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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 23:39:20 2017 No.94793675 View Reply Original Report

Gentlemen, how can the Western comic industry reach a new renaissance?

https://storify.com/debaoki/what-does-japanese-anime-manga-deliver-that-us-pop

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 23:40:11 No.94793692 Report

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>>94793675
i'm not gonna read your article "anon"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 23:42:05 No.94793729 Report

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>>94793675
That was fucking awful and while it touched on a few pertaining subjects, the rest of it was a pile of hot steaming rubbish that failed to capture both American comics and Japanese comics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 23:43:44 No.94793760 Report

Quoted By: >>94795815

>>94793729
Care to explain?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 23:51:54 No.94793936 Report

Quoted By: >>94793962

>>94793675
Easy by using the old japanese system
By catering to your old consumer base instead of pandering to new ones with shitty gimmicks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 23:53:05 No.94793962 Report

Quoted By: >>94793982 >>94794131 >>94796821 >>94799487

>>94793936
Big two doesn't equal the entire industry/medium

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 23:53:47 No.94793982 Report

Quoted By: >>94794156 >>94799487

>>94793962
Let's be honest here; in terms of issues sold/market share, it is the industry in North America.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 23:54:56 No.94794009 Report

Quoted By: >>94795142

>inb4 the same trite argument that American comics should go back to newsprint and publish phonebook anthologies without understanding why that works in Japan and would flop massively here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:00:21 No.94794129 Report

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>The huge variety of stories that don't feel like they're edited by soulless executives and market test results.
>We don't doubt/dispute that. But their editors results are more interesting. The fact that there's a manga called My Girlfriend is a T-Rex.
>i've been to a few image expos when they announced titles and felt the same way. even the cooking comic was grim (and unappetizing)
>Im referring to starve, the cooking comic drawn in burrito diarrhea brown tones
>If you had to read either Starve and Food Wars, which would you choose? The one that actually makes you hungry, dammit. Guess which one
>a manga reader can go out and pick from literal thousands of long running complete gay romance stories, and you want $4 for 1 gay character?
>anyway My Hero Academia is read by more people in America than Batman is, bye
>As well it should. My Hero Academia is way more fun than Batman. Just sayin'.

Savage

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:00:24 No.94794131 Report

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>>94793962
>Big two doesn't equal the entire industry/medium
it is the industry

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:00:53 No.94794142 Report

Quoted By: >>94794219 >>94796472

to me personally one of the most off putting things is how fucking retarded it is to read some of these comics.

Like you'll be reading green lantern and you get to GL7 and suddenly it's like "Oh you want to know what happens next? better read Emerald Warriors 3-5" So you read that, then it's back to GL8-9 only to then read Green Lantern Corps 2-4 which is an entirely different comic before heading back to emerald warriors 6 and 7 then finally wrapping it up with green lantern 10 through 12.

Also skipping any of these issues means giant plot points get resolved off panel, so you bounce around 3 different comics to get one story.

Fuck everything to do with that. At least with a manga it's like, here this is volume 1, next comes 2 and so on until the series is fucking done. There's no author changes and no book changes until the story is fucking done. Which is part of why I loved things like say, transmetropolitan, just a massive start to finish story. If comics want me to read them more, actually tell a full fucking story before trying to get me to read some other comic somewhere.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:01:25 No.94794156 Report

Quoted By: >>94795023 >>94795904

>>94793982
And that's the sad part

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:02:22 No.94794183 Report

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>>94794129
>My Girlfriend is a T-Rex

That's a really good manga actually. We need more monster girl manga in general. Monster Musume was a good start but not enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:02:31 No.94794188 Report

Quoted By: >>94794216

>>94793675
Nice, I can't wait to see your imperialist capeshit hegemony getting fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:03:37 No.94794216 Report

Quoted By: >>94794313 >>94794332

>>94794188
>Thinking every Western comic out there is cape

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:03:48 No.94794219 Report

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>>94794142
>Like you'll be reading green lantern and you get to GL7 and suddenly it's like "Oh you want to know what happens next? better read Emerald Warriors 3-5" So you read that, then it's back to GL8-9 only to then read Green Lantern Corps 2-4 which is an entirely different comic before heading back to emerald warriors 6 and 7 then finally wrapping it up with green lantern 10 through 12.

This hasn't been a thing since the '90s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:04:36 No.94794245 Report

Quoted By: >>94794272

>>94794129

You know I have to question that first one because from what I know of Dragon Ball Toriyama was the editors bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:05:16 No.94794259 Report

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>>94793675
>defending japanese editors
What a fucking retard
Jap editors do more harm than good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:05:19 No.94794260 Report

Quoted By: >>94794361 >>94794711

Didn't read the article but...

Shared universe with frequent crossovers

Constant retcons

Constant mega events

Heavy emphasis on serialization while simultaneously refusing to really change anything long term, and keeping the status quo

Diehard fans love a lot of these things but it alienates casual and potential new readers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:06:03 No.94794272 Report

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>>94794245
The editor was for the best though
Kubo couldn't communicate with his editor so things went horribly wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:06:52 No.94794287 Report

Quoted By: >>94794602

>>94793675
The western comic industry is in a pretty good state, it is the American comic market which is in a shit state. Mostly because you had to isolate your comics in dusty shops owned by morons. Outside of America, you can easily stumble across comics casually which is why it is doing so much better.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:06:54 No.94794291 Report

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>>94794129
sounds like nu/a/ to be honest

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:08:11 No.94794313 Report

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>>94794216
It's either cape or degenarate garbage about alternate lifestyles and some other fabricated american sentimentalist first world bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:09:05 No.94794328 Report

Quoted By: >>94794376 >>94794416 >>94795323

>>94793675
>listening or linking to Deb "alt-right" Aoki
>>>/pol/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:09:20 No.94794332 Report

Quoted By: >>94794493

>>94794216
It might as well be. You go to a comic shop and it's capes, capes capes, and then a corner where there's Mike Mignola, 2000AD and Tintin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:09:40 No.94794340 Report

Quoted By: >>94794602

>>94794129
>The huge variety of stories that don't feel like they're edited by soulless executives and market test results.
It's kinda ironic when Japanese market doesn't allow anything that deviates from their common tropes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:10:13 No.94794352 Report

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Finally the OEL manga rises

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:10:33 No.94794361 Report

Quoted By: >>94794399

>>94794260

I feel like DC is doing a lot to address those issues right now but they aren't perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:11:09 No.94794376 Report

Quoted By: >>94794395

>>94794328
what does this topic have to do with /pol/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:12:02 No.94794395 Report

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>>94794376

Literally nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:12:10 No.94794399 Report

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>>94794361
We just had New 52 and Post Crisis Superman merging their histories

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:13:10 No.94794415 Report

Quoted By: >>94794439 >>94794507 >>94794590

>>94793675
>literally 90% of the answer are BECAUSE IT'S DIVERSE/SJW bullshit

women ruin everything

everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:13:12 No.94794416 Report

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>>94794328
>Deb "alt-right" Aoki
what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:14:13 No.94794439 Report

Quoted By: >>94794589 >>94795052

>>94794415
They can't ruin anime/manga.
Western agenda crap is here and Japan is over there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:14:34 No.94794447 Report

Quoted By: >>94794555

>>94794129
>The huge variety of stories that don't feel like they're edited by soulless executives and market test results
wut? a lot of original stories are axed because they deviate and dont follow the standard format

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:15:33 No.94794465 Report

Quoted By: >>94794530 >>94794738 >>94795226

As a cartoonfag that rarely read comics apart from the occasional popular indie ones and webcomics, I can tell you why I don't personally read them:

Because they're dumb. Reading a story of a character that's been going on for 50 to 70 year with no real promise of a satisfying end, constant retcons and a whole bunch of parallels and crossovers to other comics which you have to read to make sense of all the clusterfuck is stupid. Manga's have a habit of milking their shit too but atleast A) They're consistent and straight forward with their storylines; no retcons, no re-imaginings, no crossovers B) They're far more options available in the market, some even being more self contained and shortened and C)You can read that shit for free online.

I know having a none comicfag who doesn't have as much of an understanding of the industry as someone who does actually read and care for the medium has a lower say in these discussions, and for good reason, but since the whole topic is about why not as many people enjoy comics or downright put off by it I feel my two cents might come some weight in this sort of topic.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:16:13 No.94794478 Report

Quoted By: >>94794614

>>94794183
Centaur's worries is one of my favorites manga and has an airing anime right now, you should check it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:16:52 No.94794493 Report

Quoted By: >>94794553 >>94795280

>>94794332
That depends on the comic shop. There are three nearby here, and one is mostly indies/local/small press with a smaller section of capes, the other is pretty much a Big 2 store with a half-assed spattering of Image, and the third is a big mix of the two, with huge sections for capes and non-capes alike.

Also, Western =/= US. Comics in the US are dominated by Big 2, no doubt about that, but the Euro scene is much more varied.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:17:36 No.94794507 Report

Quoted By: >>94794589

>>94794415
I think they meant genre/presentation/audience diversity Anon
Manga has sports titles that actually go in depth about sports

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:18:34 No.94794529 Report

Quoted By: >>94797390

>>94793675
start making a variety anthology magazines (think Shonen Jump, 2000 AD, Spirou) that are available in grocery/bookstores (like archie comics), from a variety of companies, featuring a variety of genres, targeting a variety of age groups

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:18:38 No.94794530 Report

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>>94794465
>>94794465
>C)You can read that shit for free online.
Readcomiconline's getting more well known
I told a librarian about Cerebus and she googled it immediately
Found a Readcomiconline link right away and she thought Dave already kicked the bucket after I told her that it'd go public domain when he dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:19:32 No.94794553 Report

Quoted By: >>94794682

>>94794493
>Euro scene is much more varied
Varied, yes. You get to choose either that one of those endless Spirou rip-offs, or delve into some high fantasy sci-fi bullcrap which is even exhausting to look into the cover art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:19:44 No.94794555 Report

Quoted By: >>94794687 >>94797343

>>94794447
They are axe because they arent popular or perform worst than a new series..

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:21:08 No.94794589 Report

Quoted By: >>94794638 >>94794651 >>94794699 >>94794738 >>94794792 >>94795426 >>94795871 >>94798866 >>94799141

>>94794439
They're trying.

Look at "Anime Feminists" and cunts taking over Crunchyroll and Funimation.

There was some drama recently about getting someone who drew porn kicked out of an artist alley at an convention (and wanting to get Fakku kicked out too)

Women literally ruin everything. I can't think of ONE THING an increase of women hasn't ruined. It hurts so much because I'm a woman

>>94794507
>more asians
>more women
>gays
>"my daughter is only interested in stories about gay women"
Women ruin everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:21:11 No.94794590 Report

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>>94794415
>Diverse = Gender/racial/minority diversity
They mean genre diversity you literal retard. As in, 75% of the industry isn't just capeshit with the same characters.

You can make Iron Man black and a woman but that doesn't change the fact that it's still Iron Man and with it all the generic stories, same villains, overuse of crossovers and it's ineviteble retcon and re-imagining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:21:30 No.94794602 Report

Quoted By: >>94796277

>>94794287

That...actually is a good point. The west as a whole isn't suffering comic-wise. It's America.

>>94794340

It IS ironic. Yet Food Wars being a shounen manga about food is somehow more appealing than Starve, despite the similar premise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:22:00 No.94794614 Report

Quoted By: >>94794853

>>94794478
Ive heard about this but only vaguely. I.E. I've seen the bits where they compare their vagina's.

I might check it out though if it's legitimately good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:23:01 No.94794638 Report

Quoted By: >>94794866

>>94794589
>"my daughter is only interested in stories about gay women"
There's nothing wrong with yurifaggotry.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:23:22 No.94794645 Report

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Manga is not that tight on copyright so we have hundreds of free manga and translation sites while comics are pretty tough on that shit which makes manga and anime more accessable. I mean a lot of people in my country have read a lot of manga and watched anime but I know for a fact that non of them ever bought the stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:23:40 No.94794651 Report

Quoted By: >>94794707 >>94794717 >>94795871

>>94794589
>Crunchyroll and Funimation.
It's not like they're going to have an actual impact on what the writers/executives put in
The Japanese domestic audience wants none of that crap

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:24:51 No.94794682 Report

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>>94794553
Not really. You still see the shelves mostly cover the Big Two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:24:57 No.94794684 Report

Quoted By: >>94794903 >>94794912

>>94794129
Manga artists are also the writers and are paid absolute shit compared to american counterparts.
If we went the japanese route, cutting costs by going black and white, having the artists be the writers too, releasing them in 10 dollar collections of multiple series, instead of 4 bucks a piece, we might get more subscribers, but the demand on the artists would be intense, the pay would be little and they'd leave the market for better paying jobs.

Mangaka are celebrities in japan, so the harsh conditions and low pay is made up for by the adoration of the public.

In the US, only stan lee pulls that kind of adoration anymore. No one will double their work and cut their pay for less fame than a c list anime voice actor

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:25:01 No.94794687 Report

Quoted By: >>94794842 >>94794848

>>94794555
and why do you think they are not popular in the first place?
protip: its the same reason that made this manga very popular

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:25:25 No.94794699 Report

Quoted By: >>94794780 >>94805355

>>94794589
>There was some drama recently about getting someone who drew porn kicked out of an artist alley at an convention (and wanting to get Fakku kicked out too)
Nearly more than half of Doujin artists in Japan are women. It's just that some people have not much better to do with their own lives. And that some people do dwell on west.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:25:41 No.94794707 Report

Quoted By: >>94794885

>>94794651
The problem is that CrunchyRoll pretty much killed fansubbing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:25:46 No.94794711 Report

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>>94794260
Hell, a lot of the diehards are fed up too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:26:02 No.94794717 Report

Quoted By: >>94794961 >>94795871 >>94795882

>>94794651
We said that about Japanese video games.

Look at video games.

You get them taking out shit, there was some interview with a video game director that they don't put in things because they know it will upset the western feminists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:27:00 No.94794738 Report

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>>94794465
Yeah, the fact that comic books never end is another thing that's off putting about them.

I don't mind a long story, but eventually there should be an ending. Maybe i they just let different writers write their own complete story for a character with a beginning middle and end it would be better.

>>94794589
>It hurts so much because I'm a woman

Sure you are.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:28:45 No.94794780 Report

Quoted By: >>94796648 >>94805355

>>94794699
>Nearly more than half of Doujin artists in Japan are women
dont forget that some of them are actual little girls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:29:10 No.94794792 Report

Quoted By: >>94794870 >>94794905

>>94794589
>There was some drama recently about getting someone who drew porn kicked out of an artist alley at an convention
Really? Nearly every comic artist has drew or been drawing porn in their lives.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:29:56 No.94794812 Report

Quoted By: >>94794881 >>94798276

>>94793675
Speaking as someone who loves both /a/ and /co/ material, it's no surprise manga is way more popular than comics by the simple fact that they are waaaaaay easier to get into

>Want to start reading a series? Start by the first issue.
>Which first issue? The only fucking first issue there is.
>Worried about retcons to your favorite series? Shit is essentially nonexistant in manga.
>Do you have to read/buy an issue of another series you absolutely don't care about because the plotline you were reading just gets continued in another comicbook? Fuck no.
>Am i going to have to go back and read 60 years of issues? Are you reading fucking Doraemon? Then no.

Those are just some of the points.
Not even mentioning all the diversity in manga titles there is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:30:59 No.94794842 Report

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>>94794687
>and why do you think they are not popular in the first place?
>protip: its the same reason that made this manga very popular
Because elevens have massive shit taste?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:31:10 No.94794848 Report

Quoted By: >>94794906

>>94794687
This the 3rd most popular manga in the same magazine.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:31:19 No.94794853 Report

Quoted By: >>94796521

>>94794614
If you can stand yuri, politic stuff and even just plain bizarre stories then the manga would be for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:31:41 No.94794866 Report

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>>94794638
except for literally everything
Yuri Cuckoldry is one thing I hope we leave in japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:31:49 No.94794870 Report

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>>94794792
For pay? That's a bit of a myth.
Most artists have drawn something someone would describe as pornographic, yes, but very few of them actually commercially draw porn.
The one doing the current aquaman is one of the few current ones i know.
A lot of them get real close though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:32:21 No.94794881 Report

Quoted By: >>94802211 >>94802634

>>94794812
Manga goes on for fucking ever though.

The difference between American comics and manga should be: American publishers tell writers to wrap shit the fuck up, and manga just goes on hiatus.

Literally I was going through some manga I read when I was fucking 12 and I decided to look it up 10 years later and that shit is STILL fucking going.

It's not even a fucking popular series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:32:34 No.94794885 Report

Quoted By: >>94795063

>>94794707
And this is a problem because...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:33:31 No.94794903 Report

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>>94794684
Realistically they're not going to cut costs that much. All you'd really do is not have to pay colorists, between the size of the comic market and the cost of paper you're not going to save that much by switching from magazine gloss to newsprint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:33:36 No.94794905 Report

Quoted By: >>94795008

>>94794792
Yeah but most of them aren't proud of it.

The artist in question was unapologetically a porn artist. I can't remember their name, it was some con that Fakku was sponsoring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:33:38 No.94794906 Report

Quoted By: >>94794945 >>94794956

>>94794848
whats the most popular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:33:45 No.94794912 Report

Quoted By: >>94794938 >>94795759

>>94794684
Aren't the most successful mangaka artists rich?
I know One Piece eclipses the entire western comic industry

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:34:58 No.94794938 Report

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>>94794912
>I know One Piece eclipses the entire western comic industry
20 million is that much

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:34:58 No.94794939 Report

Quoted By: >>94794974 >>94795084 >>94795096 >>94795341 >>94795386

>>94793675
American comics are almost unrelatable unless you're American or like thanksgiving and shit. Japanese comics have a much bigger diversity and liberty in portraying the human nature. That's why people can relate to themselves much easier than superheroes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:35:09 No.94794945 Report

Quoted By: >>94795114

>>94794906
>whats the most popular?
As far as I know the most popular manga in SJ is One Piece. By like a metric fuckton

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:35:38 No.94794956 Report

Quoted By: >>94795020 >>94795114

>>94794906

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:35:46 No.94794959 Report

Quoted By: >>94795024

>>94794129
>My Hero Academia is way more fun than Batman.
This is true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:35:52 No.94794961 Report

Quoted By: >>94794990

>>94794717
Videogames are doing fine, i swear /v/ trying to play as a victim on medium that are doing worse is ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:36:22 No.94794974 Report

Quoted By: >>94798032

>>94794939
>American comics are almost unrelatable unless you're American
yes because golden week is such a well beloved worldwide tradition that everyone can relate

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:37:07 No.94794990 Report

Quoted By: >>94795015 >>94795029

>>94794961

Can't deny that shit like that is going on though. Maybe it's small now, but where does it end?

Remember paid mods?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:37:52 No.94795008 Report

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>>94794905
>unapologetically a porn artist
I don't think being a porn artist should be an apologetic issue unless you're a Polyle or Shadman-tier pervert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:38:17 No.94795015 Report

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>>94794990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:38:25 No.94795020 Report

Quoted By: >>94795038 >>94795062 >>94795064 >>94795943 >>94796881 >>94797622

>>94794956
I'm genuinely surprised since that fucking thing has around 900 fucking issues and probably isn't even halfway done.

It might be more straightfoward then most cape comics but how the hell are people still invested?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:38:33 No.94795023 Report

Quoted By: >>94803359

>>94794156
They've already got their Harry Potter, it's called Saga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:38:36 No.94795024 Report

Quoted By: >>94795060

>>94794959
it was fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:38:53 No.94795029 Report

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>>94794990
Bethesda are idiots and i'm sure that shit gonna flop again or only stay in consoleand if that happend is because console-only players are idiots

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:39:05 No.94795035 Report

Quoted By: >>94795119 >>94795193 >>94804688

What are some good manga I should be reading? Current or not, preferably non-sh?nen but anything goes.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:39:20 No.94795038 Report

Quoted By: >>94795074

>>94795020
It's fun, visually appealing, and well written

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:39:25 No.94795041 Report

Quoted By: >>94795216

Not gonna read this garbage clickbait but the problem with comics is purely format and audience.

Marvel and DC can't experiment too much because their business is extremely precarious. They simply can't afford to lose any of their traditional customers.

Sales of other publishers have been going way up because the way they're formatted (self contained, affordable paperbacks) makes them very accessible.

Marvel/DC have been doing everything they can to expand into other audiences and genres but the problem is that the people who buy those non-capes aren't interested in capes at all, yet at the same time growth of non-capes is very slow because of how heavily associated with capes the medium is.

The whole business needs a very radical change but they can only get there through very small changes over a long period of time, so it's going to be years, maybe even decades until the market will have reached the kind of expansion it's in dire need of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:39:52 No.94795052 Report

Quoted By: >>94795060 >>94795345 >>94796090

>>94794439
English dubs are slowly becoming corrupted by SJWshit. There's a clip on youtube from Prison School where one of the girls accuses Shingo of being a gamergator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:40:29 No.94795060 Report

Quoted By: >>94795086 >>94795263 >>94797030

>>94795024
>was
what happened?
>>94795052
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>watching the dub

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:40:30 No.94795062 Report

Quoted By: >>94795146

>>94795020
>I'm genuinely surprised since that fucking thing has around 900 fucking issues and probably isn't even halfway done.
You are like a little baby watch this
reminder that only a year has passed in its time

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:40:30 No.94795063 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794885
Its all according to keikaku
>note: keikaku means plan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:40:34 No.94795064 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795020
Being long =/= boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:40:51 No.94795074 Report

Quoted By: >>94795098 >>94795109 >>94795162 >>94795276

>>94795038
Sure but after 900 issue's doesn't that get tiring? how does it manage to do that much stuff without it ever feel like padding?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:41:31 No.94795084 Report

Quoted By: >>94795158 >>94797135

>>94794939
>japanese comics
>relatable
What the actual fuck are you saying.
Manga characters are as unrelatable or even more so than American comics, unless they take place somewhere that isn't Japan.

Yeah dude, I totally celebrate tanabata.
Well of course I eat takoyaki at least once a week.
I absolutely remember my weeklong school festivals
How can I forget my times in the archery club.
I totally relate to being an autist who passes out when a woman touches his hand

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:41:33 No.94795086 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795060
slowly succumbing to shounen-itis

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:41:56 No.94795096 Report

Quoted By: >>94795158

>>94794939
>Implying japanese comics aren't full of weird japanese cultural shit

Bowing, honorifics, hot springs, characters being deathly afraid of sex.

Yeah, everyone can relate to this stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:42:00 No.94795097 Report

Quoted By:

The main things Japanese comics have over American comics is something that American comics will never be able to replicate due to the structure of their production process. I mean, you see comic book artists killing themselves to deliver 20 pages per week? Do you see publishers releasing a weekly 500 page comic compilation for roughly 3-4 bucks? Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:42:01 No.94795098 Report

Quoted By: >>94795160

>>94795074
I only started reading One Piece for the first time last year. I had days off where I read nothing but that, it was THAT good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:42:22 No.94795109 Report

Quoted By: >>94795160

>>94795074
It still keeps things creative and interesting.
People get invested in these characters and don't have to worry about some new writer fucking things up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:42:54 No.94795114 Report

Quoted By: >>94795632 >>94795914

>>94794945
>>94794956
The American comicbook industry, with its dominance of superheroes, can be directly compared to the Japanese manga industry, with its dominance of adventure stories. When you start examining the best-sellers list you realize that while it has greater genre diversity most of it does not make up the top of the market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:42:58 No.94795117 Report

Quoted By: >>94795148 >>94795197

>>94794129
Food Wars is garbage though. It's literally a note for note ripoff of Mr. Ajikko with fanservice added. Starve isn't good either but at least it wasn't pandering shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:43:09 No.94795119 Report

Quoted By: >>94795306

>>94795035
Spirit Circle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:44:09 No.94795142 Report

Quoted By: >>94795393

>>94794009
>inb4 the same trite argument that American comics should go back to newsprint and publish phonebook anthologies without understanding why that works in Japan and would flop massively here.

Anything on why that would be the case?

Legit question, I used to pick up the Shonen Jump monthly years ago and always used to wonder why there wasn't an american equivalent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:44:27 No.94795146 Report

Quoted By: >>94795240

>>94795062
>detective conan
You are like little baby

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:44:34 No.94795148 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795117
Food Wars has better art though.
I'd rather eat the food in Food Wars then the one in Starve.
Starve seems like an edgy parody taken seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:45:02 No.94795158 Report

Quoted By: >>94795228 >>94795317 >>94795409 >>94795791

>>94795096
>>94795084
He says human nature, not customs you fucking retards. You can relate Luffy much better than rest of whatever stock capeshit character there is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:45:07 No.94795160 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795098
>>94795109
I have to give props to Oda then, I genuinely can't imagine how someone could keep trucking that long whilst maintaining quality control.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:45:09 No.94795162 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795074
>how does it manage to do that much stuff without it ever feel like padding?
By having a robust worldbuilding that complements nicely the advancement of the plot, seemingly minor plot point introduced early suddenly taking importance and introducing and placing emphasis on interesting characters that relieve the weight of entertainment from the main cast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:45:40 No.94795172 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
Only American capeshit comics are suffering. The Western Comic Book market is doing just fine, especially in Europe, like France. Hell, this doesn't include the fact that many of the more popular Western comics are online in web comic form. Add in that, and you can get a hell more variety of genres catering to almost every small community out there that exists, without corporate interference or a strict deadline that plagues the mainstream comic book industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:46:22 No.94795193 Report

Quoted By: >>94795306

>>94795035
Berserk
Vagabond
Yotsuba
Akira
Lone Wolf and Cub
Phoenix
Cyborg 009
Adolf

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:46:27 No.94795194 Report

Quoted By: >>94795253

Are there any western comics where I can read about a relationship with a musclegirl?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:46:30 No.94795197 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795117

In a way, that makes Starve even worse though. That's just saying Starve has nothing going for it. And having nothing is worse thsn being just pandering shit.

Besides, Chuuka Ichiban (Cooking Master Boy) still has those comics beat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:47:15 No.94795216 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795041
You really only see experiments during something like a reboot, when higher sales across the board are expected they can take more risk on titles under the assumption that the greater revenue will make up for a low-seller. The main problem is that such events are separated by several years at least, and Marvel is mostly uninterested in experimenting.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:47:20 No.94795217 Report

Quoted By: >>94795232 >>94795267 >>94795552 >>94795860 >>94795886 >>94796104 >>94796151 >>94804241

If manga and anime is so good then why do the worst girl always wins?
Name one time the best and deserving girl won their respective series

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:47:50 No.94795226 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794465
Leave it to the cartoonfag to say comics that he doesn't read are dumb.

Ongoing comics have these things called arcs. Typically, these arcs are self contained and have the same creative team throughout. The advantage of this is that you can buy specific arcs in trade format, and enjoy a story with a beginning, middle, and end. Just because there are decades worth of arcs, does not negate the current arc you chose to read. It's still a story on its own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:47:53 No.94795228 Report

Quoted By: >>94795302

>>94795158
Culture ties into human behavior you dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:48:06 No.94795232 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795217
TWGOK

:^)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:48:26 No.94795240 Report

Quoted By: >>94795380

>>94795146
>Ippo
you are like a little baby

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:48:59 No.94795253 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795194
Mister Miracle and Big Barda comics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:49:24 No.94795263 Report

Quoted By: >>94795305 >>94795455

>>94795060
I exclusively watch dubs because I speak english. Suck it sub fags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:49:28 No.94795267 Report

Quoted By: >>94795813

>>94795217
Oreimo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:49:45 No.94795276 Report

Quoted By: >>94795416 >>94795480

>>94795074
They have arcs, thats how. Instead of making one story and rebooting/respinning it 10 different times, its multiple small stories that are linearly connected, driving the general plot towards the finale. In comics, you sort of just get everything thrown at you in a mix. In cartoons, there's never any resolutions either. The protag finds some trouble, struggles, then nabs the bad guy, only for the bad guy to break out three episodes later and repeat the same song and dance.

The west doesn't want things to "end", thats bad for business, they want to keep jizzing out product and that means reboots and rewrites and redraws out the ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:50:01 No.94795280 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794493
Yup. Funny enough, my LCS actually went into a warehouse-type location from their 400 sq foot location. They've got a huge wall for the latest stuff in the back, an A-Z spread on most of the left hand wall (with the rest dedicated to apparel), indie and manga on the right hand one, and TPBs and manga volumes as well as figurines and assorted kitsch on shelves throughout the store.

Though I do live on the Northeastern Megalopolis, so that could be a contributing factor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:50:55 No.94795302 Report

Quoted By: >>94795466 >>94795989

>>94795228
Yeah, that's why I can relate my feelings or emotions to Goethe or Dostoevsky, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:50:58 No.94795305 Report

Quoted By: >>94796936

>>94795263
>Not watching any televised media in it's native tongue with subtitles.

Pleb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:50:58 No.94795306 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795119
>>94795193
Thanks. I recognize of them but not read them yet. I’ll check them out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:51:32 No.94795317 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795158
im not somali though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:51:41 No.94795321 Report

Quoted By: >>94795422

There's a ton of shit manga and a ton of shit comics. American comics cost too much. Even in japan it's like 25 dollars for one volume

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:51:51 No.94795322 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
I'm guessing this is really just talking about capeshit, which sells even less than Italian cowboy comics in the grand scheme of things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:51:51 No.94795323 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794328
I wish you would just fucking die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:52:48 No.94795341 Report

Quoted By: >>94795404 >>94795419

>>94794939
>Japanese comics have a much bigger diversity and liberty in portraying the human nature.
but being a herbivore is not human nature it is the exact opposite of human nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:53:00 No.94795345 Report

Quoted By: >>94795467

>>94795052
What is a gamergator?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:54:14 No.94795369 Report

Quoted By:

Because japan is afraid of change and that is a good thing in this medium since animation and manga is a form of escape instead of dealing with reality

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:54:44 No.94795380 Report

Quoted By: >>94795503

>>94795240
You just activated my trap card

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:54:58 No.94795386 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794939
Pretty much this. They tend to portray more diverse situations and feelings than "muh unkel had killed himself becuz of me" shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:55:16 No.94795393 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795142
Phonebook anthologies are a byproduct of the Japanese mass transit system. Even when anthologies were popular in America we never saw anything the size of the phonebooks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:55:52 No.94795403 Report

Quoted By:

I feel like so much of the conversation in the storify and here on /co/ misses that the American comic market is doing pretty well. Just almost none of it has to do with the direct market. It might not be on the same level of the Japanese manga market but that's because of other circumstances that people just feel like ignoring.

Manga isn't really compatible to comics in the Western world. It's the same medium, sure, but it's more akin to how the West treats/values prose/novels/magazines. The megahits of modern populist Japanese literature can more likely be found in manga/light novels. Serialized prose in the west wasn't too far off from the same production habits and methods either.

Trying to map the manga industry onto the West's comic direct market (but especially the US) and trying to figure out why things come up short is like trying to deep sea dive with a snorkel. Just because they're closely related doesn't make them the same or even directly comparable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:55:54 No.94795404 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795341
Read Rapeman and then you can talk bout herbivores.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:56:04 No.94795409 Report

Quoted By: >>94795499

>>94795158
>You can relate Luffy much better than rest of whatever stock capeshit character there is.
Yeah man, I'm totally also a literal retard that turns into a completely unmovable pillar of determination from one moment to another, who travels around the world getting shot, stabbed, beaten and bled out in seacrh of some treasure who nobody actually knew existed until Whitebeard said so.
That's so me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:56:15 No.94795416 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795276
>In comics, you sort of just get everything thrown at you in a mix.
t. guy who doesn't read comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:56:20 No.94795419 Report

Quoted By: >>94795607 >>94799995 >>94800039 >>94800114

>>94795341
Humans are actually pretty fucking shitty at eating meat. Our teeth are herbivore teeth, and our stomach acid is many, many times weaker than that of proper carnivores. That all points to humans being originally meant for being herbivores.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:56:22 No.94795422 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795321
>TFW Dogwelder has fans in Japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:56:32 No.94795426 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794589
trannies dont count friend

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:57:46 No.94795455 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795263
Only thing sucking is the PS dub, tbf

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:58:02 No.94795459 Report

Quoted By: >>94795561

>While at Anime Expo 2017, I noticed that the crowds at this annual anime/manga/j-pop festival in downtown Los Angeles attracts a slightly different crowd that the other pop culture super-show, Comic-Con International (which, incidentally, is only a few weeks after Anime Expo, and only a few miles south in San Diego)
>While at Anime Expo 2017, I noticed that the crowds at this annual anime/manga/j-pop festival in downtown Los Angeles attracts a slightly different crowd that the other pop culture super-show, Comic-Con International (which, incidentally, is only a few weeks after Anime Expo, and only a few miles south in San Diego)

Well /co/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:58:19 No.94795466 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795302
Honestly if you have never experienced at least some of the basic themes of human psychology those two write in their workds, you may actually be autistic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:58:20 No.94795467 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795345
Ask /v/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:58:37 No.94795480 Report

Quoted By: >>94795778

>>94795276
I think anon is asking how do you keep the arcs themselves from being repetitive after 900 issues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:58:43 No.94795485 Report

Quoted By: >>94795568 >>94795589

>>94794129
>>The huge variety of stories
Oh, you mean shonen, fan-service, and shonen fanservice? Yeah, full of fucking variet_

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:59:17 No.94795499 Report

Quoted By: >>94795666 >>94796931

>>94795409
Well, Luffy doesn't wear spandex, so I guess that makes him more relatable.

Maybe if Spider-man took off the costume people could finally relate to him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 00:59:31 No.94795503 Report

Quoted By: >>94795675

>>94795380
pretty sure 1969 is older than 1982 my friend

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:01:18 No.94795552 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795217
Life isn't all sunshine and happy endings, anime gets that since it's super deep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:01:45 No.94795561 Report

Quoted By: >>94795648

>>94795459
Anime con attracts anime and manga enthusiasts while Comic con attracts cartoon and comic enthusiasts same way brony-con attracts bronies and milsurp cons attract furries

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:01:45 No.94795562 Report

Quoted By: >>94795712

The biggest problem I have with American comics is how shit avatar is and how good violent or pronographic comics barely exist. American comics are too pc

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:01:55 No.94795568 Report

Quoted By: >>94795664

>>94795485
America has
>Superheroes
>Detective
>Crime
>Fantasy
>Horror
>Science Fiction

Japan has
>Fantasy
>Superheroes (OPM and MHA is more read than Marvel and DC these days everyone)
>Sports
>SoL
>Crime
>Drama
>Historical
>Erotica
>Coming of Age
>Horror
>Science fiction

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:02:36 No.94795589 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795485
https://myanimelist.net/topmanga.php?type=manga

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:03:13 No.94795607 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795419
>t. frugivore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:04:09 No.94795632 Report

Quoted By: >>94795836 >>94797059

>>94795114
Adventure stories have more inherent diversity than superhero stories.

Adventure stories can be set in any time, in any world. Superheroes are almost always based out of New York, or they're aliens who spend a lot of time in New York. Or maybe they live in New York but it's not called New York but yeah, it's just fucking New York, but maybe a little cleaner or shittier depending on whether it's Superman or Batman.

Is there a superhero story set in the middle ages? Not a superhero FROM the middle ages, who now lives in New York.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:04:52 No.94795645 Report

Quoted By:

As someone who reads all kinds of comics from across the world, the things that turn me off from most western/american comics are

>extreme dominance of cape comics
>often inferior artwork
>usually lacking in even tasteful/anatomical nudity or violence
>very safe/uninteresting settings and stories

These days, euro comics or manga are all that interest me outside some special cases.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:05:01 No.94795648 Report

Quoted By: >>94795735 >>94795824 >>94795836

>>94795561
Forgot the important part

>While at Anime Expo 2017, I noticed that the crowds at this annual anime/manga/j-pop festival in downtown Los Angeles attracts a slightly different crowd that the other pop culture super-show, Comic-Con International (which, incidentally, is only a few weeks after Anime Expo, and only a few miles south in San Diego)
>While at Anime Expo 2017, I noticed that the crowds at this annual anime/manga/j-pop festival in downtown Los Angeles attracts a slightly different crowd that the other pop culture super-show, Comic-Con International (which, incidentally, is only a few weeks after Anime Expo, and only a few miles south in San Diego)
>For one thing, the fans at Anime Expo skew younger -- average age is teens to 20-somethings. SDCC tends to attract a slightly older crowd, maybe more in their late 20s - mid-40's. So looking out at a sea of fans (over 115,000 unique visitors over 4 days, a 15% increase over 2016 attendance, and rapidly catching up with SDCC, which attracted 130,000 fans last year), I wondered, what attracts them to Japanese anime, manga, music, and games? What do they get out of it that they don't find in American-made comics, movies, animation, TV shows, etc.?

Well /co/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:05:38 No.94795664 Report

Quoted By: >>94795707 >>94795747 >>94795761 >>94796423 >>94796736 >>94804050

>>94795568
America has
Action
Adventure
Anthology
Anthropomorphic
Biography
Children
Comedy
Crime
Drama
Family
Fantasy
Fighting
Graphic Novels
Historical
Horror
Leading Ladies
LGBTQ
Literature
Martial Arts
Mature
Military
Movies & TV
Mystery
Mythology
Personal
Political
Post-Apocalyptic
Psychological
Pulp
Religious
Robots
Romance
School Life
Sci-Fi
Slice of Life
Sport
Spy
Superhero
Supernatural
Suspense
Thriller
Vampires
Video Games
War
Western
Zombies
Japan has
Neetbait #352
Isekaishit
Idolshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:05:42 No.94795666 Report

Quoted By: >>94795806

>>94795499
The point is Luffys character is completely unrealistic.
Anytime he's not fighting somebody he acts as an actual 5 year old, otherwise he suddenly wise, determined, unbeatable and has an unmovable moral code.
Yep, waiting, starving in a single spot for days for some dude who told you to get the fuck out and then refusing food if it's not made by that same person even though you are fucking dying is something any person would do, right?

I've been reading One Piece for 10 years, I like it and I enjoy it. Calling pretty much any of it's characters relatable it's straight up stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:06:11 No.94795675 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795503
Kobo has way, way more issues/volumes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:07:04 No.94795701 Report

Quoted By: >>94795730

>>94793675
by not forcing sex, rape and relationshit down our throats, the prime time for "the Real World" and soap operas is not one, but two decades ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:07:18 No.94795707 Report

Quoted By: >>94795763 >>94795836

>>94795664
This is pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:07:34 No.94795712 Report

Quoted By: >>94795741 >>94795897

>>94795562
>American comics are too pc
Because their publishing models are different.
Pitch an idea to Marvel or DC that the execs feel it's not PC and it's not getting published.
Pitch the same shit to the japs and if they feel it will sell, it's getting published

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:07:45 No.94795717 Report

Quoted By: >>94795811 >>94803029 >>94803392

>>94794129
>it's a funfag episode
These are the worst. Anyways the most consumed shonen manga currently is either OPM or MHA and most consumed Bat comic is Killing Joke. And there's no argument for which one has more artistic merits.
As for the question, comics have tried to ride the ship of fun and adult for too long and honestly they need to go full adult at this point. Kids don't read the monthly big 3 garbage, they read books by Raina Telgemeier. Stop trying to cater to fun and non serious fags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:08:41 No.94795730 Report

Quoted By: >>94800222

>>94795701
>rape
When was the last time that's happened in capeshit? I wish we had some good rapes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:08:55 No.94795735 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795648
> wondered, what attracts them to Japanese anime, manga, music, and games? What do they get out of it that they don't find in American-made comics, movies, animation, TV shows, etc.?
Chuuni
manga is a cheaper hobby than comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:09:14 No.94795741 Report

Quoted By: >>94795800

>>94795712
Then go to Image or Darkhorse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:09:30 No.94795747 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795664
>Anthropomorphic

Because Westerners love fucking animals so much that Canada legalized it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:09:54 No.94795759 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794912
Well yes, but that's because the most successful ones get shows and merch.
Their salary is piss poor, their royalties are high. I mean, sure the dream of making it big motivates them, but thats my point
"Big" in the us is, what... Bendis? Fuck, even morrison is largely unknown outside of serious comic fans
Oda is a household name in japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:09:57 No.94795761 Report

Quoted By: >>94796343 >>94796366

>>94795664
>Slice of Life
>Western
>Sport
>School Life

Name some going on now/from the last 5 years
Bonus points if it's not cape related at all
Sports manga actually go in depth about the sport

>Movies and TV
>Video games
How the fuck are those story types in comics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:10:04 No.94795763 Report

Quoted By: >>94795792 >>94795812

>>94795707
not an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:10:43 No.94795778 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795480
IMO, One Piece fans seem to like the slow-burn approach that the creator takes. The series has a lot of world-building, and it'll hint at or follow up on stories long after they've been brought up. So many arcs are a combination of something old, something new, and something that people have been waiting on for years. That seems to keep people interested in the comic.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:11:18 No.94795788 Report

Quoted By: >>94795812

>>94793675
>Gentlemen, how can the Western comic industry reach a new renaissance?
They can't, western animators are lazy, care only about profit and the LGBT community has wash their minds. Theres nothing they can do against the japanese who have more passion for their work and who can write characters with so much personality and rich development like pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:11:31 No.94795791 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795158
>Luffy
>relatable
I can relate to Scooby-Doo easier than Luffy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:11:43 No.94795792 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795763
Still pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:12:15 No.94795800 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795741
They're just as pc as the rest of the industry and savage dragon's gimmick covers are nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:12:31 No.94795806 Report

Quoted By: >>94795997

>>94795666
>otherwise he suddenly wise, determined, unbeatable and has an unmovable moral code.
Are you sure you're talking about Luffy, Satan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:12:45 No.94795811 Report

Quoted By: >>94795926

>>94795717
>Stop trying to cater to fun and non serious fags.

No you fucking idiot. They need to cater to everyone. They just need to cater to everyone in SEPARATE COMICS, rather than making something they hope will appeal to everyone and make millions only for it to appeal to no one at all. Do you not understand the points people keep making about fucking genre diversity? Or did you just read the word diversity and go REEEE GET OUT GAYIES, GAYIES GET OUT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:12:48 No.94795812 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795763
Anon, did you copy and paste that whole list without checking?
>>94795788
>Animators
>Comics

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:12:52 No.94795813 Report

Quoted By: >>94795924

>>94795267
Now I know this is bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:13:01 No.94795815 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793760
I'm not going to teach you how to write a better article.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:13:15 No.94795824 Report

Quoted By: >>94795867

>>94795648
They don't preach to us

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:13:59 No.94795836 Report

Quoted By: >>94795904

>>94795648
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't SDCC capacity capped due to venue and also been the subject of numerous complaints over pricing and ticket availability?

>>94795707
Are you restricting the American market to exclusively to the Big 2 and more specifically to Marvel?

>>94795632
One of the biggest complaints about Marvel right now is that several of their superhero titles aren't adventure stories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:15:09 No.94795860 Report

Quoted By: >>94796029

>>94795217
nurdo. too bad in the shitty burdo continuation she dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:15:35 No.94795867 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795824
what do you mean by this?
more and more young people are getting into manga
they find it appealing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:15:39 No.94795871 Report

Quoted By: >>94796061 >>94796143 >>94796369 >>94796690

>>94794589
>Anime Feminist
The worst it does is just discuss "feminist-friendly" anime and passive-aggressively gripe about tropes and fanservice. They and their ilk (The Mary Sue, Kotaku, etc.) can't do shit to the industry in Japan. Besides, Japanese feminists already told them to back off with that shit. Pic related to hammer the point in.

>>94794651
Japan will always produce anime for Japan, no matter how involved Netflix gets. You also need to remember that Netflix exists in Japan too and has an entire Japanese division. And even if they were to make "western" anime, the original industry overseas would continue as if nothing happened.

>>94794717
And the director of Nier:Automata said that he wanted fan art of 2B's butt. In Witcher 3, not a single black person was in the game, the sex scenes are slightly censored compared to the past, but that's more for game ratings rather than SJW pandering.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:16:23 No.94795882 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794717
>Look at video games.
I'm looking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:16:26 No.94795886 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795217
Steins;Gate

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:16:37 No.94795891 Report

Quoted By: >>94795899 >>94795919 >>94795971 >>94796088

As usual, these threads only have Capeshit as the main topic for why American comics don't sell well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:17:11 No.94795897 Report

Quoted By: >>94804064

>>94795712
Incorrect, the focus on political correctness as an American feature fails to take into account Japanese social and moral restrictions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:17:18 No.94795899 Report

Quoted By: >>94796088 >>94803618

>>94795891
shhh
just let /a/ have this anon since they need to validate themselves for their shitty media

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:17:30 No.94795904 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795836
He said it was pathetic because the guy was denying that the superhero genre dominates and overshadows everything else
see >>94794156
and restricted Japan to isekaishit and idolshit the same way someone would restrict America to superheroes when the industry isn't just superheroes, it's just dominated by them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:17:53 No.94795914 Report

Quoted By: >>94795970

>>94795114
https://myanimelist.net/news/51512474
You dont know what are you talking about.

*1. 876,566 Hunter x Hunter Vol.34
*2. 588,746 Tokyo Ghoul:re Vol.11
*3. 312,704 Magi Vol.34
*4. 306,354 Boku no Hero Academia Vol.14
*5. 265,466 Uchuu Kyoudai Vol.31
*6. 261,070 Berserk Vol.39
*7. 236,420 Mix Vol.11
*8. 220,616 Barakamon Vol.15
*9. 206,580 Orange Vol.6
10. 163,435 Toshokan Sensou: Love & War Bessatsu-hen Vol.4

11. 156,411 Kuroshitsuji Vol.25
12. 144,606 Dragon Ball Super Vol.3
13. 140,088 Yowamushi Pedal Vol.51
14. 138,653 Chuukan Kanriroku Tonegawa Vol.5
15. 136,419 Magi: Sinbad no Bouken Vol.14
16. 123,467 Shuumatsu no Harem Vol.3
17. 120,703 Kakegurui Vol.7
18. 112,196 Komi-san wa, Comyushou desu. Vol.4
19. 111,798 Poputepipikku Second Season
20. 109,009 Baby Steps Vol.45

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:18:00 No.94795919 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795891
How well does 2000ad sell in the caliphate of bongistan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:18:20 No.94795924 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795813
Kuroneko was a whore though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:18:25 No.94795926 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795811
>They just need to cater to everyone in SEPARATE COMICS,
But they do dumbass, you sound like one of those retard that identify Western comics as big 3 and bitches about genre diversity. There's a lot of genre diversity in western comics, just as much as in manga, just that these books never seem to get attention of the audience because audience is too busy jerking off to mainstream capeshit and Hollywood pitches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:18:27 No.94795927 Report

Quoted By: >>94796022

>>94793675
>With my kid especially, she has no interest in stories that aren't about girls, and little interest in stories about the hetero lifestyle.
What in ht eliving fuck is this???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:19:17 No.94795943 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795020
I just want to know what the hell happened during the Void Century.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:20:39 No.94795970 Report

Quoted By: >>94796025

>>94795914
More than half of that list is shonenshit, what point are you trying to prove my dude?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:20:40 No.94795971 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795891
That's because Burgers mostly assume comics=superheroes until someting gets an HBO adaptation.
And even then it doesn't booster sales because Diamond can't distribute shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:21:11 No.94795985 Report

Quoted By:

I want you all to acknowledge how crap image is. 80% of their comics are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:21:15 No.94795987 Report

Quoted By: >>94796012 >>94796017

Saying that comics are shit because of Marvel and DC is the same thing as saying that anime is shit because of Naruto Bleach One Piece and Fairy Tale

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:21:17 No.94795989 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795302
Huh? You cannot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:21:31 No.94795997 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795806
See: Luffy vs. Wapol for example

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:22:14 No.94796012 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795987
>Saying that comics are shit because of Marvel and DC is the same thing as saying that anime is shit because of Naruto Bleach One Piece and Fairy Tale
The truth?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:22:38 No.94796017 Report

Quoted By: >>94796041 >>94796081

>>94795987
at least 3 of those 4 manga have fucking finished, meanwhile Marvel and DC will be shitting up America for years to come

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:22:44 No.94796020 Report

Quoted By:

The american comics industry is not salvagable.

The entire thing is fucked from the ground up.

Once all the fat no life neckbeard losers who support it die from over eating garbage mcdonalds, the entire thing will collapse on it self and you will only ever see those characters in big budget hollywood garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:22:47 No.94796022 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795927
It means her kid is a lesbian. Probably doesn't want to tell her mom because she knows that her mom is the type to make a way bigger deal out of it than she desires.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:23:03 No.94796025 Report

Quoted By: >>94796092

>>94795970
Post the top 20 of Comics and compare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:23:19 No.94796029 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795860
rasgaygun :DDD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:23:37 No.94796034 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794129

If there's one thing Japan does well, it's cooking manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:23:51 No.94796041 Report

Quoted By: >>94796068

>>94796017
>he actually thinks naruto is finished
>he actually thinks that fairy tale is finished
you got one correct though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:25:09 No.94796061 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795871
>That whole essay
That's it, I'm done with American women. From this day forward I'm going to concentrate all my effort into finding a Japanese woman to settle down with.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:25:19 No.94796064 Report

Quoted By: >>94796105 >>94796108 >>94796159 >>94796202

>>94793675
Euro = Top Manga > Most Manga >>>> American ""comics"""

>capeshit fags will debate this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:25:22 No.94796065 Report

Quoted By: >>94796087 >>94796103

>Comics creator Faith Erin Hicks (The Nameless City, available now from First Second, and the Eisner Award-winning Adventures of Superhero Girl, from Dark Horse Comics) also added
>I mean, there's *nothing* like Fullmetal Alchemist by a North American creator.
>depth of story/different kinds of stories that aren't pubbed by US publishers. There's a lot of genre stuff I enjoy that has no equivalent.

What's the /co/ equivalent of FMA?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:25:38 No.94796068 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796041
Fairy Tail finished last week, and Naruto is done, all that's left is Boruto, which isn't nearly as popular and nobody cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:25:59 No.94796077 Report

Quoted By:

How do you look up the porn comics diamond distributes? I can't find them on their website.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:26:04 No.94796081 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796017
I kind of wonder what will happen if the big superheroes ever enter the public domain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:26:44 No.94796087 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796065
Xavier: Renegade Angel

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:26:45 No.94796088 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795891
>>94795899

>As usual, these threads only have Capeshit as the main topic for why American comics don't sell well.

>American comics industry trumpets capeshit in every medium
>other, more genre diverse comics are hidden below the surface layer of capeshit, and are not advertised by the industry through shows and movies and toys and tie-ins and every fucking thing else that the industry grants capeshit

>HOW DARE THESE /a/-FAGS NOT UNDERSTAND THE BREADTH OF WESTERN COMICS

Instead of blaming us for not understanding, why not actually see this as another reason American comics are fucking flailing, in that your good, interesting stories are largely ignored. If Neil Gaiman's name wasn't attached to The Sandman, it'd be largely forgotten, because your fucking industry doesn't advertise shit to the uninitiated. And that's the fucking rub you dickhead, the onus is on the sellers to advertise this shit to people, not the consumers to start digging for it in something that on first appearances just doesn't appeal to them.

Honestly, a point about The Sandman. I was given a copy of Preludes and Nocturnes when I was younger, and it blew my goddamn mind. Because all I knew about comics was the Big Two. I didn't know that things like The Sandman were actually a thing. That shouldn't happen. That doesn't happen in any other entertainment industry in the west, and shit, it doesn't happen in the comics industry outside the US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:26:50 No.94796090 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795052
>om Prison School where one of the girls accuses Shingo of being a gamergator.
It got fixed for the BDs and DVDs, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:26:54 No.94796092 Report

Quoted By: >>94796296

>>94796025
http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Bookscan-16-Top-750_sheet.htm
Go ahead and compare it my dude.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:27:00 No.94796093 Report

Quoted By: >>94796696

Try and hire some manga artists like Murata

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:27:56 No.94796103 Report

Quoted By: >>94796133 >>94796137 >>94796220

>>94796065
>strange alt history tale of kids in a suprisingly mature (yet often dissappointingly kid friendly) version
>large sprawling cast of creative and interesting characters
>tapes elements of several foreign cultures together without any real regard for their actual meaning
>overall good but rather overrated due to its universal acclaim

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:27:57 No.94796104 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795217
Haganai

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:28:01 No.94796105 Report

Quoted By: >>94796150

>>94796064
muh Tom King
muh Frank Miller
The best comics from American publishers are all British anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:28:08 No.94796108 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796064
The only good europen comics are italian and spanish. French comics belong on the bottom of all lists

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:29:30 No.94796133 Report

Quoted By: >>94800323

>>94796103
The 2003 anime is better.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:29:34 No.94796137 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796103
Pic related is the closest we'll get for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:29:35 No.94796138 Report

Quoted By: >>94796172 >>94796290 >>94796415

>>94793675

I understand that this goes fundamentally against American comic operate, but maybe have more comics that actually have a definitive end? Instead of superheroes having endless adventures that eventually force them to redo character arcs and re-fight villains, why not have a couple of superheroes who actually have an end to their story?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:29:46 No.94796142 Report

Quoted By:

Reminder that this comic sold more than any cape books in recent years
How can capefags compete?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:29:51 No.94796143 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795871
I'm moved....

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:30:15 No.94796150 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796105
>The best comics from American publishers are all British anyways
t.a retard that's never read indie comics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:30:17 No.94796151 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795217
Oregairu
I just hope my boy 8man makes the right decision

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:30:42 No.94796159 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796064
>Euro at the top
Don't make me laugh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:30:49 No.94796162 Report

Quoted By: >>94796177

More smart black girls from NYC.

No but seriously hold a contest where people can submit their own OC's or whatever, have people vote on who they like, and those top 5 get their own comic for a while, then integrate them into other comics as background characters.

Do this every year, make a big deal about it, ham it up, have fun.

"Wow, that one character I voted for and helped get picked is appearing in Fabulous Capt. Marvel, I gotta' buy this!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:31:30 No.94796172 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796138
Because that would go against how things are traditionally done in America, and people don't like change. They like what is familiar.

Which is why they can't let go of these characters.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:31:30 No.94796173 Report

Quoted By: >>94796385 >>94796686 >>94797250 >>94804119

Current manga > current comics
Current western cartoons > current anime
Japanese drawn porn > shit > western porn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:31:42 No.94796177 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796162
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>letting fans decide shit
Anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:32:59 No.94796202 Report

Quoted By: >>94796341

>>94796064
Alternative (American/Euro/SA/) > Euro genreshit > Mango > mainstream American garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:33:51 No.94796220 Report

Quoted By: >>94796282

>>94796103
>tapes elements of several foreign cultures together without any real regard for their actual meaning

hold on for a sec, I'll fetch ya a post I made some time ago....

Spoiler alert: You're so off base with that statement that it disgusts me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:34:14 No.94796224 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
Easy.
>More content at a cheaper price.
>More accessible locations, like super markets and digital shops
>Deals when it comes to sales
>Hiring people who actually value the medium and have goods stories to their name.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:36:04 No.94796255 Report

Quoted By: >>94796342

Is Gwenpool a step in the right direction?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:37:55 No.94796277 Report

Quoted By: >>94796298

>>94794602
Do western comics even have cooking stuff that isn't Starve?
Seriously though who was this comic made for?
Chinks?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:38:26 No.94796282 Report

Quoted By: >>94796319 >>94796348

>>94796220
You fuckers saying FMAB has no thematic deepness. You're stupid.

Let's take a random element:

Alchemists need transmutation circles, unless they see the truth behind the door.

The door is inscribed with the Tree of Life, an all important symbol that is related to Kaballah, which alchemy heavely borrows from. As seen on my image, it can be divided in 4 "worlds".

The first world, is the material world, the world we live in. The sphere on it, malkuth, represents the material

The second world, is the formative, the realm of your mind and toughts. It's composed of Yesod, the imagination, the link between the real and your toughts, Hod, rationality, and Netzach, Emotion.

The third world, is the creative world, the world of spirit and drive. It's where what YOU are is made. It's composed of Tipheret, the sphere of essence, related to your solar sign, what you emanate. Geburah, Power, related to self-discipline and drive. Chesed, Mercy, related to teaching and charity.

The fourth world is the world of archetypes. it's the realm of GOD, and you may notice there are three spheres, Binah, understanding, the great limitator, UNDERSTANDING, Chokmah, KNOWLEDGE, all that exists. beyond them is Kether, and that is GOD itself, beyond knowledge. those three are what originated the concept of the Holy Trinity in Christianity.

You might've noticed, that the path between tipheret and kether is uncharacteristically long, the path between the essence of man and god itself, the path between the individual and power over all that is. You, see, there is a hidden sephirah between them, known as Daath, the abyss. This is the final objective of kaballah, and by consequence of alchemy. To
reach god. to create the elixir to eternal life. To know the TRUTH. So, it makes perfect sense, and is a POWERFUL methaphore, that alchemists who've attained the truth, due to great sacrifice, have the deep understanding, to acess the power of god directly, without a transmutation circle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:38:45 No.94796290 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796138
I think the Big 2 are gonna have a moment similar to TV execs around the late 2000s: In the modern age, consumers don't fucking care about infinite content. No one needs 9 seasons of Seinfeld when they have 18 other shows they can watch for $10 a month through Netflix. Ergo, they'd rather have 4 seasons of a show that rewards viewers for watching every episode through episodic storytelling and definitive endings.

Similarly, capeshit creators need to realize that nobody needs three or four Batman comics every week from now for the forseeable future. All of the most well known and popular capeshit stories are either all events or limited series graphic novels, aka stories with one concrete plot arc that has a definitive start and end, and ideally an actual plot between the two. That's what consumers want, more than anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:39:14 No.94796296 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796092
Wow so a kids book beat all the industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:39:23 No.94796298 Report

Quoted By: >>94796361

>>94796277
Get Jiro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:40:08 No.94796312 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
I don't really read much manga, but I read comics for a few months. I stopped mostly because they were too expensive for too little content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:40:25 No.94796319 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796282
I remember seeing a small page in a volume of FMA showing the writer lamenting how she had to buy numerous books on chemistry and what you just posted for FMA

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:41:52 No.94796341 Report

Quoted By: >>94796441

>>94796202
Alternative comics are garbage everywhere. It's all pussy liberal mumblecore shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:42:04 No.94796342 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796255
Gurihiru are literally two Jap women but I don't know if they get work in manga.

Having big-time manga artists do stuff for western books would be neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:42:04 No.94796343 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795761
>Slice of Life
Every shitty webcomic out right now.
>Western
Sixth Gun
>Sport
This is a point you have, but sports stories are usually boring anyways. At least the way it's told here, formulaic and trash.
>School Life
Cultural differences. The western equivalent to a highschool comic would be a comic about college, since Japan it's typically accepted that people learn about themselves in highschool, while in the west it's the same thing, but with college. Tough, for some reason Marvel doesn't get this and in a poor attempt to get the weeb crowd pretty much made all their new characters highschool age.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:42:20 No.94796348 Report

Quoted By: >>94796384

>>94796282
I never said it had thematic deepness. I said that it, like Avatar, tapes together bits of German, Anglo-Saxton, Babylonian, and inexplicably Chinese religion and culture together in awkward ways that make sense on their own context but completely twist the original values into more appealing forms for the (Japanese) target audience.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:43:22 No.94796361 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796298
>Look it up
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:43:39 No.94796366 Report

Quoted By: >>94796412

>>94795761
>Sports manga actually go in depth about the sport
not really

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:44:02 No.94796369 Report

Quoted By: >>94796398 >>94796662 >>94797001

>>94795871
>mfw ShindoL draws moe anime versions of western feminists he gets death threats from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:44:32 No.94796376 Report

Quoted By: >>94796409 >>94796621

Was this article written in the 00s? The manga market died in the US. TPBs won.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:45:01 No.94796384 Report

Quoted By: >>94796458

>>94796348
That's just like that because I copy-pasted the post. The intent here is to show the AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND CARE given to the subject matter. She did Alan Moore levels of research, and everything fits in place. You can't just jerryrig something as big as what I wrote in the post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:45:10 No.94796385 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796173
>Current western cartoons > current anime
You must be joking

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:45:57 No.94796398 Report

Quoted By: >>94796471 >>94796594 >>94797850

>>94796369
ShindoL is a White woman from New York.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:46:34 No.94796409 Report

Quoted By: >>94796541

>>94796376
She also wrote this

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/comics/article/74004-nine-reasons-manga-publishers-can-smile-in-2017.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:46:44 No.94796412 Report

Quoted By: >>94796448

>>94796366
Yes, they do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:47:01 No.94796415 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796138
Well, the whole hook for company-owned comics nowadays is that creatives get to treat stories like toyboxes. There's not a lot of interest from writers who work with those comics to make definitive endings to begin with, and if companies were to ask for that, they'd also have to turn people down when they ask for permission to re-tell those stories. And I assume most people who work for those companies wouldn't like that too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:47:31 No.94796423 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795664
No it fucking doesn't, anymore than Marvel Films makes "genre films". They're flavored capeshit, no more no less, and the forced tied nature of the universe ultimately drags down all the interesting noir or western pieces by reminding the reader constantly that this is also the world where Spider-Man punches the bad guys in the face. Sometimes you DO get interesting moments (thinking Doom Patrol here) where the creators can get away from the constraints of the shared universe, but ultimately these efforts are few as they are, and critically underadvertised by the companies that fucking fund them versus overhyped event comic #7426. I'm not gonna pretend numango tries to advertise their underlooked and underrated works all that well, but understand that US capeshit is derivative because their creators think that's the only thing that can sell well, while the Japs are at least aware of all the worthless niches they can pander to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:48:08 No.94796441 Report

Quoted By: >>94796474

>>94796341
t. a brainlet. Those are the works with most experimentation and literary value. Mango peaked with the works of Gekiga as well, which more or less is a lost art today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:48:47 No.94796448 Report

Quoted By: >>94796495

>>94796412
Don't try it, not with me. I've most likely read more manga than you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:49:06 No.94796458 Report

Quoted By: >>94796494 >>94796822

>>94796384
Why not? That's what a lot of worldbuilding is. It's just clear she cared more about selfconsistency with the world than actually making all the influences she throws in make sense with regards to how they are irl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:50:15 No.94796471 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796398
I knew she was from New York and later moved to Tokyo but I thought she was still asian?
In any case I still think it's hilarious drawing people who send threats to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:50:20 No.94796472 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794142
This is one of the biggest things pushing me off superhero comics, honestly. It feels intimidating not knowing where to start, there's so much and it's all weirdly interconnected and there's all sorts of crossovers and AU versions and whatnot and it's been going on for decades

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:50:25 No.94796474 Report

Quoted By: >>94796570

>>94796441
>literary comics
you are a sub human retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:51:49 No.94796494 Report

Quoted By: >>94796549

>>94796458
How do any influences make no sense in regards to irl? What are you talking about?Geographical inconsistency?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:51:53 No.94796495 Report

Quoted By: >>94796627

>>94796448
Have you read Ashita no joe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:52:12 No.94796500 Report

Quoted By: >>94796590

>>94793675
>western
Looking at euro comics, they're doing pretty nicely and there's a lot of quality and variation

sure the readership could be larger, but it's not all that dire

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:53:13 No.94796521 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794853
It's basically 1984 where the Lizard Jews are trying to control civilization while running experiments on the populace and fighting a creation gone rogue (the aliens in america where the kids neighbor turns out to be a snake in an angel suit to kill the fungi alien).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:54:28 No.94796541 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796409
Looked up last year's sales, they're still a drop in the bucket compared to US comic sales as a whole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:55:04 No.94796549 Report

Quoted By: >>94796596

>>94796494
I mean she heavily references elements of Christianity but heavily twists their meaning so that they fit better with the meticulously crafted world she was building, which was cool but also means that a lot of those elements don't meaningfully relate back to their sources.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:56:20 No.94796570 Report

Quoted By: >>94796605

>>94796474
Literally spazzing out and saying whatever comes in your smol mind at this point, eh brainlet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:57:53 No.94796590 Report

Quoted By: >>94796613

>>94796500
euro comics are 90% trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:58:17 No.94796594 Report

Quoted By: >>94797330

>>94796398
>ShindoL is a White woman from New York.
proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:58:23 No.94796596 Report

Quoted By: >>94796742

>>94796549
what elements of christianity? The only christian motives there are there only because Alchemy itself shares a common basis. As so, they fit into the alchemical view on god, not the christian view. The seven sins thing is an alchemical thing, not merely christian.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:58:59 No.94796605 Report

Quoted By: >>94796635

>>94796570
Go jack off to some silkscreened prints faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:59:13 No.94796613 Report

Quoted By: >>94796661

>>94796590
So is everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 01:59:52 No.94796621 Report

Quoted By: >>94796672

>>94796376
>Implying manga readers buy their shit
Same applies to /co/ to be honest

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:00:26 No.94796627 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796495
Yeah and I liked it. Got caught up when Hox said he was getting near the end. It's not realistic though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:00:51 No.94796635 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796605
>genreshitter seething

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:01:29 No.94796648 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794780
>john K peta started drawing when she was still 11 years old
I still cant get over that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:02:21 No.94796661 Report

Quoted By: >>94796749

>>94796613
Not really. besides the 10% is particularly great either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:02:33 No.94796662 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796369
I thought it was one person.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:03:09 No.94796672 Report

Quoted By: >>94796688 >>94796706 >>94796725

>>94796621
/a/ certainly buys less of it than /co/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:04:08 No.94796686 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796173
>Current western cartoons > current anime
Nigga, you must be joking. Western cartoons have been a shitshow for the past 2-3 years. Until we get an original action cartoon that doesn't get cancelled, western cartoons will never be in the same place as anime

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:04:12 No.94796688 Report

Quoted By: >>94796706

>>94796672
Meanwhile in capeshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:04:21 No.94796690 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795871
>the figures in manga and video games are creative fictions that do not actually exist
Good job, Japan, Morrison is now crying in the corner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:04:36 No.94796696 Report

Quoted By: >>94796784

>>94796093
With all the Spider-Man fanart he's done it's pretty obvious he's a fan, it boggles my mind trying to figure out why Marvel still hasn't hired him. I'm curious how he'd draw Peter Parker.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:05:16 No.94796706 Report

Quoted By: >>94797155

>>94796672
>>94796688
Waiting all that time and I forget the image

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:05:59 No.94796725 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796672
/a/ reads more than /co/

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:06:25 No.94796736 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795664
>LGBTQ
ppppffffffffffffffhahahahahahahhahahaha

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:06:35 No.94796742 Report

Quoted By: >>94796861

>>94796596
>The seven sins thing is an alchemical thing, not merely christian.
different anon but what the hell dude
They're the seven deadly sins, it's pretty christian

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:07:08 No.94796749 Report

Quoted By: >>94796824

>>94796661
This applies to the rest as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:08:15 No.94796768 Report

Quoted By: >>94797264

The only common denominator I've noticed with anime and manga is the terrible writing.

Perhaps that reflects the declining education of America's youth. Maybe westerners need to dumb it down a notch for that market share.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:08:27 No.94796772 Report

Quoted By: >>94797140

If you want to get people into comics you have to get them when they are young. In japan they got Shounen Jump doing that work. What would in the US?
A teenager, let alone a child, won't go and read Batman or Superman or shit like that, at the very best they might read some webcomic while they browse the internet from their phone. Problem is webcomics are fucking trash, and they are actually pretty different medium than normal comics.

Maybe the big 2 should try to publish for free some simple and relatable webcomic with 100% original superheroes. Also making them teen-agers, would probably help a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:09:07 No.94796784 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796696

That's not fanart anon, those are covers/pin-ups he was asked to do. He also did promo art for the Power Rangers film.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:10:45 No.94796821 Report

Quoted By: >>94796880 >>94797489

>>94793962
The big two is like 98% of the industry, so effectively yeah, it's the entire industry minus some outliers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:10:45 No.94796822 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796458
>all the influences she throws in make sense with regards to how they are irl.
A lot of nip creators do this imo. They usually put in a lot of research, sure, but ultimately treat western culture and religion as a toybox of cool influences they can take and use and twist however they like to fit into their storyverse to add that nice exotic twist of historical/religious/mythical references. But it doesn't go deeper than adding something that feels "cool", and they don't stress about doing it "right"

which does lead to amusing end results, but sometimes it's a bit weird

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:10:48 No.94796824 Report

Quoted By: >>94796932

>>94796749
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:12:46 No.94796861 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796742
they're also PARAMOUNT to alchemy. Each capital sin, also know as a capital defect, is related to one of the 7 classical planets, and the search for the phisolopher's stone is related to solving and coagulating yourself numerous times until you can turn those defects into qualities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:13:49 No.94796880 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796821
No it isn't dumb /a/ poster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:13:58 No.94796881 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795020
Because Oda tells a good story, and the art is decent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:14:18 No.94796892 Report

Quoted By:

Are comic book readers willing to sacrifice color? Are comic book publishers willing to sell 3 dollar magazine compilations with 400+ pages of comics?

If the answer to these questions is no then there is nothing comics can learn from manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:16:11 No.94796931 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795499
This is a joke about how spider-man comics are about peter parker itself most of the time right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:16:17 No.94796932 Report

Quoted By: >>94796977

>>94796824
Yes it does. When it comes to anime, each season has like 30 to 45 new shows, only 3 to 5 actually stand out and when compared to the quality standard set by classics, they're mediocre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:16:30 No.94796936 Report

Quoted By: >>94796951 >>94803706

>>94795305
there's nothing wrong with preferring dubs.
>You can actually understand the languange hence shit like timing, delivery, tone are more noticeable
>Your focus isn't constantly taken up by 1/4th of the screen detracting from what's going on
>If I'm watching something like Jojo the added accents just add a lot more to the character persobalities
>Jokes aren't 'spoiled' by subs so when the delivery does come out the punchline has that vital few seconds to make it really hit its mark
>No shitty tl notes that over explain shit "All according to keikkaku" *Keikkaku means plan"
>In a way it's more accurate to watch an anime that doesn't take place in japan in english.

One of the cons probably is
>Cringy Dialogue is more noticeable since you're not just reading it off a screen *Death Note Potato Chip Scene"
>Inner thought monologues just don't work very well in general.
>Dialogue is limited by Mouth Flaps

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:16:38 No.94796940 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794129
Words cannot describe how much I loathe how normies try to be "sassy".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:17:15 No.94796951 Report

Quoted By: >>94797151

>>94796936
>enjoying the JoJo dubs
Maybe if you can't read fast enough to keep up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:17:49 No.94796963 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675

Crash the fucking industry. Both comics and vidya. Chase away all the pieces of shit that are there for something other then a love for comics.

The only problem is the movies will float the fucking thing so I am not sure if it was possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:18:23 No.94796977 Report

Quoted By: >>94797041

>>94796932
Talking about comics, not animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:19:28 No.94797001 Report

Quoted By: >>94797212

>>94796369
>ShindoL
It was Asanagi you fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:20:53 No.94797030 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795060
nothing really. the only thing i can think of that's changed is that it got into a really long and drawn out arc. and in the current arc it shoved ALL the female characters into a fight off screen that they'll probably wrap up in a couple of pages in a flashback once they beat the villain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:21:37 No.94797041 Report

Quoted By: >>94797087

>>94796977
Relates to Mango as well my dude. You just don't realize the sheer amount of manga that's produced, you only look at manga that's scanlated, of course the perception is skewed. And even most of the scanlated manga is pure garbage, the good shit is always the outliner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:22:11 No.94797052 Report

Quoted By: >>94797177 >>94797208 >>94797230

As a person that once had the choice and choose manga over comics feel like the western comic industry tries too fucking hard to sell me something.
>CIVIL WAR WHOA IT'S IRON VS CAPTAIN
>"THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN"
>CIVIL WAR 2
>THE KILLING JOKE
>IT'S WOLVERINE BUT NOW HE'S OLD
>THOR, BUT NOW IT'S A SHE

Like holy fuck guys try something new, comics ride of off the success of shit that has been going for decades, it's old and I don't give a fuck anymore. Hell even normies would just rather watch the next MCU or DCU movie than to read you faggot comics with reboots, continuations, crossovers, etc. Stupid.

Manga is not only not that taxing to get into but there's more variety, can't remember for the life of me of the last comic that I was curious about, while as with manga I'm regularly thinking "A manga about Undines on Mars? What the fuck's that all about?" and lo and behold, it's fucking great. The comic industry need to grow some balls and let smaller budgets run with higher risks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:22:20 No.94797059 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795632
Demon Knights? The Busiek Avengers Arc where the Avengers turn Medieval? Pretty much any DnD book? The JLA Elseworld book where they become a DnD rip-off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:23:45 No.94797087 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797041
With mango the better stuff actually doesn't get scanlation or gets it late.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:25:52 No.94797135 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795084
>Yeah dude, I totally celebrate tanabata.
>Well of course I eat takoyaki at least once a week.
>I absolutely remember my weeklong school festivals
>How can I forget my times in the archery club.
>I totally relate to being an autist who passes out when a woman touches his hand

I've been mostly content to scan this thread so far, but I gotta say: if you think this stuff is really important when it comes to the relatability of a character, you're a fucking lost cause. I mean, for one, you're basically barring characters from fictional places or settings from being relatable by this logic, because they don't have the same meaningless cultural flotsam as us.

We don't relate to Marty McFly, for example, because he celebrates Christmas or eats the same food we do. We relate to the common human struggles he faces, which are things that transcend culture.

Fuck, man, if you're not a total hollow-man you can relate to most of the cast of Seven Samurai, and they're not even living in the same era as us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:26:11 No.94797140 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796772
DC Superhero Girls, anon. A multimedia, multimarket merchandise franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:26:40 No.94797151 Report

Quoted By: >>94797327

>>94796951
>Reading when I could be just Watching and enjoying the ham

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:26:46 No.94797155 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796706
>405 million on a cape monopoly with some Walking Dead sprinkled in

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:27:34 No.94797177 Report

Quoted By: >>94797214 >>94797230

>>94797052
This.

Cape comics are bloated, overwrought sales pitches in dramatic form. Manga are actual stories, whether good or bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:29:22 No.94797208 Report

Quoted By: >>94797267 >>94797301

>>94797052
Publishers that aren't Marvel or DC sell a bunch of things that aren't at all what you listed. Since you're /a/ you won't need me to spoonfeed you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:29:46 No.94797212 Report

Quoted By: >>94797283

>>94797001
You're right, I was reading doujins earlier and had shindoL on the mind. I'm sorry anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:29:59 No.94797214 Report

Quoted By: >>94797305

>>94797177
>Cape comics are bloated, overwrought sales pitches in dramatic form
>Denying Morrison's Animal Man, All-Star Superman, Tom King's Vision, etc are stories

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:30:52 No.94797230 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797052
>>94797177
Hear, hear! They've pretty much became clickbait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:31:38 No.94797250 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796173
>Current wstern cartoons>current anime
Nigga i'm a huge cartoon fag and this is no true, the only shit that i'm following in SU whatever CN decide to leak the episodes and Clarence that is already cancelled anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:32:44 No.94797264 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796768
M8, capeshit is as dumb as it goes. Most comics don't even make sense panel to panel anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:32:51 No.94797267 Report

Quoted By: >>94797350

>>94797208
Maybe they do, I don't know, and of course you won't tell me (lol). But don't you ever try to argue that it's better or as good as manga.

Even with it's clear problems it's obvious western stories are most of the time outmatched by the Japanese, clear and point, you would be hard to think of any genre where the comic sitting at top isn't japanese. Aside from maybe super heroes, and even that Japs are catching up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:33:34 No.94797283 Report

Quoted By: >>94797334

>>94797212
Yeah sorry for calling you a fuck i hate both asanagi and ShindoL and i will not be suprised that the person that got made as a cute girl was me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:34:16 No.94797301 Report

Quoted By: >>94797658

>>94797208
Most Image stuff is the same except they lack the iconic characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:34:32 No.94797305 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797214
Well, in the main.

I mean, I'm unlikely to read the vast majority of manga either. But it's far more likely that a random manga will engage me than a random cape comic, because the manga will be written as a story with a natural progression, whereas reading your average cape comic is now like reading a fucking advertising reel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:34:55 No.94797319 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794129
>The huge variety of stories that don't feel like they're edited by soulless executives and market test results.
We're talking about manga right? A lot of it nowadays is lowest common denominator bullshit (currently isekai harem LN adaptations) and Shueisha is pretty notorious for pretty hands on editorial and cancelling series if their tankobons aren't selling exceptionally, especially when it comes to Weekly Shonen Jump.

The stuff you're buying in the bookstores (especially by small publishers like Seven Seas) or reading on Batoto or whatever isn't indicative of what's actually popular or supported in Japan. It'd be like a Jap findin some obscure Boom comic or something and holding that up as an example of the "large variety" in American comics while ignoring that it's mainly cape comics that dominate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:35:27 No.94797327 Report

Quoted By: >>94797456 >>94802641

>>94797151
I'd much rather get the version with superbly talented voice actors giving memorable performances. Using Jojo as an example, most of the actors fucking suck but Patrick Seitz as Dio is actually pretty good. I can actually watch his scenes and enjoy them, he seems to really get the character and puts a lot of effort into his performance. Yet he's still not as memorable or as impressive as Koyasu Takehito's Dio. If I had a choice of which Dio performance to watch I'm going to pick Koyasu every time, and it's not because I think Seitz sucks, it's because even though he's good, Koyasu is better.

And so you do that comparison with every character, only none of them are nearly as good as Seitz, and it becomes a no brainer which version you'd rather watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:35:30 No.94797330 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796594
If true that'll make two porn artists that both have a fetish that deeply disgusts me but their art is still good enough that I persist.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:35:47 No.94797334 Report

Quoted By: >>94797373

>>94797283
Why do you hate them? Is it cause the bad ends? This is why I just stick to their pixiv pages.

In any case this is you now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:36:14 No.94797343 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794555
Yes and why is that?

Something like Sesuji wo Pin was fucking great but sold like shit and was given middling ratings because people reading WSJ want generic battle shonen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:36:38 No.94797350 Report

Quoted By: >>94797368 >>94797378 >>94797389 >>94797465

>>94797267
In all honesty, a lot of the best stuff around is neither Japanese or American. It's French.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:37:16 No.94797368 Report

Quoted By: >>94797549

>>94797350
Yeah? Post names.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:37:37 No.94797373 Report

Quoted By: >>94797401

>>94797334
Nah, the problem is that both always do the same story over and over, the first time yes is shocking but then it get boring and people love to overhyper them, and Asanagi is a poser that always do work with popular shit, atleast ShindoL do "original" works

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:37:55 No.94797378 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797350
>It's French.
I dunno about that anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:38:21 No.94797389 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797350
The worst you mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:38:24 No.94797390 Report

Quoted By:

>>94794529
They can't get into grocery stores anymore, that's a major part of the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:38:57 No.94797401 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797373
I'm not usually following the doujin hype so that never really bothered me, but fair enough, that's an okay reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:39:09 No.94797407 Report

Quoted By: >>94797497

>>94794129
>a manga reader can go out and pick from literal thousands of long running complete gay romance stories, and you want $4 for 1 gay character?
Fujos don't read poorly drawn, poorly written yaoi shit though. They read sports or shonen battle manga then push for gay ships much like their American counterparts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:40:48 No.94797456 Report

Quoted By: >>94797550 >>94797600

>>94797327
Sub vs dub is fucking moronic. Why does anyone even care what language other people watch it in? How does that affect you?

Its not like Japan doesn't dub over American cartoons that air over there, and most people watch it in that language because its what they're comfortable with. Who cares?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:41:06 No.94797465 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797350
Go away ouiboo, French comic are just as terrible, and i say this a frog

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:42:01 No.94797489 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796821
Sales indicate the big 2 is like 70% of the industry

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:42:25 No.94797497 Report

Quoted By: >>94797552

>>94797407
Not particularly the same but as a /u/fag I enjoy manga way more because characters are gay because of artistic choice, while I feel like western comic just do gay for diversity points.

I figure fujos work somewhat similarly and that guy is a moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:45:01 No.94797549 Report

Quoted By: >>94797627

>>94797368
I think most are pretty commonly known on /co/ but whatever.

Stuff like Wake/Sillage, The Incal, Zaya, etc.

Even stuff like Freaks Squeele is better than most cape stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:45:03 No.94797550 Report

Quoted By: >>94797679

>>94797456
>Why does anyone even care what language other people watch it in? How does that affect you?
People talk about performances, especially memorable ones, when talking about an anime. If a voice actor changed they make comparisons between them and debate which one played the role better. If you only watch localized dubs you can't participate in these discussions. Most of the time hardcore anime fans don't really care about localized dubs since they are generally inferior in quality, while the Japanese ones have a lot more care put into them due to the cast being screened by the anime director and sometimes even the original author of the source material. There's a lot more artistic cohesion in the Japanese dub and that's why it's what is talked about . There's exceptions, obviously, like Ghost in the Shell: SAC, but for 99% of anime it's sub > dub.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:45:09 No.94797552 Report

Quoted By: >>94797593

>>94797497
Even if a western comic does it as an artistic choice people will still assume its just pandering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:46:29 No.94797577 Report

Quoted By:

By American comics, you got Marvel, DC (Vertigo), Dark Horse, IDW, and Image. Then there's shit like Drawn & Quarterly and Fantagraphics on the side.
What seems to be is that The Big 2 isn't pandering, but succumb to interns and rando hires fucking up the brand from the inside through the books while wanting to cap a piece of that pie smaller publisher cater to.

Jap comics have went the extra mile to step into the American market like Kodakawa, Vertical, Viz, Yen Press, Seven Seas. Dark Horse have begun publishing manga too, already testing the waters, but releases niche shit both abroad and on hometurf cus they can get away with the paper pressing and different attitude towards comics. Contrast to the american big, the japanese big's series are structured to run for as long as it can before getting the booth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:47:18 No.94797593 Report

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>>94797552
Do they? I feel like that more with comics, for example I genuinely feel like Enid from OK KO is gay and it's, for once, not forced, that and Enid has a character aside from the fact, to the point where her being lesbian is even debatable. I really can't feel any lesbian like that in comics, it's usually the same female superhero archetype but now she kisses girls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:47:24 No.94797600 Report

Quoted By: >>94797743

>>94797456
>Its not like Japan doesn't dub over American cartoons that air over there, and most people watch it in that language because its what they're comfortable with
They have the exact same debates over there. The hardcore fans who really dig western animation insist it must be watched in the original language. I recall this from Star Vs threads when we got a look at how Japanese fans saw the series, and there was a debate going on over whether the Japanese version of the show was as good as the English. They seemed to feel that the English voice acting was better and fit the show more, but that for general audiences in Japan it made no difference since they'd only ever see the show in Japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:48:22 No.94797622 Report

Quoted By: >>94797675

>>94795020
You have to realise, it's because it's a kids series.

Shit like One Piece, Dragonball, etc. have millions of units in sales regularly.
The next popular shit (like below Top 3 or Top 5) barely break tens or hundreds of thousands of units total because that's the real number of otaku/faggots supporting the industry alone with their NEETbuxx when kids aren't involved in the targeted demographics. The difference is staggering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:48:45 No.94797627 Report

Quoted By: >>94797669

>>94797549
Wake is crap, Zaya is mediocre, Incal is overrated as fuck(Metabarons is good though)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:49:30 No.94797641 Report

Quoted By: >>94797702

>>94793675
lets be honest with ourselves. The bulk of the problem is how nerd culture is in the States, its perfectly acceptable to be a "nerd" of a show/movie/comic/game as long as you buy enough merchandise to prove it. The majority of "nerds" would rather watch some asshole on youtube give them the tl:dr of recent comic stories than actually go a fucking read it themselves. Anime today is completely geared towards merchandising whores, the fact that their books sell is just icing on the cake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:50:06 No.94797658 Report

Quoted By: >>94797714

>>94797301
Western comics isn't limited to 3 publishers you casual fucking faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:50:28 No.94797669 Report

Quoted By: >>94797704 >>94797791

>>94797627
>Wake is crap

/co/ntrarianism at its finest.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:50:50 No.94797675 Report

Quoted By: >>94797705

>>94797622
Except One Piece's biggest demographic is 20-30 year olds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:51:03 No.94797679 Report

Quoted By: >>94797876

>>94797550
Well that's your opinion.

I've heard enough subs have an opinion of them. I've seen subs where the voices sounded generic and uninspired. People also say that the japanese versions have more emotional acting, but to me a lot of the time it just seems more like overacting.

I can understand wanting to see something in its original language, but a lot of dub performances these days are better than sub fans give them credit for. Its not like twenty years ago where many english voice actors just phoned it in. Many put genuine effort in now, and it shows.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:52:05 No.94797702 Report

Quoted By: >>94797761

>>94797641

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:52:17 No.94797704 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797669
No that's just a f/a/ggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:52:17 No.94797705 Report

Quoted By: >>94797734 >>94797753

>>94797675
That's because One Piece is so old, the kids it initially attracted are grown up.

That's like saying Pokemon isn't a kids series because the largest paying demographic are genwunners who graduated college by now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:52:21 No.94797707 Report

Quoted By: >>94797752

Lmao no one who didn't read comics read manga unless they were already a weeb.

One of the largest reasons anyone reads manga is because they can read it for free very readily. Only recently did western comics go online for free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:52:31 No.94797714 Report

Quoted By: >>94797758

>>94797658
He said publishers that aren't DC or Marvel, you casual fucking faggot. That includes Image, Dynamite or Boom too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:53:29 No.94797734 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797705
Forgot pic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:53:55 No.94797743 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797600
This, as a latinoamerican, for example, i love the dub of Card Captors Sakura, but when i rewatched the series i did it in japanese without a problem, and with Murrika cartoons i watch them on the release day in english and then when i catch the episode on Tv i watch it dubbed and i don't mind the dubs most of the time, but i prefer to watch always on the original language

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:54:34 No.94797752 Report

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>>94797707
Yeah but Americans pirating Japanese manga they never have a chance of buying, vs Americans pirating American comics that they can get at a neighbourhood bookstore are vastly different circumstances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:54:35 No.94797753 Report

Quoted By: >>94797905

>>94797705
what about the 32% which are 30-49? Where they also all kids in 1995?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:54:47 No.94797758 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797714
Yeah and even that doesn't cover Western publishers since you equate West = American.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:55:03 No.94797761 Report

Quoted By: >>94797797 >>94800299

>>94797702
Watching this image now I realize that the manga at the bottom are Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou and Kabu no Isaki, two of the best Slice of Life manga ever created by the god Hitoshi Ashinano, showing them in the end kinda kills the point of the image, but pretty cool that they are there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:57:07 No.94797791 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797669
>using contrarian unironically
You just btfo yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 02:57:16 No.94797797 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797761
That imagen has always be retarded, even more if you watch the documental it really come, the director was from a failure of a studio and what's the problem with an animator working in the hobby he likes?

Maximum_Joe !JrVCpvv176

Maximum_Joe !JrVCpvv176 Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:00:06 No.94797850 Report

Quoted By: >>94797891

>>94796398
ShindoL is a man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:01:44 No.94797876 Report

Quoted By: >>94798027

>>94797679
>Well that's your opinion.
It's my opinion that Ghost in the Shell is better dubbed than subbed. It's an attested fact that the Japanese dub is better quality than the localized versions. You can't dispute it. The actual anime director is involved in choosing the Japanese voice cast, he hand picks actors he thinks best bring the characters to life. That's a direct translation of the director's vision for the show into how it is executed, you don't get that from localizations, it's basically a craps shoot every time. Sometimes though you get lucky and a masterpiece gets made (GitS:SAC) but most of the time you end up with junk.

Also it's worth noting that not every anime is made with such care, there's plenty of anime that are just hastily thrown together for the sake of advertising, but the point is that level of care is possible in Japan, but not in localizations. If Japan knocks a performance out of the park it's EXTREMELY unlikely any localization will come close to matching it, like even remotely close. But if they just phone it in and the performance is nothing special, then yeah, maybe a localization could match it, sure. I still wouldn't really bet on it because like I said: it's a craps shoot when it comes to localizations. You never know what you're going to end up with, they just reach into the grab bag of assorted voice actors they have on hand and throw them into random roles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:02:17 No.94797891 Report

Quoted By: >>94797986

>>94797850
Joe, I didn't know you post on /co/. Or do you just have a bot that trawls all boards for mentions of hentai related stuff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:02:50 No.94797905 Report

Quoted By: >>94797923 >>94797976

>>94797753
They would've been 18-27 in 1995 so they were probably former kids who didn't grow out of reading Jump every week.

But that's not really the point, my point was that there are a bajillion kids who are going to keep asking for more Luffy merchandise from their parents every week while the average NEET (that are much fewer in number) would probably just get a body pillow or two and spend the rest of their budget on Idolmaster shit instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:03:44 No.94797923 Report

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>>94797905
but they're 12% of the reader base.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:05:49 No.94797976 Report

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>>94797905
You're not understanding the data. Kids are a minority of OP's readership at this point, the manga is not sustained by their interest. One Piece has extremely high reader retention and also appeals to people of all ages, which is why most of its readership is now over 18.

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Maximum_Joe !JrVCpvv176 Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:06:24 No.94797986 Report

Quoted By:

>>94797891
I lurk on occasion and the topic caught my eye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:07:27 No.94798015 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
I mean it's right. The only comics I actually bother reading are the Star Wars comics and that's because they're thankfully all enjoyable and understandable on their own (+ having watched the movies of course) and there's only ONE timeline and ONE universe* I have to worry about.

*rest in pieces EU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:07:52 No.94798027 Report

Quoted By: >>94798044 >>94798289

>>94797876
Its not like the dubbed versions don't having their own casting directors and voice directors.

I thought the english voice cast of Fullmetal Alchemist did a great job. And didn't the creator of Cowboy Bebop say he preferred the english version? Again, I don't think you're giving enough credit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:08:15 No.94798032 Report

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>>94794974
God damn it I know it's a super late reply, but Golden Week is literally the Japanese equivalent to Sprng Break you stupid fucking idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:08:54 No.94798044 Report

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>>94798027
*have

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:11:50 No.94798120 Report

Quoted By:

Show me your cute comics Burgers
>KAWAIII! MANGA & ANIME IS CUTER AND PRETTIER
>Sometimes, it's just the manga / anime aesthetic just appeals to some readers more, because it tends to be prettier / cuter than its American counterparts. Let's face it, Japan has mastered "cute" and the rest of the world just has to play catch-up...
>
>Again, true. The genre of cute and funny girls who just have fun, sing and dance is pretty much a market that Japan has cornered, while US? Not so much.
>I feel a lot of American comics look weird to me--either they're grotesque or really realistic. Manga gives a "cute & pretty" option.
>When I was growing up, US comics were hard to find, had ugly art, and cost way too much. I've been reading an even mix past few years.

They're right /co/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:19:42 No.94798276 Report

Quoted By: >>94798612

>>94794812
Dude, it's easy to get into manga because you can just type the name in a find it for free on google. It's been like that for the past ten years. After getting invested, then people pay for it. And if you don't think there's retcons maybe you haven't heard of the Fate/Stay series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:20:24 No.94798289 Report

Quoted By: >>94798497

>>94798027
>Its not like the dubbed versions don't having their own casting directors and voice directors.
Those directors have nothing to do with the anime though. They work for a licensing company. They don't have access to the anime production staff. They can't just call up the anime director and ask him for his opinion on the latest cuts. They can't get a meeting with the author of the source material to see if their actors are a good fit for the role. That's what they can do in Japan, if they care enough to, which is often. Only the most formulaic, by the numbers, made-for-advertising anime doesn't have any kind of QA involving the anime director. In Japan every time they finish dubbing an episode they do a demo for the director and other high level staff and if it doesn't meet their approval they have to redo it. Often though they are crunched for time, so there is a IMMENSE pressure to get it right the first time, so if the voice acting is important the director will give it a lot of attention at the outset to make sure the actors are a good fit and that they understand what they are going for in the series and even in each scene.

It also helps that Japan has these super A-list seiyuu who can be trusted to nail pretty much any performance you give them. They are extremely talented individuals who command very high salaries because they can do pretty much any scene with minimal direction and get it in one or two takes. It's actually really incredible to see them work.

I haven't seen anything like this in the west. If a western dub turns out good it's luck.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:27:00 No.94798436 Report

Quoted By: >>94798478 >>94798624

Question: Do people like the format that manga typically comes in vs your standard western comic? A shorter, one-a-week dose versus a once a month drop?

Personally I like the action a lot more in eastern stuff than western stuff. Maybe just the stuff I get into seems a lot more dynamic. I think the appeal of different culture values also sort makes things more exotic since the lens the eastern stuff comes from is fairly different than a western one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:28:47 No.94798478 Report

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>>94798436
The once a week dose allowed a writer to dedicate a whole page to the main character hitting a guy in the nuts.
That shit wouldn't fly in the western format

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:29:24 No.94798497 Report

Quoted By: >>94804163

>>94798289
I'm obviously not nearly as impressed with these japanese voice actors as you are. I've heard some subs where the voice acting was supposed to be really good and I was unimpressed.

I guess to an extant even acting quality can be subjective, since Marlon Brando was often considered a great actor, but I've heard people say he was shit.

At any rate, you think Japanese voice acting is inherently better than english. I don't. It doesn't seem like anyone is changing their mind here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:33:33 No.94798612 Report

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>>94798276
To be fair the only stuff that got outright retconned in fate has been the sex, and other stuff like what's the canon ending or from which universe archer come always get answer with "MULTIVERSE LOL" which also happens in comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:34:10 No.94798624 Report

Quoted By: >>94798683

>>94798436
Even in once a month cape comics it feels like the pacing is shit, most writers seem to struggle with how to fill a comic.

So i'd prefer manga cause even if one week is bad, you only need to wait a week for a maybe better one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:36:22 No.94798683 Report

Quoted By: >>94798819

>>94798624
Pacing in manga is also garbage.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:36:36 No.94798692 Report

Quoted By: >>94798785

>401 posts in and still nobody has refuted any point the article made
The next generation is going to be a generation of manga readers whose sole exposure to traditional western comics are from the MCU, DCEU, and AMC's The Walking Dead along with some video games here and there

kill me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:37:39 No.94798713 Report

Quoted By: >>94798746

>it's another thread where /co/ throws an autistic fit over manga

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:38:54 No.94798746 Report

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>>94798713
I thought it was /a/ throwing an autistic fit over manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:40:26 No.94798785 Report

Quoted By: >>94798872 >>94799009

>>94798692
The thread is all cape casuals and weeb faggots, what's the point in arguing against brainlets that don't really care for any point and parrot shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:41:24 No.94798819 Report

Quoted By: >>94799034

>>94798683
It feels less offensive when I don't have to wait a month for the next issue of poor pacing though is what I mean.

How many more pages does a comic have compared to a chapter in the average manga anyways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:42:44 No.94798866 Report

Quoted By: >>94800487

>>94794589
>Women ruin everything
>I'm a woman
Truth spoken.
You don't have to go to the kitchen, you can stay if you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:42:53 No.94798872 Report

Quoted By: >>94799117 >>94804190 >>94804213

>>94798785
why do weebs go on /co/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:46:57 No.94799009 Report

Quoted By: >>94799197

>>94798785
>except me, who cannot disprove the article either

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:47:45 No.94799034 Report

Quoted By: >>94799509 >>94804386

>>94798819
>How many more pages does a comic have compared to a chapter in the average manga anyways?
This is a reductionist way of looking at things since paneling and sequentiality of manga and comic is really different. Look at it this way, how much story progression does manga and anime achieve in same amount of time? The difference is actually not huge. Just because you have more pages doesn't mean you are doing more with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:50:30 No.94799117 Report

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>>94798872
By definition, it's because capeshit is part of a white kid's childhood whether he was initially interested or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:51:04 No.94799141 Report

Quoted By: >>94799188

>>94794589
Fakku should be kicked out of everything for fucking up sadpanda. Also the entire administration of the site should be burned on a cross. Agree with everything else you said though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:53:09 No.94799188 Report

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>>94799141
Isn't Fakku's founder a blogger for a Gawker site?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:53:25 No.94799197 Report

Quoted By: >>94799264

>>94799009
The article is also written by a casual. A lot of "points" literally boil down to I don't like so and so and the western approach and the author is treating the subjectivism as a universal truth.
This discussion honestly doesn't belong in fan circles, it's a discourse for academia and scholars who actually know the history and pattern of publication when it comes to both medium and can make points based on objective facts. Nobody here can make those arguments and thus the discourse itself is redundant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:55:47 No.94799264 Report

Quoted By: >>94799347 >>94799759

>>94799197
What makes you think she's a casual?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 03:58:23 No.94799347 Report

Quoted By: >>94799538 >>94799759

>>94799264
Because of the points she made and because of the biases she had while making those points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:02:15 No.94799487 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793982
>>94793962
It pretty much does. Even though I'm like one of five people who refuses to buy comics from the big two.

Dark Horse sometimes, I guess.

Only comics I even picked up as of late were a few Daniel Clowes works and a few other things

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:02:39 No.94799509 Report

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>>94799034
It was an unrelated comment, I was just curious since i'm already comparing the two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:03:29 No.94799538 Report

Quoted By: >>94799589 >>94800019

>>94799347
Like? How is the western comic industry having retarded publishing and managing of characters, swift of authors and writes, tired plots and concepts and non-beginner friendly start up points a good thing?

The article is not "Things I don't like about the Comic Industry", it's "Things that keep the Comic Industry from being as successful as manga". And it's correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:04:49 No.94799589 Report

Quoted By: >>94799624

>>94799538
Not him
It's also "Why the younger manga generation don't read western comics"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:05:52 No.94799624 Report

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>>94799589
*doesn't read

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:09:51 No.94799759 Report

Quoted By: >>94799881 >>94800884

>>94799264
>>94799347
Here, I'll even expand on it. It's a tweet in the article.
>And most traditional cartoons in the US are cheaply animated by overseas studios where anime is a medium dominated by auteurs and virtuosos.
This is bullshit on 2 level, first in assumption that American audience only consume cartoons made in America, that's not really true since hardcore cartoon audience also consume European cartoons just as religiously and second, no, anime is not auteur driven, not since the collapse of the physical media market in mid 2000s. It's a consumer driven fetishistic medium for the most part that's catering to dwindling base or serving as a product advertisment, cheaply made. These guys have very idealistic view of things and their points could not be further from reality. Anyone would pretty much disregard these guys as casuals since every non casual fan of anime know the reality of the medium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:13:46 No.94799881 Report

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>>94799759
That was from someone who replied to her twitter question starting this whole thing, not directly from herself
The guy who said that works on storyboard and comics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:14:43 No.94799911 Report

Quoted By:

I tried to read this shit (hoping to be something close to teppuu) but couldn`t cope with the shit protags

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:16:32 No.94799971 Report

Quoted By:

Is Starve good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:17:11 No.94799995 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795419
go on and try to survive without eating meat you faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:17:56 No.94800019 Report

Quoted By: >>94800081 >>94800306

>>94799538
No their point isn't just that, it's part of the criticism and they mean to say manga is so much superior to comics while they give examples of capeshit and equate it with American comics as a whole. You can definitely talk about the publishing side of things while being a casual and talk about stuff like accessibility or other stuff but don't try to devalue a whole medium by looking at one aspect and generalizing everything, simply put, don't talk about the overall quality of American comics when all you read is capeshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:18:46 No.94800039 Report

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>>94795419
>Our teeth are herbivore teeth
I'm sure that's why we have incisors and canine teeth like cows and horses because we're herbivores and not omnivores who can eat both meat and veggies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:20:18 No.94800081 Report

Quoted By: >>94800203

>>94800019
I mean does it matter? Capeshit is what sells, and it's not like Capeshit or not manga isn't better than Western comics anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:21:13 No.94800114 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795419
Were omnivores. Pure herbivore will fuck you up more than eating 90% meat. Only Poo in Loo's have the genetics to do close to pure vegan and even then rates of stomach cancer are high as fuck there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:24:09 No.94800203 Report

Quoted By: >>94800243

>>94800081
>I mean does it matter? Capeshit is what sells
This is retarded, it would be like me going to a manga sales chart and seeing top 7 out 10 things as shonen and then saying that's all there is to manga. This is why I said, casuals shouldn't authoritatively comment about a medium and that this discussion can only be seriously had in academic and scholarly circles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:24:41 No.94800222 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795730
Identity Crisis

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:25:26 No.94800243 Report

Quoted By: >>94800642

>>94800203
>limiting to top 10
You could do top 100, maybe top 500 and manga would still be on top. Sorry buddy but there's no way around it, and if I'm wrong start dropping some names.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:27:23 No.94800299 Report

Quoted By: >>94800564 >>94804235 >>94804267

>>94797761
>SoL
>best
The entire genre is garbage, saying "best SoL" is like saying "best pile of diarrhea".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:27:29 No.94800306 Report

Quoted By: >>94800642

>>94800019
Care to name examples of western comics refuting each point made by the article?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:28:13 No.94800323 Report

Quoted By: >>94800502

>>94796133
2003 was better since it had time to make people give a shit about Nina and Hughes but the homunculi and the conspiracy was superior in Brotherhood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:33:04 No.94800487 Report

Quoted By:

>>94798866
I hate saying it, but it sounds like I'm going 'hur I'm not like other girls'. I am. If you try and cater shit to me, it will be a worst experience for everyone involved, I've come to realise that.

I've come to realise that if I ever want anything to stay as good as I found it, I need to just make sure most women stay away.

Women are 'fandom terrorists'.

If I make snacks can I make out of the kitchen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:33:37 No.94800502 Report

Quoted By:

>>94800323
Homunculi were fleshed out characters in 2003 instead of just henchmen. And Dante > Father.

On another note, what would happen if one of the big two bought the other?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:35:42 No.94800564 Report

Quoted By: >>94801574

>>94800299
Your shit taste disgusts me but YKK is so good I can only try to convince you to give a shot, not all SoL is moe shit garbage school girl happy-go-lucky show like K-ON or Lucky Star. If you are still skeptic then at least try to read what does Iyakishei means.

LOBO

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LOBO Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:36:12 No.94800580 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
Sounds like a job fer th' Main Man himself! Now that they got rid of that nancy-boy Nu52 fraggot, figure it's time to give the 'Bo another monthly, ya bastiches.

... AND NOT THAT KINDA MONTHLY, YA FRAGGIN PERVERT!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:37:49 No.94800642 Report

Quoted By: >>94800943 >>94800949

>>94800243
>manga would still be on top.
On top of what? Quality? Diversity? You know top selling manga in America is all shonen garbage and it's not considerably better better in Japan?
>>94800306
>Care to name examples of western comics refuting each point made by the article?
How do I refute casuals points? Maybe this meme chart should help clear your casualness as well as theirs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:46:09 No.94800884 Report

Quoted By: >>94801055

>>94799759
If you asked me for auteurs in animation, I would probably name Ralph Bakshi and Don Bluth. The only anime auteur I can think of is the Sayounara Zetsubou Sensei guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:48:34 No.94800943 Report

Quoted By: >>94801033 >>94801262

>>94800642
what if I wanted to read something cute, lighthearted, and silly?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:48:40 No.94800949 Report

Quoted By:

>>94800642
Actually I meant best sellers, but that's a good rec list, I'll make sure to check some later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:52:11 No.94801033 Report

Quoted By:

>>94800943
Peanuts I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:53:11 No.94801055 Report

Quoted By:

>>94800884
There are definitelyfuck ton of auteurs in anime, just that current environment of the industry doesn't lend itself to worthwhile people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:53:58 No.94801080 Report

Quoted By:

>capeshit capeshit capeshit capeshit capeshit XDD
Get new buzzwords, retards. This shitty thread is exhausting to read.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:55:18 No.94801117 Report

Quoted By: >>94801143 >>94804268 >>94804308

>Manga artists have to meet deadlines in a week and are literally killing themselves
>comic staff are made up of multiple people and have a month to work on a single issue

wew lads

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:56:20 No.94801143 Report

Quoted By: >>94801178

>>94801117
>Despite this, manga artists still produce higher quality

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:57:37 No.94801178 Report

Quoted By: >>94801209

>>94801143

Naruto was never good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:58:33 No.94801209 Report

Quoted By:

>>94801178
Agreed
aside from Rock Lee vs Gaara

LOBO

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LOBO Mon 21 Aug 2017 04:59:21 No.94801235 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
I'd like to see a monthly series that takes place in one of the evil/mirror universes. If they gave Earth-3 it's own running series upon launch, it could have been great. A story about terrible people doing terrible things in a universe where evil winning is the status quo. None of the characters are redeemable, there is no spark of hope, only evil which fights against good within a universe where evil is the status quo.
Or they could use the Grant Morrison Earth 2 universe and make that a monthly. Having a monthly series that is the total moral opposite of regular series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:00:17 No.94801262 Report

Quoted By: >>94801731 >>94804045

>>94800943
Super Son's.
I do want to say there are some types of genre that are done well in certain medium. For example Iyashikei and Nichijou-kei genre are done very well and frequently in Japan because there's demand for it, the slice of life approach to comics is very frequent in alternative works but the approach is similar to Gekiga. Same way you won't find a lot of great amount of well done espionage and noir fiction in manga/anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:11:48 No.94801574 Report

Quoted By: >>94801615

>>94800564
>"WAHH FEEL SAD, READER" manipulative and cheap garbage
Japs cannot into emotional stuff. They make everything over-dramatic and laughable as a result.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:13:31 No.94801615 Report

Quoted By: >>94801698

>>94801574
What are you on? YKK is not sad. And even then you are still wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:16:39 No.94801698 Report

Quoted By: >>94801727

>>94801615
No, I'm not. When a character dies in japshit I always laugh because of how tryhard it always is. I have never experienced that with any other medium.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:18:02 No.94801727 Report

Quoted By: >>94801792

>>94801698
You don't say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:18:09 No.94801731 Report

Quoted By:

>>94801262
>no good espionage in anime
Princess principal this season says otherwise. Plus it has cute girls and thats always a plus

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:20:35 No.94801792 Report

Quoted By: >>94801862

>>94801727
What's your point? Everyone other than /tv/tards who pretend BvS is a good movie knows that Death of Superman is garbage.
And this is still not nearly as funny as Great Teacher Onizuka's ending

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:23:23 No.94801862 Report

Quoted By:

>>94801792
My point it's that you are wrong, comic book deaths are even worse and even more tryhard.
>b-but c-capeshit!!
Good, then we are both guilty of nitpicking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:28:45 No.94802007 Report

Quoted By:

Anime and manga attract a younger crowd because it is much easier for a western fan to access pirated japanese material than pirated western material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:30:29 No.94802048 Report

Quoted By:

Kill all women and replace them with artificial wombs.
Honestly, most of the problems with superhero genre (and let's be honest, that's what OP is talking about) come from women (either writers or whiny SJWs who need to make everything about themselves) or thirsty white knight betamaxes.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 05:37:29 No.94802211 Report

Quoted By: >>94802634 >>94802695 >>94804114

>>94794881

This. I actually went to manga because I was tired of thin Western floppies eternally stuck in a status quo and no actual character exploration. It was a no-brainer to teen me. Entire, complete series of manga that actually had endings and stakes. Ongoing that were genueinly interesting, pages released weekly, characters where relationships and death meant something, ect.

It was only after 20 that I came back to western stuff, because of quality animation, online ordering being so convenient for trades, storytimes, but mosty because 'manga goes on for fucking ever' and 99% of the time is pretentious and convoluted, and once you have read a full series in any given genre, you have read everything in that genre basically, because the majoirty of stuff is a retread of a retread.

The only manga I still own and care about are Berserk, Ranma 1/2, Ai Yori Aoshi, Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, Rosario + Vampire, Trigun, and Hellsing. Oh, and Kenshin.

>My Hero Academia
That sounds like capeshit. i'll give it a look.

I'm loving One Punch Man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:00:36 No.94802634 Report

Quoted By: >>94803815

>>94802211
>>94794881
I feel like this is the wrongest statement in the entire thread which is saying a lot. Only like 10% of manga go on any longer than a few years, most hardly making it 2 volumes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:00:55 No.94802641 Report

Quoted By: >>94804344

>>94797327 I'm not that much a turbo weeb as you to get the nuances of japanese acting. It's more noticeable in live-action where you at least get facial expressions to supplement how good they are but in a medium where it's just their voices, I'm pretty sure that bad japanese dubbing would just fly over people's head unless it's something unforgivably terrible. Like I said, it's not about performance but rather delivery and understanding, I can understand english so I can easily sense nuance in delivery. This is one of the reasons why I can't get into Japanese Comedy Anime unless it's dubbed (Cromartie comes to mind), because without understanding what the actor is saying as they say it, you're pretty much will just be laughing at the tone of their voice instead of what they actually say ("OH LMAO HE HAS A HIGH PITCH VOICE THAT MEANS HE'S GETTING REALLY ANNOYED LOLOLOLOL") it's not like I don't watch sub, but given the choice I'd really just rather watched dubs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:04:34 No.94802695 Report

Quoted By:

>>94802211
>My Hero Academia
Don't. It's shit man, save yourself the agony.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:08:16 No.94802763 Report

Quoted By:

>Grown ass adults caring about cartoons and comics sales

God save us all

Show me when an Anime movie makes $1 Billion at the box office

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:09:56 No.94802798 Report

Quoted By: >>94802831

>>94794129
Funfags should be shot, the way they try to justify imposing their view is disgusting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:12:22 No.94802831 Report

Quoted By: >>94802959

>>94802798
There's nothing wrong with funfags.
They just want to have fun and enjoy cute things and help encourage variety

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:21:35 No.94802959 Report

Quoted By:

>>94802831
Funfags don't encourage vareity, they actively seek out what doesn't conform to their view and say it's bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:27:00 No.94803029 Report

Quoted By: >>94803430

>>94795717
Big 3?
Who's the third?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:51:16 No.94803359 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795023
Pottermania was a thing Anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:53:34 No.94803392 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795717
>Comparing most consumed current ongoing manga to most read comic of all time.
Really boggles the noggle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 06:56:35 No.94803430 Report

Quoted By:

>>94803029
Image

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:10:16 No.94803618 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795899
And comics arent shitty media?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:13:31 No.94803657 Report

Quoted By:

When is there going to be /co/ shit that matches the depth and suspense of a fukumoto gambling manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:16:40 No.94803706 Report

Quoted By:

>>94796936
There is everything wrong with it especially with american dubs

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:23:03 No.94803797 Report

Quoted By: >>94804004

Japan isn't afraid to make their female or male characters cute and sexy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:24:07 No.94803815 Report

Quoted By: >>94804105

>>94802634
Okay. Name some decently well known manga that ONLY go from 1-2 volumes. Or even 5 and under. The only stuff I can think of is literal porn manga. I found two under 5 and they are bunch adaptions of novels.

The normal number for a manga is like... 15-30 volumes.

Literally I went to pick up and finish series I started reading when I was 11 only to find they are still publishing Junjou Romantica, Okane ga Nai and Loveless because I'm a fujoshi.

Manga never fucking finishes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:24:46 No.94803825 Report

Quoted By:

the only manga/anime I like is Madoka related cuz cutie magical witch girls are cool
Space Dandy was fun too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:33:34 No.94803951 Report

Quoted By: >>94804010

>>94793675
Why the fuck in these conversations do creator owned barely get any lip service?

There's nothing in the west that compares to Full Metal Alchemist? Have these people ever fucking ventured away from DC and Marvel?

The western comics industry is reaching a new renaissance. It's just that comics are fucking niche as fuck here and people end up going to television and film to tell their stories unless they're really invested in the idea of comics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:35:21 No.94803988 Report

Quoted By: >>94804027

>>94794129
Having seen both I'd read starve.

Starve is only nominally about the food and the artwork has a gritty charm to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:36:31 No.94804004 Report

Quoted By: >>94804072

>>94803797
You're right on the cute part, but not the sexy part. Comics are missing visual appeal like animation has with all the realistic art. I think that's why manga's so popular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:36:43 No.94804010 Report

Quoted By: >>94804042 >>94804162

>>94803951
And the one time they do acknowledge creator owned comics it's "everything else is still edgy and gritty stuff with bad art"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:37:45 No.94804027 Report

Quoted By: >>94804089

>>94803988
>Cooking comic
>Only nominally about cooking

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:38:38 No.94804042 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804010
>Everything else is gritty and edgy stuff
I'm the worst person to argue against this because my pullist almost entirely consists of crime comics but I could trawl through pullist online and see all the fucking cute and pandery comics being made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:38:51 No.94804045 Report

Quoted By:

>>94801262
What about something cute but not cape?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:39:14 No.94804050 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795664
No it doesnt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:39:25 No.94804057 Report

Quoted By:

>>94793675
by appealing to pedophiles, like modern anime does

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:40:02 No.94804064 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795897
Doesn't matter; if it'll sell you'll be published.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:40:23 No.94804072 Report

Quoted By: >>94804082

>>94804004
The way they're literally redesigning female costumes in Western comics is really telling of the way values have changed. They changed Captain Marvel into a manly Dyke with a modest suit because of affirmative action bullshit. And they do this will all of their heroines, especially in Marvel. I honestly can't think of a current female super hero that is as sexy as their earlier versions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:40:58 No.94804082 Report

Quoted By: >>94804136

>>94804072
Black Canary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:41:29 No.94804089 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804027
Because starve isn't a comic about cooking.

Its about a fuckup in his fifties trying to reconnect with his daughter and fuck over his creation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:42:21 No.94804105 Report

Quoted By: >>94804255

>>94803815
Spirit Circle is 6 volumes, Biscuit Hammer is 10.

Mx0 is 10 volumes too as is Kimi no Knife. Uwagaki is 4 as is Koisome Momiji.

10 volumes is like 100 chapters (going by weekly series standards, 20 pages per chapter). Barely anything actually gets to that point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:43:01 No.94804114 Report

Quoted By:

>>94802211
The best capeshit anime is still Tiger & Bunny. Give that a look.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:43:29 No.94804119 Report

Quoted By: >>94804205

>>94796173
Even in the fucking sea of nonsense that is modern anime, you still get better stuff than Western cartoons.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:44:11 No.94804136 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804082
You mean THIS Black Canary? This is the recent string of issues my local comic shop recommended to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:46:25 No.94804161 Report

Quoted By: >>94804352

>it's /co/ is insecure about manga and anime thread
God, I hope the comics industry in America finally fucking collapses. Marvel should be a start, and the only remaining thing from it would be the MCU, which the one thing from that brand people really truly care about. Sad about DC, but they will fall too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:46:26 No.94804162 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804010
>With bad art
God that might have been the only bit that legitmedly pissed me off.

Danijel Zezelj's art is fucking beautiful.

His issue on Scalped was fucking amazing and they complain about how his food doesn't look appealing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:46:28 No.94804163 Report

Quoted By:

>>94798497
Not same anon but problem with american dubs is that most of VA that dub anime are hacks. All those good ones left long time ago to vidya or cartoons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:48:55 No.94804190 Report

Quoted By:

>>94798872
Dude, this place will always be weeaboos talking about their favorite western cartoons and comics

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:49:39 No.94804205 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804119
>b-but Castlevania, Samurai Jack!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:50:11 No.94804213 Report

Quoted By:

>>94798872
Doesn't /co/ love SU for some reason? And doesn't SU makes LOL so many references to anime because it's made by weebs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:51:40 No.94804235 Report

Quoted By:

>>94800299
Nice try but SOL is fucking great genre. It is your problem that you think SOL is only CGDCT shit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:52:05 No.94804241 Report

Quoted By:

>>94795217
THE BEST

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:53:02 No.94804255 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804105
But you said
>Only like 10% of manga go on any longer than a few years, most hardly making it 2 volumes
You can only name two manga under 5 (which I've never heard of).

So the point of '99% of manga worth reading goes on forever and forever' isn't disproved... at all. "Wrongest statement in the entire thread", I'm SURE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:53:42 No.94804266 Report

Quoted By: >>94804313 >>94804405 >>94804482

>So many /a/ pedophiles ITT

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:53:46 No.94804267 Report

Quoted By:

>>94800299
Traitors should leave 4chan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:53:46 No.94804268 Report

Quoted By:

>>94801117
You know there is monthly manga too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:55:52 No.94804308 Report

Quoted By:

>>94801117
It really is disappointing isn't it? Even though I do prefer colored works.

I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the price of printing in color too, but I can't remember where I read that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:56:10 No.94804313 Report

Quoted By: >>94804357

>>94804266
Nothing wrong with that.
/co/ has enlightened loli lovers too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:57:32 No.94804344 Report

Quoted By:

>>94802641
That is why i learned japanese. Now i am superior to dubfags and EOPs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:57:54 No.94804352 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804161
But you're the one who made those posts, shouldn't you work on your insecurity toward anime and manga instead of blaming /co/ for it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:58:13 No.94804357 Report

Quoted By: >>94804381 >>94804424

>>94804313
I hope you're shitposting.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 07:59:54 No.94804381 Report

Quoted By: >>94804401

>>94804357
Don't lie to me, I've seen the Gravity Falls and Inspector Gadget threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 08:00:14 No.94804386 Report

Quoted By:

>>94799034
I don't believe that in the slightest. Take the latest issue of Captain America: Steve Rogers it's literally just him having small conversations with a few people and him sitting in his room. That's it. Why? Because it's a tie-in to a crossover event. They can't move the plot along because the writer isn't supposed to. His job for this issue is to add "filler" that has no real value to the overall plot. The editorial staff dictates almost everything that goes on in continuity and when. Mangakas don't have that kind of editorial baggage to deal with. Their editors are only concerned with their individual stories and their stories alone. Take four weekly chapters of MHA and compare it to 1 monthly issue of any marvel book that came out that same month. With mangas you usually trade visual quality (no color, magazine-only single chapters) in exchange for faster plot progression. If you honestly believe their pacing are the same then you're just fooling yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 08:01:03 No.94804401 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804381
I hide them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 08:01:31 No.94804405 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804266
You know that /co/ likes alot japanese stuff too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 08:03:04 No.94804424 Report

Quoted By:

>>94804357
>newfag thinks that /co/ isnt full of lolicons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 08:06:59 No.94804482 Report

Quoted By: >>94805282

>>94804266
Why is Japan full of pedos? Some people blame the 2 nukes for their degeneracy.
Others claim that 2 nukes were not enough to fix their sick minds. Is this a paradox?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 08:24:59 No.94804688 Report

Quoted By: >>94804775

>>94795035
Dungeon Meshi
Spirit Circle (or Hoshi no Samidare, either one is pretty solid, although wildly different)
Rough Sketch Senpai
Boku no Hero Academia/My Hero Academia

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 08:33:47 No.94804775 Report

Quoted By: >>94805077

>>94804688
>People still like Academia
??

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 09:10:39 No.94805077 Report

Quoted By: >>94805116

>>94804775
It's the most popular anime this season so yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 09:16:33 No.94805116 Report

Quoted By: >>94805362

>>94805077
>Best thing Nippon has to offer this season is retarded shounen capeshit
I bet you like OPM too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 09:44:13 No.94805282 Report

Quoted By: >>94805342

>>94804482
They just like young women, nothing wrong with that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 09:52:54 No.94805342 Report

Quoted By:

>>94805282
Define young

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 09:54:18 No.94805355 Report

Quoted By: >>94805751

>>94794699
>>94794780
>Nearly more than half of Doujin artists in Japan are women
And they draw disgusting gay porn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 09:55:24 No.94805362 Report

Quoted By: >>94805551

>>94805116
You're right, I do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 10:24:52 No.94805551 Report

Quoted By: >>94805630

>>94805362
My sincere condolences then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 10:37:12 No.94805630 Report

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>>94805551
I'd love to know what you consider to be better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Aug 2017 11:01:42 No.94805751 Report

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>>94805355
Not all, anon. Alot them do other stuff too

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