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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 21:23:19 2017 No.93970099 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>93970133 >>93970161 >>93970270 >>93970310 >>93970405 >>93970966 >>93971550

Is Superman the modern day Hawkman in terms of conflicting and confusing history? Superman Rebirth did a real mess to it.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:24:48 No.93970133 Report

Quoted By: >>93971188 >>93972296 >>93974530

>>93970099
if they made him an Egyptian pharoah as well as an alien maybe

Supes still has a LONG way to go before reaching Hawkman levels of confusing

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:26:12 No.93970161 Report

Quoted By: >>93970271 >>93970343

>>93970099
Kinda. I mean the point of the Rebirth stuff was to say "Okay this is how it is now" but it's still kind of confusing as to exactly what it is.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:31:34 No.93970270 Report

Quoted By: >>93970314

>>93970099
With all the reboots and retcons, pretty much every DC character is now at the level of Hawkman

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:31:37 No.93970271 Report

Quoted By: >>93970925 >>93971065 >>93974374

>>93970161
They literally laid it out for you retards. Superman has Secret Origins as his origin except his parents die on his prom night. He then has Post-Crisis history up until Jon is born. When Jon is born he and Lois live off the grid raising Jon until they come back.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:33:35 No.93970310 Report

Quoted By: >>93970423 >>93970714

>>93970099
No because he actually has an origin that's easy to grasp. His chronology is fucked but then so is modern day Batman's. How the fuck did Bruce squeeze 4-5 Robins into 10 or less years? How did Kyle get his ring? How did Blackest Night happen?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:33:56 No.93970314 Report

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>>93970270
that's because they never do a proper reboot

it's always a semi-reboot which is more confusing than not rebooting at all

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:35:21 No.93970343 Report

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>>93970161
It isn't that confusing when you remember Manhattan stole eight years from the timeline.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:38:29 No.93970405 Report

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>>93970099
>Superman Rebirth did a real mess to it.

Really? You find Rebirth confusing?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:39:13 No.93970423 Report

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>>93970310
Yeah. Most 2005 to up comics never happened.

Jurgens also said some nu52 villians still exist, like Morrison Zod and Nu52 luthor. Rest is pre flashpoint.

Supergirl, Kon el don't exist but every other cast member and other supernan legacies do.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:39:56 No.93970435 Report

Quoted By: >>93974236

I don't get everyone's problem with Hawkman. Egyptian prince with an anti-gravity belt made from alien metal who is reincarnated every time he dies. There.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:41:10 No.93970458 Report

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>>93970423
More what exists.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:44:50 No.93970544 Report

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>>93970458
Superms fling with wonder woman never existed. idenitity never leaked.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:46:31 No.93970575 Report

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>>93970544

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:52:34 No.93970714 Report

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>>93970310
everything except GL and Batman was rebooted because Johns and Morrison were in the middle of their run

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:53:12 No.93970725 Report

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>>93970575
So cyborg superman is no longer Kara's dad?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 21:54:33 No.93970749 Report

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>>93970725
There are two Cyborg Supermans, one is still Kara's dad, the other one is Henshaw

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:00:25 No.93970862 Report

Quoted By: >>93970993

>>93970725
There's two. Like Two Maximas.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:00:31 No.93970864 Report

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>>93970749
why is this shit still allowed?
what is an editor's function even

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:01:35 No.93970887 Report

Quoted By: >>93970915 >>93970926 >>93971179 >>93973722 >>93974398

>>93970749
So I guess there's two Steels as well, both coincidentally unrelated?

This is dumb. Comics are dumb.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:03:14 No.93970915 Report

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>>93970887
You're dumb.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:03:36 No.93970925 Report

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>>93970271
That's retarded.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:03:40 No.93970926 Report

Quoted By: >>93970984 >>93971010

>>93970887
No stupid. Old steel overridden nu52.

Causal are dumbs

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:04:20 No.93970939 Report

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supper god bitch is a sham of a story line.
life an incested family tree.
hate supper man.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:05:47 No.93970966 Report

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>>93970099
Maybe if you're retarded.
It's really not hard to follow and understand.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:06:40 No.93970984 Report

Quoted By: >>93971091

>>93970926
Jon being born. Look at this this way, most nu52 comics didn't happen but the costumes and villians fights did.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:06:54 No.93970993 Report

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>>93970862
It's nice that the Pre-Flashpoint costume is canon again.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:07:34 No.93971010 Report

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>>93970926
Unfortunate. Nusteel was cooler.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:10:17 No.93971065 Report

Quoted By: >>93971120 >>93971437 >>93974776

>>93970271
Explain how Lana got her powers, met a Lois that also got powers but eventually died and started haunting Lana. Or Lex's reason for becoming Superman in honor of his bro Superman after his death.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:11:49 No.93971091 Report

Quoted By: >>93971102

>>93970984

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:12:32 No.93971102 Report

Quoted By: >>93971243

>>93971091
yeah, last issue basically runs down the current continuity for Superman

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:13:29 No.93971120 Report

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>>93971065
Story yet to be told.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:17:03 No.93971179 Report

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>>93970864
Because Cyborg Superman is a name that can be used for different characters, like how we have straight Maxima and lesbian Maxima now.
I bet they will probably bring back Louise as Killer Frost and let Caitlin be just Frost

>>93970887
John Henry is still slipping Lana the D, so I guess there are still one male Steel. Natasha is active though, so there is that

>This is dumb. Comics are dumb
Well, yes, that's why it's fun nigga

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:17:31 No.93971188 Report

Quoted By: >>93971246 >>93971358

>>93970133

Isn't the latest retcon from Metal that Hawkman and Hawkgirl havr actually been reincarnating as long as humanity has been around, and had their pre-Egyptian incarnations memories stolen?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:20:23 No.93971243 Report

Quoted By: >>93971457

>>93971102
Plus Jurgens said pre crisis stuff happen too. It's the ultimate superman.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:20:45 No.93971246 Report

Quoted By: >>93971284

>>93971188
are you asking us or telling us?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:22:38 No.93971284 Report

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>>93971246

..I don't even know anymore

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:26:06 No.93971358 Report

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>>93971188
No. It's the Egyptians hawks from earth 2 coming back to life. But they wore the Kuberts costume since day one. They also the nu52 hawks

Only one set being reborn. Carter is katar now.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:29:00 No.93971415 Report

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>>93970925
So are you. Learn to accept that comics don't make sense.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:30:09 No.93971437 Report

Quoted By: >>93971475

>>93971065
Lex became Superman to honor his sister not Superman. You clearly don't read the things you bitch about.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:31:12 No.93971457 Report

Quoted By: >>93971569

>>93971243
I want Lex to become a space pirate and Superman tracking him down to happen again.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:32:02 No.93971475 Report

Quoted By: >>93971509

>>93971437
Lex started Lexcorp in order of his sister. He became Superman to honor his dead best friend.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:33:47 No.93971509 Report

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>>93971475
No, it's now Lex became supes because of apocalypse myth. Darksied thrones stuff.

And was pre rebirth.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:36:09 No.93971550 Report

Quoted By: >>93971734 >>93971815

>>93970099
The New 52 in general convoluted a fuck ton of things.

They should have 100% wiped the slate clean, but Geoff Johns whined like a bitch and they didn't want to fuck with the cash-cow that was Grant Morrison, so here we are.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:37:09 No.93971569 Report

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>>93971457
Everything mostly exists.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:45:45 No.93971734 Report

Quoted By: >>93971815

>>93971550
Even if they rebooted completely we'd still be in a similar situation. The movie synergy would carry them only so long before writers would start getting sick of it.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 22:49:10 No.93971815 Report

Quoted By: >>93972256

>>93971550
>>93971734

They rebooted for sales. Plus Didio wanted to take out the trash.

Pre flashpoint DC is the lowest selling Modern DC ever.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 23:15:33 No.93972256 Report

Quoted By: >>93972338

>>93971815

Yeah they didn't need a half assed reboot to fix it. Especially as they had literally just got their continuity to a coherent place post all the fucking Crises. Then they just threw it out of the window for a shit show from 90s has-beens & rejects. Thank fuck Johns managed to fix things yet again with Rebirth.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 23:17:30 No.93972296 Report

Quoted By: >>93972338

>>93970133
Still not as complicated as Donna Troy.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jul 2017 23:19:47 No.93972338 Report

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>>93972256
>>93972296
Nope.

Reboot equal sales. Pre flashpoint was a ugly mess.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 00:28:09 No.93973722 Report

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>>93970887
Cape comics are dumb, yes. That's what happens when you have a bloated and inconsistent decades old continuity that's constantly being rebooted and contradicted.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 00:31:10 No.93973792 Report

Quoted By: >>93973871

It's not that complicated beyond just saying that both New 52 Superman and Pre New 52 Superman were alt timeline versions of each other who when both present in the same universe had to inevitably fuse to avoid a paradox.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 00:35:08 No.93973868 Report

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there's a reason I decided the least confusing path to take is to treat it as if DC hadn't published anything between Flashpoint's end and Rebirth happening, minus a couple exceptions

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 00:35:19 No.93973871 Report

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>>93973792
I mean see this makes more sense when you stop viewing time as linear

Pre new 52 Superman is Superman from point X in time who was taken to a pocket dimension and avoided the reboot waves

New 52 Superman is the same Superman from point X-5 minutes in time when his universe got rewritten by the reboot.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 00:52:35 No.93974236 Report

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>>93970435
He's also an alien space cop.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 00:58:13 No.93974350 Report

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What is different about Rebirth compared to n52?

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 00:59:30 No.93974374 Report

Quoted By: >>93974554 >>93974634

>>93970271
>They literally laid it out for you retards. Superman has Secret Origins as his origin except his parents die on his prom night. He then has Post-Crisis history up until Jon is born. When Jon is born he and Lois live off the grid raising Jon until they come back.

So a weird fusion of his New52 childhood and his Post-Crisis adulthood

Well alright

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 01:00:57 No.93974398 Report

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>>93970887

No, Cyzor-El is a Brainiac-construct. Hank Henshaw is his own thing, but also a Cyborg Superman.

One is the monster responsible for Coast City. The other is the tragic villain who was actually kind of a cunt in life.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 01:08:50 No.93974530 Report

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>>93970133
All that shit was dropped by johns, to get even more streamlined for new 52. Just a alien cop.

New one is Egyptian man gets reborn with nth metal alien thanagar science, was many people. Then jsa hawkman dies becomes 52 Katar then dies again.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 01:10:00 No.93974554 Report

Quoted By: >>93974634

>>93974374
Basically this

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 01:14:05 No.93974634 Report

Quoted By: >>93975048

>>93974374
>>93974554

His childhood shown is Geoffs with no parents.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 01:21:52 No.93974776 Report

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>>93971065
After flashpoint superman got split into two people - sort of like superman red and blue but without the colors-
so there was superbro and superdad....
(lois also got split)
When superbro died that half of the powers went to one half of lois and lana....
.....
Later the split part of superman returns to superdad..

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Anonymous Wed 19 Jul 2017 01:37:13 No.93975048 Report

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>>93974634

"Parents died after prom" implies his parents were still murdered by Satan though, like his Morrison Nu52 childhood

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