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Why did no one tell me classic spider man was boss?

Anonymous Sat 27 Jan 23:46:41 2018 No.98337107 View Reply Original Report

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Compared to the cucked version we have now, Stan Lee's classic version is GOAT

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jan 2018 23:48:28 No.98337128 Report

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We don't tell anyone because most people start from the bottom. Only fags jump into current plot lines of established heroes.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jan 2018 23:54:56 No.98337219 Report

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>>98337107
wasn't it mostly ditko? if i remember correctly, he contributed the plots later on. it felt almost like a personal story. lee added the polish, of course. also i felt it read like a finite project up to the point ditko left

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 00:00:58 No.98337300 Report

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>>98337219
Yeah, it became mostly Ditko over time. And admittingly even post-Ditko Stan Lee Spider-Man was still better than current Spider-Man.

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Brucewayne5150 Sun 28 Jan 2018 00:05:01 No.98337364 Report

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>>98337107
It was Ditko not Lee that made classic Spidey so good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 00:15:14 No.98337503 Report

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>>98337107
>Stan Lee's version

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 00:20:59 No.98337578 Report

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>>98337503
>>98337364
Let's no get in on this. Look believe it or not Stan Lee was considered one of the better writers in the day because his dialogue sounded better than the other people. While yes Ditko did the art and the pace Lee was the one who helped Characterize Spidey. HAVE YOU READ MISTER A? They were good, he was good with Romita, and I just want to talk about Classic Spider-man.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 00:54:55 No.98338051 Report

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>>98337107
Hmm, yeah, your thread is pretty strong, OP...

BUT IT'S NO MATCH FOR MY AMAZING SPIDER-STRENGTH!

It's moments like pic related that make classic Spider-Man great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 01:29:01 No.98338545 Report

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>>98337107
I'll tell you what ruined Spider-Man. It was the "relatable" meme. Lee/Ditko Spider-Man wasn't just some average fuck bumbling around. He had talent, but he had to refine and master it. He was Amazing because of his drive for competition and desire to self-improve.

However, because Peter was a relatively normal guy compared to the billionaires, super soldiers, super scientist explorers, gamma monsters, and gods, that's where the "he's relatable" meme started. Modern Peter is written to be average and a fuck up, because hack writers think that's the only way people can relate to him.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 01:30:29 No.98338578 Report

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>>98338545
Breevort/Quesada were a mistake Slott is the mistake evolving into a bigger horror.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 01:35:33 No.98338665 Report

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>>98338578
Well Slott's leaving soon after writing his newest EPIC SHOWDOWN WITH NORMAN OSBORN. Whether that helps at all remains to be seen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 01:51:02 No.98338948 Report

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>>98338051
>Spider-Man goes to the Fantastic 4's tower to join them
>Gets trapped by a machine
>Ends up fighting them instead and then telling them he doesn't need them before he leaves
That was kinda funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 02:02:02 No.98339138 Report

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>>98337107
Stan Lee is always a "co-creator" he stills credit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 02:02:46 No.98339153 Report

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>>98338545
I've been saying this for years. I hate the whole "relatable" bullshit or how Peter's this little midget kid/bitch in anything other than the comics.
I'll always remember during Secret War when he made the x-men look like children.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 02:09:48 No.98339262 Report

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>>98338665
It'll end with Norman getting away again and more Doc Ock wank.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 02:18:20 No.98339440 Report

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>>98337578
>MISTER A
Gawdawful stuff.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 02:28:21 No.98339641 Report

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>>98339440
t. collectivist hippie

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 02:37:23 No.98339825 Report

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>>98339641
Mr. A vs nuSpider-Man when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 03:38:42 No.98340935 Report

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>>98338545
>Modern Peter is written to be average and a fuck up, because hack writers think that's the only way people can relate to him.

Sounds like he got the real Iceman's personality, R.I.P.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 03:48:19 No.98341232 Report

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>>98338545
more "relatable" than dc heroes at the time, i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 04:18:28 No.98342083 Report

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>>98338545
I know everyone knows this, but it was really OMD that put the nail in Spider-Man's coffin. JMS' Spider-Man was trying to do what he thought was right using his skills in being a science teacher. He was being a man and working on his relationship with MJ. He was acting like an adult and being truthful with Aunt May. Then OMD happened and all that went away. Not just the plot, but the general ethos of the character. There was no more progression, no more sense of adulthood, just permanent manchildness. Even when Slott tried to get Peter to be Iron Man, he just kinda slid into it, first at Modell Industries and then at Parker Industries.

They ruined Marvel's one and only best character. Spider-Man died in 2007. What's left is nothing but an empty suit.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 04:19:25 No.98342103 Report

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>>98337107
What does cuck mean this week?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 04:33:00 No.98342435 Report

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>>98342083
>Even when Slott tried to get Peter to be Iron Man, he just kinda slid into it, first at Modell Industries and then at Parker Industries.
That's because Slott doesn't care about writing a character. He only cares about STATUS QUO WILL NEVER BE THE SAME and whatever retarded childish idea that enters his head.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 04:45:57 No.98342752 Report

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>>98342435
I hate to sound pretentious here, but Slott made me realize in a very harsh way that he, and so many other comic book writers, are not actually writers, in the professional sense. He doesn't care about character arcs or subtlety or pacing or building tension or real drama or giving characters proper voices or anything that comes with the actual skill of writing. Comics have a rep for being for kids because they are written like that.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 05:08:22 No.98343371 Report

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>>98339262
I hate how hard they're baiting us Spideyfags with Mephisto. Red Goblin looks like Mephisto. Aunt May coughing up blood at the beginning of Slott's Parker Industries run, hinting at finally dying, Mephisto literally showing up in SM/DP, and finally Mephisto showing up in Marvel's April 2018 solicits for Scarlet Spider with the tagline going something like "we all know what Mephisto's done with Spider-characters! Mary Jane and Peter need to be together again already. jfc

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 05:15:37 No.98343553 Report

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>>98338545
>He was Amazing because of his drive for competition and desire to self-improve.

So, to write a good Peter Parker, one must write Son Goku?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 05:33:05 No.98343995 Report

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>>98342435
When you get down to it, JMS' Spidey technically was changing status quo, but the thing was that it was doing it slowly and naturally in a way that made sense for the most part. Hacks like Slott and Quesada come up with some shit idea that they think is genius and instead of thinking "How can I implement this naturally over time," think "I better put this in the next issue/arc"

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 05:36:56 No.98344059 Report

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>>98343995
For example, science teacher Pete vs. "Dude what if Pete was Iron Man/Batman"

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 05:52:18 No.98344339 Report

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>>98337578
Yeah, Ditko is an incredible artist, but he is no Jack Kirby who could make his own idiosyncratic but amazing dialogue and stories.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:17:07 No.98344879 Report

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>>98337107
Changing times and stuff

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:23:15 No.98345010 Report

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>>98337107
I liked how the 90s cartoon tried to pass him off as a nerd when he was built like a big beefy jock.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:28:20 No.98345139 Report

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>>98345010
Look at that shirt and tell me he's not a nerd

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:34:34 No.98345307 Report

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>>98343553
What would he think of Peter if they met?

Would they have a good fight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:38:46 No.98345424 Report

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>>98345010
He was based on Romita-era Spidey, who was a science whiz, but was also a low key chad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:42:26 No.98345512 Report

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>>98345139
That shirt is like a glasses on a girl in a John Hughes movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:46:38 No.98345588 Report

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>>98345307
The fight depends on if Spider-Sense works on IT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:50:07 No.98345653 Report

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>>98345588
Safe to assume it does based on Jiren.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 06:56:18 No.98345751 Report

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>>98343553
Every character should be Goku, tbqhwu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 07:05:09 No.98345909 Report

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>>98337219
If This Be My Destiny was the thematic climax of Ditko's story. His idea was that this was the point where Peter finally made up for his failure to save Uncle Ben by saving Aunt May.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 07:15:22 No.98346077 Report

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>>98342083
>Even when Slott tried to get Peter to be Iron Man, he just kinda slid into it, first at Modell Industries and then at Parker Industries.
He wrote a good rich Parker, Peter isn't the type of a multimillionaire and making SpOck to make him rich was a good choice.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 07:27:47 No.98346307 Report

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>>98337107
Same goes for Iron Man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 07:48:12 No.98346696 Report

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>>98346307
Does Iron Man have more enemies who are dudes in power armor than Flash has speedster enemies?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 07:55:31 No.98346817 Report

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>>98346696
Well... kinda, yeah.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 12:41:10 No.98349048 Report

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>>98342083
You make several valid points but I’m going to dismiss them on account of (((Straczynski))).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 12:46:10 No.98349074 Report

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>>98345307
But could he beat Super Spider God Super Spider Man Blanco?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 13:02:46 No.98349164 Report

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>>98337107
Well, Spider-man was Marvel's flagship character for a long time.
Shit, does Marvel even have one of those any more?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 16:10:50 No.98350768 Report

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>>98342435
>STATUS QUO WILL NEVER BE THE SAME and whatever retarded childish idea that enters his head.

This is an issue with most writers nowadays. All they can do is just shake the status quo temporarily as a short term interest for their title, and then magically bring everything back to the way it was. Even writers who've been at this for a long time fell into that trap. I don't if it's because of a lack of talent or desperation because the comics medium is dying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 17:56:07 No.98352185 Report

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>>98342752
It's not about being for kids or not, but you are right that they are not professionals.
It's the age of high concept, cool moments and decompression, with no regard to actually organic storytelling, without second thought that maybe what the writer wants to do is not a good idea.
The story does not grow naturally, the circumstances are bent to the needs of the writer.
This is just plain lazy.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 18:06:30 No.98352325 Report

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>>98345010
everyone in 90s marvel animation was built that way though. it was pretty weird but the 90s were an EXTREME time after all

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 18:08:08 No.98352345 Report

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>>98337107

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 18:10:39 No.98352386 Report

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>>98345307
Peter would be horrified at Goku's sheer lack of responsibility and concern for those around him. He'd also be freaked out by Goku's battle mania, most Western heroes don't actually enjoy fighting, they just do it because they have to in order to help people and stop evil.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 18:13:05 No.98352420 Report

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>>98352345
Well, remember when Peter was a teacher and stopped the school shooter and straight up said, that's what I would be if I didn't become spiderman?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 18:38:58 No.98352757 Report

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Spider-Man's one of those heroes whose story should have had an actual end. I read all of the Ditko/Lee/Romita comics when I was a kid, and they felt like a growing story, something that had actual progression. Batman and Superman are extremely well written, but their arcs are all pretty much standalone. They can keep going forever because they're symbols.
Spider-Man is a person though, and he should have a real end to his story, or at least kept aging. Instead we're stuck in a time loop of permanent mid-20's Peter Parker that will never evolve or be anything other than Slott's pet.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 19:19:21 No.98353343 Report

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>>98342083
I knew the ride we were in for when Slott re-introduced Mary Jane after Brand New Day. I can’t find the panel, but I remember she was resting on a sofa with a book in her hand that referenced demons. And it was an obvious reference to OMD. I knew Slott was poking fun at readers, who were clearly still feeling the fresh wound of the marriage breakup. I knew we were going to keep getting shat on. I just never predicted how long it would keep going. And then they released One Moment In Time, which confirmed Marvel was doubling down on their decision. That’s when I knew Spider-Man was dead. But really, it could all be traced back to pic related.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 19:19:41 No.98353349 Report

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>>98352757
I know the ending.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 19:40:12 No.98353592 Report

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>>98342083
>There was no more progression, no more sense of adulthood, just permanent manchildness.

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN READING BIG 2 IF YOU WANT PROGRESSION?

Holly shit, just join me and enjoy Hellboy and other creator owned stuff.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 20:33:12 No.98354370 Report

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I know which is why I get unreasonably angry when casuals call Raimi Spider "the best movie Peter". Peter was never a stuttering spineless faggot nerd in the comics

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 20:35:08 No.98354394 Report

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>cucked
Opinion discarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 20:42:52 No.98354501 Report

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>>98354370
He cried like twice the whole movie. His best friend was dying, literally what's wrong with that?
In the trilogy's best scenes he has the same determination as Ditko's. https://youtu.be/g1cWS0EGKlo

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2018 20:47:36 No.98354561 Report

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>>98354501

He always has the looks frightened or about to cry and he just generally looks like a pushover and not like classic Peter. Not muh Spider-Man. I liked Garfield's version a lot more even tho he wasn't perfect either. I need to watch Homecoming again but from what I recall, Tom was better than Tobey

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