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Superman: American Alien Opinions

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 03:16:30 2017 No.93128208 View Reply Original Report

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So what did you guys think of Landis' American Alien? I thought it was decent, but I was shocked to hear some think this is one of the best Superman stories EVER. It's certainly Landis' best comics work, but I don't even think it's that good. Landis' dialogue in general just sucks dick. Thoughts?

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 03:17:41 No.93128245 Report

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Its okay, I did like how he made Pete kinda relevant again.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 03:27:01 No.93128466 Report

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I think it's pretty darn good to be honest. My brother claims it to be the absolute best Superman origin story which I think is bullshit when Birthright and Secret Origin exist.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 03:32:35 No.93128578 Report

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>>93128466
Birthright is better, I'd agree. My favorite thing about both it and American Alien is that it shows Clark as college educated, which means that he knew he wanted to be a journalist and cares about it WAY before he got to Metropolis.

None of the others do that, they always make it out like Perry is just willing to hire homeless randos with no resume.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 03:33:01 No.93128589 Report

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It's shit and misses the point of what makes Superman comic good.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 03:40:07 No.93128826 Report

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>>93128589
>misses the point of what makes Superman comic good

How so?

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 03:50:25 No.93129122 Report

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>>93128208
It's generally liked by people who don't get the point of Superman and just like to read Peter Parker.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 04:13:29 No.93129871 Report

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>>93128826
You don't need to do what AA did to make a good/great Superman comic and what it did doesn't really make for a good/great Superman comic.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 04:21:06 No.93130139 Report

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>>93128208
I like it but didn't like the ending

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 04:30:19 No.93130435 Report

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As you said, the dialogue sucks, which is strange considering Landis is a screenwriter. It's really just a decent series of Superman vignettes showcasing different periods of growth for him. It doesn't do anything particularly innovative. Idk, it's just meh for me

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 04:52:38 No.93131219 Report

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No memeing, some of the most overrated trash DC has put out in recent years. The concept for each issue is fine, and then Landis just completely flops and can't deliver

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 05:08:54 No.93131776 Report

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>>93131219
Very much this. Pretty much every thing Max does is "Hey, that's a good idea" followed up with asinine realization of the idea. The guy should maybe just be a story guy, not the script guy

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 05:35:07 No.93132609 Report

Quoted By: >>93133433 >>93137208

>Landis
This Landis?
Thought he hated superman.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 05:37:14 No.93132684 Report

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I liked it. I know it's not super popular in the Superman fandom due to kinda making him more green and unsure of himself, but I liked an alternate take on a fresh Supes before he really steps into the role

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:00:26 No.93133272 Report

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>>93128466
Birthright and secret origin are both shit though.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:07:40 No.93133433 Report

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>>93132609
Yeah, that Landis. His movies sucks but American Alien was good.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:10:09 No.93133480 Report

Quoted By: >>93133822 >>93134371 >>93135136 >>93135243 >>93137004 >>93139744

I think it's detrimental to the reputation of comic books when this miniseries is considered one of the best stories involving the medium's most enduring character. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, even quite good, but it is really OK in the grand scheme of literature.

You're thinking "Why is he comparing it to literature? it's a Superman comic?". The problem for me is that people who read novels and such will be recommended this, and shy away from comics as a whole

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:16:34 No.93133612 Report

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>>93128208
Bad start with young clark burning the arms of a random thug and other violence.
After that I enjoyed it more, but like a bad first impression I was always pessimistic. But it still averages out to okay.
Would buy trade, but mostly if it was on sale of some kind.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:27:22 No.93133822 Report

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>>93133480
So you're bitter at a capeshit story because your circle of friends is pretentious psuedointellectuals who aren't going to like capeshit anyway.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:31:25 No.93133922 Report

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>>93133822
Not bitter at all. I enjoyed the comic, although I have criticisms. My problem is more that people say this is one of the best Superman stories ever. For American Alien to hold that status, by any literary standard, is not a good reflection on comics as a whole. The thing is, I want people to read comics. But even to a semi-well read person, this books' writing is subpar, which would deter them from reading other comics.

Idk why you're bringing up my circle of friends, I'm referring more to the comic book layman

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:44:36 No.93134187 Report

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It reads like something from fanfiction.net. Screen writers have proven to be the worst writers at making the jump.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:47:07 No.93134223 Report

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>>93128466
>>93133272
How is Secret origin is shit? It's literally best Superman origin and the most iconic one.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:51:06 No.93134291 Report

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>>93128208
>Landis' dialogue in general just sucks dick.

agreed. biggest glaring fault
the story isn't terrible, it's not the best superman story, overall pretty mediocre imo.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 06:55:03 No.93134371 Report

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>>93133480
it's actually by far not one of the best comics overall or even just superman comics. it's a whatever story/take on the character with poor dialogue.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:00:10 No.93134448 Report

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>>93134223
Borrows too much from Donner, makes the same mistake every Superman origin except Birthright has: We get to see Smallville High and moving to Metropolis, but not the in-between.

The genius of Birthright (which American Alien tries to ape and at least partially succeeds at) is that post-graduation is actually the most important part of the origin in terms of *character motivation*. That's when the character has the most agency, it's the point where the young adult decides what he wants to do with his life.

Other origins leave it off-fucking-screen. They just skip ahead to him moving to Metropolis, his mind made up and his costume already sewn.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:04:50 No.93134541 Report

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Reddit praises the shit out of this story, and I have no idea why. Could be because anytime someone mentions Landis he jumps into the thread and everyone starts sucking his dick

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:05:30 No.93134560 Report

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>>93134448
>Borrows too much from Donner
And it's a bad thing, because?...
>post-graduation is actually the most important part of the origin in terms of *character motivation*
He already have motivation from his parents. No need to expand it.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:08:00 No.93134600 Report

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>>93134560
>And it's a bad thing, because?...

Donner was very silver age cheese.

Also personally I prefer Clark to catch a plane in his debut, not a helicopter falling lamely off a roof.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:12:24 No.93134666 Report

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>>93134600
I don't see how SO is "very silver age" Only costume maybe.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:22:21 No.93134814 Report

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>>93134666
SO isn't so bad because it only borrows from Donner as opposed to BEING Donner, it's just that people need to let a movie from the 70's with 70's sensibilities go instead of constantly calling back to it.

Honestly, I don't like any of the live action Superman films. "Muh" Superman origin is the S:TAS pilot 3-parter, which is Byrne without the retarded parts.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:28:23 No.93134930 Report

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>>93134814
Well, Donner's Superman is maybe was good, but outdated. I don't even want to start about MoS. So, yeah, there are no good Superman movies to watch nowdays. I'd love to see STAS/SO mixed version of best parts. But, well, we need WB to stop being greedy retards.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:32:03 No.93134994 Report

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Personally, I liked it. Although I think a lot of the complaints in this thread are valid takes, there is also a fair dose of not muh. It's an interesting Clark Kent story and has appeal to people who are dismissive of Superman because they think he's too perfect to be interesting.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:43:54 No.93135136 Report

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>>93133480
>entry level book recommended as entry level reading material
I see nothing wrong with this. I don't tell everyone who asks me for comic recommendations to jump straight into Morrison's weirdest shit or try to parse From Hell going in cold. Not everyone needs a cerebral reading experience full of intense thematic material and tailor-made for discussion of the medium. Most people that are looking for comic recommendations are like "I want to read a good Superman comic," and so maybe you recommend them this or Birthright or All-Star or whatever. Nothing wrong with that.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:53:09 No.93135243 Report

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>>93133480
Meh, long-time running comics are some of the worst.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:55:35 No.93135269 Report

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>>93135136
There's a rise of pretentious "scholarly" behavior on this board. I blame /tv/ posters, or an attempt to emulate /tv/, because it's the comics equivalent of the stereotypical film school type who wants to watch or make black and white shorts about a man frying eggs and smoking.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 07:59:18 No.93135294 Report

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>>93135269

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 11:38:37 No.93137004 Report

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>>93133480
Not even the top 10 of Superman comic let alone one of the best text the medium has to offer.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 11:41:20 No.93137023 Report

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For All Seasons is the best

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 11:49:51 No.93137077 Report

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>>93128208
It confirmed my idea that Superman fans are easily impressed

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:05:11 No.93137187 Report

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>>93129871
How vague

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:06:49 No.93137208 Report

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>>93133433
Chronicle was bretty gud
>>93132609
He actually really loves Superman. Watch "regarding Clark"

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:14:07 No.93137278 Report

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>>93137208
>He actually really loves Superman. Watch "regarding Clark"
just like most shitty people

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:19:14 No.93137318 Report

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>>93137187
The work assumes that for Superman to be interesting he needs to relatable and human, that we need to show mundanity in the life of this alien to give a depth to character and giving viewers something to latch on to. By doing this you are stripping Superman of the universality. Greats of the Superman don't rely on this cheap narrative crux, they're more concerned about telling a good Superman story than worrying about whether the people who don't want to like Superman will like the story we're writing or not.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:25:13 No.93137371 Report

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>>93135269
/tv/ posters can't even string a sentence together and are the ones calling American Alien a classic because it's the first thing they picked up after they realized how much they enjoyed role playing about liking DC movies.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:32:47 No.93137438 Report

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>>93135269
>There's a rise of pretentious "scholarly" behavior on this board.
What do you mean by this? That people are looking at works more critically or that they understand that hierarchy of the comic text is a valid characteristic that this medium provides? Both are true.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:34:32 No.93137454 Report

Quoted By: >>93137589

>>93128466
he's half right.

This is the best CLARK KENT origin story

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:38:06 No.93137486 Report

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>>93128208
It was tryhard version to make Superman more "relatable", you can see it steams from insecurity and being mad because "other people" don't like Superman. It's on the same vein as his other Superman celebrated story here on /co/.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:48:55 No.93137589 Report

Quoted By: >>93137646

>>93137454
That's how it was pitched.
>this isn't a story of how Clark Kent became Superman
>this is a story of how Clark Kent became Clark kent

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:53:53 No.93137646 Report

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>>93137589
and for that, it works great.

The only problem I have with it, it's how Clark switches from wanting to be a Veterinary to a Journalist. There were no hints of any interest toward journalism in the previous issues.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 12:54:48 No.93137658 Report

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>>93128208
Edgy, overrated piece of garbage.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 13:01:42 No.93137745 Report

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>>93128208
I think it's cute.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 13:02:25 No.93137760 Report

Quoted By: >>93137908

the only panels I ever see posted about this comic is the ones were Clark throws Deathstroke out of the boat and the one where he chokes Batman so I just assumed it was the usual overcompensating Superman comic

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 13:03:52 No.93137784 Report

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>>93128208
Overrated. Just like Superman: Unchained.

First issue was ok, second was hilariously terrible, third just had Superman getting drunk and fucking Cheetah because Ladis is a hack that wanted to make his crack ship real

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 13:07:04 No.93137831 Report

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>>93137745

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 13:08:06 No.93137846 Report

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>>93137831

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 13:13:03 No.93137908 Report

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>>93137760
Nah, it's pretty lighthearted.
>>93137745

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 14:01:44 No.93138405 Report

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>>93134600
>Donner was very silver age cheese.
No he wasn't, he was basically the opposite, going against the silver age style and doing a more golden age with silver age powers.

The silver age was basically cartoon slapstick.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 14:17:58 No.93138573 Report

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>>93134223
Secret origins is not a good story and was just added with the purpose of making a few retcons.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 14:36:01 No.93138744 Report

Quoted By: >>93139448

>>93128208
didn´t read it
looked like more sjw crap so I stayed as far as possible away from it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:36:23 No.93139397 Report

Quoted By: >>93139462

>>93137077
I know right? This is decent but boy, they're like hungry dogs that'll be elated at a half-eaten drumstick thrown at them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:37:41 No.93139417 Report

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>>93137208
Chronicle was pretty good, but
a) Co-written by Josh Trank, and his direction really made that movie
b)when you look at the script alone, you realize how bad it actually is and how much the acting and directing make up for it
c)every other movie of his has been terrible

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:39:56 No.93139448 Report

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>>93137077
>>93138744

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:40:59 No.93139460 Report

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>>93137077
It's evident by all the mediocre shit that Superman fans consider good. Johns and Tomasi are considered greatest writers of the medium by Superman fans. They even like cringey shit like action comics #775.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:41:06 No.93139462 Report

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:42:09 No.93139478 Report

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>>93139460

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:42:20 No.93139480 Report

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>>93139448
Except is true, just have some random panel of Clark being nice and is "OMG COMIC OF THE YEAR! PAGE OF THE DECADE!" for people here

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:56:57 No.93139712 Report

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>>93139480
bitch please, that never happened

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:57:43 No.93139717 Report

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>>93137658
>Edgy
You didn't read it.
>>93137745
>>93137831

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:59:08 No.93139738 Report

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>>93139712
>that never happened
literally half the storytimes since rebirth have been like that

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 15:59:30 No.93139744 Report

Quoted By: >>93139912

>>93133480
Who the fuck considers this that good?

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 16:01:52 No.93139775 Report

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>>93134600
>Silver Age cheese
Hahaha fucking casual. Read a comic.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jun 2017 16:10:36 No.93139912 Report

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>>93139744
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