animation
Good luck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 07:59:20 No.4630028 Report

Quoted By: >>4630278

>>4629451
>>4629381
>>4629259
no, RETAS is not a good program for animating. Take my word as i put an animation through the entire process. Firstly you work from folders not a timeline like on TVPaint or CSP or even photoshop. You will have key frames in those folders named according depending on the x-sheet. if you dont know how to set up an x-sheet you cant continue the animation on to core retas. Thats where you compile everything.Unless you work in a team with other animators do not fuck with retas. It is not designed for private users. Go learn tvpaint for great timeline playback, audio syncing and storyboarding.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 11:11:17 No.4630278 Report

Quoted By: >>4630476

For those who want to learn how to use CSP from Japanese professional animators, I've posted this resource before. Go subscribe their channel.

Interesting videos from people who made a living as animator in anime industry. Specifically for how to use CSP.

Desuran/Keisuke Kojima (animator, director, storyboarder, debuted at gainax after graduating high school and now belong to Revoroot):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKbp7v96LAI

Gosso / Shota Goshozono (young freelance animator, recent work: FGO Babylonia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_xxRUZbvt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms6BjeNW2Ls

Gift studio (related to Kinema Citrus and often assisted their shows, one of veteran animator that I know is Satoshi Mori) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8zdUTNPGmU

You could download the materials they use for CSP here:
http://giftanima.net/?page_id=782

This one is foreign webgen animator from Germany, fundamental to use the software (CSP) and Q&A session:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUO3wrCnOFk

Hopefully this helps.

Addition:
https://www.pixiv.net/fanbox/creator/42164070
This fanbox is consisted of talented animators/director/animation producer, lots of awesome posts/tutorial/tips from them. Also yes, you shouldn't go for RETAS unless you're running an animation studio. See this post >>4630028

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 14:02:29 No.4630476 Report

Quoted By: >>4630605 >>4630624

>>4630278
All their videos are super rough animation not even clean animation
Far from production ready and I'm sure these guys who started with PAPER are using CSP as something super quick to put down ideas
Again CSP is so limited you either have to take your animation to another program to take it to the next level
That's what 80 bucks get you
With Toon boom or tv paint you can get from rough to final production ready animation
Japan even used Toon boom to finish off Your Name
I have no idea why you will force yourself to use this shit animation program like CSP when Toon boom and tv paint is alivable because you are too lazy to learn it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 15:29:44 No.4630605 Report

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>>4630476
I understand if you belong to a studio like WIT, Colorido, Signal.MD, they will provide you TVPaint and you have to learn it. But aside from that, if you're working as freelance a freelance animator, Adobe Flash and CSP are easier, cheaper, and totally production ready if you're not a retard. There will always be a ton of other guys who will take care of your stuff no matter how messy it is. The Production Assistant will handle it, if your LO and KA are too messy there are bunch of 2nd KA ready to clean it up.
>Japan even used Toon boom to finish off Your Name
I won't consider Shinkai's studio as a standard in animation industry. Their inhouse animators are meh. All the amazing animators in Your Name worked with paper, Okiura, Ando, Hamasu, Tanaka, Kagawa, etc. Maybe Norio use digital, but then again, we all already know Norio is using Adobe Flash. I think why Shinkai used Toon Boom is because he's more focused on photography/how the backgrounds look like itself.

Other analog animators like Masaaki Iwane are also learning CSP, Nobuyuki Mitani also uses CSP nowadays because it's the easiest to learn. Also he made a poll on twitter asking his colleagues what software did they use:
https://twitter.com/mitanikokuti2/status/944003441491243011

536 votes:
CSP: 57.8 %
Flash: 10.8%
TVPaint: 7.1%
Others: 24.3%

In another poll, he asked his colleagues who are still working with analog, what soft they want to use if they have to work digitally.
https://twitter.com/mitanikokuti2/status/1022719095504949250

1st: CSP
2nd: Blender
3rd: Flash
4th: TVPaint

I know some amazing animators that use TVPaint. Yamahitsuji team at Colorido are using TVPaint, although most of old/analog in-house animators at Colorido themselves still don't fully grasp how to use it. Kou Yoshinari and his pals at Signal.MD like Kei Suezawa also use TVPaint, but they like to keep their knowhow (to make oil painting like textures) a secret (see FLCL Progressive #05).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 15:42:16 No.4630624 Report

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>>4630476
>All their videos are super rough animation not even clean animation
Are you really THAT retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 19:05:41 No.4631045 Report

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>>4629381
that bear is beary cute anon. where is he from?

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 04:46:24 No.4632131 Report

Quoted By: >>4632207 >>4632314 >>4633109 >>4637277

How much should one charge for animated commissions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 05:37:36 No.4632207 Report

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>>4632131
I have the same question

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 07:01:19 No.4632314 Report

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>>4632131
Depends on the length and complexity of what you need. A simple minute long infographic could be as low as $250, but something like a huge ass 10 minute fight scene could be $2000 or more. Most freelance animators have a rate per minute (or just a flat rate if it’s super short), and that rate varies based on experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 17:20:57 No.4633109 Report

Quoted By: >>4633140

>>4632131
For animations I usually charge per frame, around $10 to keep things accessible.
I also have YCH-style commissions where I charge $5 since the template is already done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 17:44:25 No.4633140 Report

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>>4633109
I've never heard of someone doing per frame before. Is it per frame or per drawn frame? Like if something is on 2s 3s or 4s? Theres only 1 drawing but it lasts multiple frames

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 05:38:27 No.4634454 Report

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Glen Keane is amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 06:05:20 No.4634500 Report

Quoted By: >>4634517

Hey everyone, I'm trying to set up a crack of Toon Boom Harmony and getting a weird little License Wizard alert after installation where I can't open the program. I'll post the alert in a second. Just asking for help getting this working.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 06:20:20 No.4634517 Report

Quoted By: >>4634527

>>4634500
So this is the crack I'm trying to use:

tpb.party/torrent/26487728/Toon_Boom_Harmony_16.0.14155

The instructions said to run as admin and first install the software, and then before opening the software, run license wizard (provided in the download) using the password 'countryboy'. After this finishes, however, and it seems to be good to go, when I open Harmony I get the front screen for a second but then it disappears and I get pic related.

I'm not quite clear what it's saying, even?... The popup that comes up is for the License Wizard again, and it says the service is running, and seems to indicate things have been restored?... but then when I try to run the software it still doesn't work.

Anyone have any insight? I usually have no problem setting up these cracks, it's just acting weird in this case.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 06:31:03 No.4634527 Report

Quoted By: >>4634735

>>4634517
Run it as admin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 09:24:50 No.4634735 Report

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>>4634527
Thanks. Yeah this was the problem. I had thought I was, but I guess running as admin from cmd didn't work, needed to right click the files.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 19:44:08 No.4635622 Report

Quoted By: >>4635896

So Blender 2.83 LTS came out a few days ago (first time they've done an LTS release I believe), and they've completely re-written the 2D Animation tools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbL-rJv3BpI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nKXOZvc-Gk

https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-83/ (scroll down to the light blue area)

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 21:35:33 No.4635896 Report

Quoted By: >>4637273

>>4635622
How do you put a audio track in for playback with your 2D animation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 06:09:53 No.4636838 Report

Quoted By: >>4636840

2D animation is actually insane. You have to draw so many fucking drawings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 06:12:14 No.4636840 Report

Quoted By: >>4637280

>>4636838
thats why people default to limited animation or rigs
rigs get shit but i can think of at least 20 examples thats rigged thats amazing
one example trangled show

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Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 07:44:19 No.4636948 Report

Quoted By: >>4636993 >>4637152

>>4566814
How much longer does a 2d animation take to make than a 3d one on average? Is it that much longer? Considering really basic shading, for instance, and considering that the 3d animator already has all his assets made and ready.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 08:09:43 No.4636993 Report

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>>4636948
It depends on the complexity of the project.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 10:14:38 No.4637152 Report

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>>4636948
If drawn frame by frame 2d will take WAY longer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 11:26:44 No.4637233 Report

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>>4629259
where did you get it? been looking for it.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 11:47:51 No.4637273 Report

Quoted By: >>4637584

>>4635896
hope i'm not late, you drag it into the 'video sequencer' tab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 11:52:12 No.4637277 Report

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>>4632131
approx time it will take x desired hourly rate

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Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 11:56:00 No.4637280 Report

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>>4636840
There's also the painted animatics that World of Warcraft did. Warbingers shorts. Mostly just deformed drawings, transitions and rigs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 15:55:23 No.4637584 Report

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>>4637273
thank you friend.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 17:07:05 No.4637684 Report

Quoted By: >>4637736 >>4638177

Is there really no way to flip the canvas horizontally in Blender for 2D Animation like in any other drawing program!?
Google gets me nowhere here.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 17:51:44 No.4637736 Report

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Follow up post to >>4637684 also noticed how the eraser tool literally doesn't erase.

Really wanted to give it a try since most youtubers are praising it but fuck this, I'm going back to CPS for animating and coloring characters there, then exporting the sequence to blender if I need 3d elements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 21:36:12 No.4638168 Report

Quoted By: >>4638386 >>4638531

I want to make a 5 minute cartoon. How do you plot out your script before you begin storyboarding? How do you measure how long each scene needs to be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 21:43:03 No.4638177 Report

Quoted By: >>4638197

>>4637684
try pressing 9, or making a hotkey to scale the camera to -1.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 21:54:16 No.4638197 Report

Quoted By: >>4638214

>>4638177
how do I hotkey that?
Also how do I hotkey rotating the camera in an specific axis, google is not helping with this neither even when adding quora or plebbit at the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 22:03:35 No.4638214 Report

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>>4638197
I'm not sure how to set up a hotkey, but you could change the X scale of the camera by setting up a driver rig.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 23:59:12 No.4638386 Report

Quoted By: >>4638397

>>4638168
make a beat sheet of what you want to happen, then write the script. depending on how you write, usually one page equals one minute. try to cut any fat from the script as best you can, because once you hit storyboarding every little action takes so much longer than what you thought, so that way it leaves room for adding and fixing what doesnt work.

this is different for everyone, but in my opinion, its best not to take too long writing a script, as the entire story may not work when you actually board it. so all that time wasted on writing couldve been avoided if you start doing rough boards as you finish maybe your second or third draft.

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Anonymous Tue 09 Jun 2020 00:05:32 No.4638397 Report

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>>4638386
Thanks Anon

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Anonymous Tue 09 Jun 2020 01:30:03 No.4638531 Report

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>>4638168
This might be helpful.

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