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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 01:33:11 2017 No.91285091 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>91286143 >>91286314 >>91286714 >>91287816 >>91287916 >>91289713 >>91292353 >>91294904 >>91294946

As a guy who likes every Superman movie, including MoS but excluding Superman 3 and 4 outside of Reeves' performance, I like this movie, and wouldn't have minded a sequel.

This had a ton of not muh stuff in it too though, like Superboy. Does /co/ hate it or what?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 01:51:01 No.91285536 Report

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shameless self bump

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 01:57:58 No.91285720 Report

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Shameless self bump again.

I notice that Superman Returns discussion has died out since MoS came out and became the new target of fanboy ire.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:04:24 No.91285900 Report

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Nothing?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:07:51 No.91285991 Report

Quoted By: >>91289328

I remember liking it when I first saw it, but I literally have not seen it since it came out, and have no desire to. Is it REALLY worth another look?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:10:27 No.91286079 Report

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I actually liked Lex.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:12:30 No.91286129 Report

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Kevin Spacey was a good Lex.

But fuck most of the movie being "muh Lois doesn't love me."

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:12:38 No.91286137 Report

Quoted By: >>91286201 >>91286268 >>91286670 >>91287765 >>91294998

>>91286079
Eisenberg>Spacey>>>>>>>Hackman

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:12:58 No.91286143 Report

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>>91285091
>including MoS but excluding Superman 3 and 4 outside of Reeves' performance
Superman 3 is way better than this one to be honest

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:14:58 No.91286201 Report

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>>91286137
Agreed, Spacey's motive still sucked but his proformance was better then Hackman.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:16:00 No.91286229 Report

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>>91286143
Watch it again. Superman 3 is garbage with a garbage script.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:17:49 No.91286268 Report

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>>91286137
Eisenberg is better than nobody. Stop.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:19:16 No.91286314 Report

Quoted By: >>91286492 >>91289667

>>91285091
>>91285536
>>91285720
>>91285900
Have you tried /tv/?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:19:57 No.91286327 Report

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>>91286143
I was gonna say that returns is better but you know what..that clark vs superman scene in 3 is better than all of returns so..yea, ill agree with you. Also that chick becoming a robolady was creepy as shit so..yea 3 wins.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:24:14 No.91286440 Report

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>>91286268
Eisenberg is a good actor and gave good performance.

He was exactly like comic Lex. The sole difference was that he didn't mask his all consuming hatred of Supes with a Gentlemen's mask.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:26:11 No.91286492 Report

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>>91286314
No.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:32:35 No.91286639 Report

Quoted By: >>91286700 >>91292137

>>91286440
Eisenberg being a good actor is..questionable.

His lex wasnt very good. I didnt like the movies take on his daddy issues. Smallville did that better. Jar of piss doesnt seem like a very Lex thing to do. Even old silverage zany lex wouldnt get a jar of piss.

Hanging painting upside down seems more autistic and pretentious than clever or deep.
Really, this lex seemed more autistic and spastic than any interpretation of lex. Even hammy lex played by hackman and spacey arent my ideal vision of lex but they still feel like lex because like it or not, the gentlemen mask is a part of lex. That duality is as important as clark and superman. EisenLex was just a spaz everywhere he went, no duality. I did not enjoy it. Its not a case of not muh, it was just poor execution and poor writing.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:33:39 No.91286670 Report

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>>91286137
>Eisenberg being better than Hackman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD0pqDOAtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckPcy0_twh4
Terrible taste

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:34:33 No.91286700 Report

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>>91286639
>ts not a case of not muh, it was just poor execution and poor writing.
No.
The execution was good, and the writing was at the very least better than Returns or the later Hackman Lex appearances.

It IS not muh on your part.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:35:06 No.91286714 Report

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>>91285091
I unironically love Superman 3.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:35:34 No.91286727 Report

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>>91286670
I fucking hate his Lex.
It's so bland and boring in its attempt to be camp.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:48:00 No.91287016 Report

Quoted By: >>91287066 >>91290121

>>91286700
Nah. Eisenlex is weak. MoS superman wasnt "muh superman " but it was done well so i accepted the changes, and it got somethings right.
Pretty much all superhero movies take liberties, thats expected. But some get things wrong and create a character who was probably better off being an original character since they decided to just go in a whole other direction with no remnants of the original character.

His name is Lex and that was good enough for you, I'll leave it at this. You like eisenlex. And you have shit taste. So. Good for you man.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 02:49:51 No.91287066 Report

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>>91287016
>His name is Lex and that was good enough for you
Reductionism is a boring meme.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 03:21:01 No.91287765 Report

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>>91286137
WRONG!

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 03:23:29 No.91287816 Report

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>>91285091
What is Ray doing in that Superman Halloween costume? That loon!

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 03:28:10 No.91287916 Report

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>>91285091
The actors were all stellar, especially Routh and Spacey IMO, but the movie was kinda... boring? I guess it was a sequel to the Donnerverse (though I've never seen 4 so I don't know how it all connects) but it felt like none of the characters had progressed since then and it felt kinda stale all in all. I would still give it a nice 7.5/10 though.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:32:04 No.91289285 Report

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>>91286700
Nah man, you're just wrong. The execution and writing were shit. Just because Hackman's later performances were so ridiculous and Spacey did a weak Hackman impression doesn't make Eisenlex good. Slightly less stinky shit is still shit.

The difference, though, is that later Hackman was intentionally played for laughs, and Spacey was doing a weird mix between Hacklex and serious. Eisenlex was supposed to be deadly serious which is why he came across so retarded.

Actually that's at the core of many of BvS's problems: it was so joylessly self-serious that it became comedy.

I'm sorry you have such shit taste. I hope you get the help you need.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:34:04 No.91289328 Report

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>>91285991
No. >>91287916 is right: it had a great cast but was overall boring and forgettable. It's not bad and you'll probably enjoy it if you rewatch it, especially compared to the valueless garbage that came after it, but it's not worth running out and finding again.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:37:16 No.91289394 Report

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>>91287916
>I guess it was a sequel to the Donnerverse (though I've never seen 4 so I don't know how it all connects)

It's a sequel to 2 that ignores 3 and 4.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:46:19 No.91289585 Report

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>>91289285
>it was so joylessly self-serious that it became comedy.
I disagree.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:47:47 No.91289617 Report

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>>91289285
>is that later Hackman was intentionally played for laughs

>it's shit on purpose
eh, you tried

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:50:02 No.91289667 Report

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>>91286314
why would you ever tell someone to go to /tv/?
That's just so mean.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:50:16 No.91289673 Report

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>>91289585
It's okay to be wrong. A lot of people are.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:52:08 No.91289713 Report

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>>91285091
Why do you 'like' superman? He's too OP and makes other hero's look like shit and he's a goody two shoes boyscout

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:52:16 No.91289720 Report

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>>91289617
I take it you've never actually seen Superman III or IV.

Go watch them, then come back, and try thinking beforehand this time. "Played for laughs" doesn't mean "shit", it means those movies' take on Lex was very comedic.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:55:26 No.91289780 Report

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I don't remember Returns a whole lot other than Brandon Routh seeming like a great casting choice

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:57:41 No.91289813 Report

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>>91286229
Drunk Supes
Richard Pryor's villain was a truly mastermind's plan

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:58:06 No.91289816 Report

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I have no problem with Man of Murder, but Deadbeat Superdad is the worst thing to come out of any Superman movie ever.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 04:58:23 No.91289826 Report

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>>91289713
Snyder plz leave

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:00:30 No.91289863 Report

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>>91289826
Wut? Snyder's movies embraced the OP, goody two shoes aspect of Superman more than any other Superman movies.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:01:04 No.91289873 Report

Quoted By: >>91292164

>>91289813
Is there a "making of" story for Superman III somewhere? I'd love to know how that trainwreck came about. How and why did Pryor even get involved?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:02:06 No.91289894 Report

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>>91289863
You mean the Man of Murder whose Dad told him to let people die? Who glumly, reluctantly helps people as a sad Super-Jesus?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:04:30 No.91289937 Report

Quoted By: >>91290084 >>91290090 >>91290142

>>91289713
fuck it I'll take the bait kid
Superman has been misinterpreted from his original conception a great deal. The character at his core is a reporter first- indestructible space alien second. He's supposed to be spurred on by being an investigative reporter. That's fighting crime and corruption- sure the gangsters might have lasers- but they're still just gangsters. The victory isn't Superman slapping the shit out of someone like Goku does- it's Clark Kent exposing the bad guys in the papers.
Someone else wrote the post in the pic
>>91289720
Lex in superman III has basically the robbers from Home Alone for sidekicks

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samefag Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:12:41 No.91290084 Report

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>>91289937
I don't mean I don't like anything out of his space fantasy angle- it's just that the best stuff is in the original idea and not so much "Superman is the strongest and he can move whole planets!"

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:12:58 No.91290090 Report

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>>91289937
I actually wasnt baiting, that sounds pretty cool though I'd rather read something like that rather than op John Cena wrecking super villains for a joke

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:14:39 No.91290115 Report

Quoted By: >>91290175

>>91289894
>Snyder's Superman was forced to kill Zod to save a family and it was clearly an emotionally traumatizing event for him.
>Donner Superman killed Zod after he was already de-powered and smiled while doing it.

>Snyder's Superman spent his early years traveling the world anonymously saving people with no thanks or reward or public awareness. He only went public when a Kryptonian invasion forced him to.
>Donner's Superman spent 12 years hiding in the Fortress of Solitude learning to use his powers and helping no one until he'd completely mastered his powers.

>Snyder's Superman struggled with the right and wrong of using his powers, the political implications of his existence and whether or not he was making the world better.
>Donner's Superman just fought super-criminals and avoided doing anything that could be politically controversial. Then he gave up his powers so he could bang Lois.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:15:16 No.91290121 Report

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>>91287016
No he also had Lex's personal 1 track minded hate & vendetta for Superman that the Reeves-verse Lex never did.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:16:20 No.91290142 Report

Quoted By: >>91290386

>>91289937
>Lex in superman III
you haven't watched superman III do you?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:18:17 No.91290175 Report

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>>91290115
>to save a family
No, that specifically could have been averted otherways, he killed Zod because on a big picture level there was absolutely no way to contain him and throwing away the advantage of the headlock would gave been negligent on a genocidal level as Zod at full power is perfectly capable of killing the entire human race by hand.

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samefag Wed 05 Apr 2017 05:31:05 No.91290386 Report

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>>91290142
My mistake- my brain put this scenee in superman III for some reason.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:15:16 No.91291954 Report

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>>91286700
Why is "not muh" an invalid criticism of an adaptation? If the makers expect us to watch something because of its source material, then why shouldn't we expect it to have the things from the source material that made it appeal to us in the first place?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:20:33 No.91292027 Report

Quoted By: >>91292106

>>91289285
Eisenberg was actually my favorite part of BvS because he was fun at least

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:26:47 No.91292106 Report

Quoted By: >>91292138 >>91293040

>>91292027

>Eisenberg was actually my favorite part of BvS because he was fun at least

He was the only actor giving an actual performance in that entire movie.

Now granted, it was a performance that didn't fit with the rest of the movie at all, but at least someone got to do more then vomit fortune cookie platitudes and edgy one-liners in a dull whisper.

I still have no idea how he got such a shit performance out of Amy Adams. She did more reading a fucking book in Nocturnal Animals then her entire pointless saga in BvS.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:29:47 No.91292137 Report

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>>91286639
>Jar of piss doesnt seem like a very Lex thing to do

Oh, you mean taking the words of someone who crossed you and using them in ironic fashion as a personalized final fuck you to you five seconds before getting BTFO isn't classic petty Lex? Come on, broheim.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:29:51 No.91292138 Report

Quoted By: >>91292184

>>91292106
Eisenberg's actually a pretty good actor
he's probably the only one that gave genuine effort in the movie
and even though it doesn't necessarily "fit" it kinda encompasses Lex pretty well, a genius who is petty as fuck, takes things personally, plays around, pushes his luck and does some pretty dangerous things
he killed Superman in his first try, darn impressive if you ask me

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:31:55 No.91292164 Report

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>>91289873

Dunno, Richie needed money for coke?

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:34:54 No.91292184 Report

Quoted By: >>91292206 >>91292276 >>91292281

>>91292138

>Eisenberg's actually a pretty good actor

EVERYONE in BvS is at least a pretty good actor. I mean Cavill is clearly the weakest, but he's still shown a low-key charisma and charm in other stuff that could actually make for a great Superman if he actualyl got to play him.

>and even though it doesn't necessarily "fit" it kinda encompasses Lex pretty well, a genius who is petty as fuck, takes things personally, plays around, pushes his luck and does some pretty dangerous things

I can see the bare bones of a good idea with the character, updating him to a more modern idea of a genius billionare.

But the movie could never decide if he was some sort of keikaku master planner super-genius or a rage-choked lunatic who hated the concept of Superman to the point that he was willing to burn the world down in order to prove his point. Either version would have been fine, but he had different characterisation and motivation from scene-to-scene and it never worked. And even if that's somehow the point, it makes for a fairly non-compelling villain on a storytelling level.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:36:53 No.91292206 Report

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>>91292184
he was a mix of both though
like he ended up opening a can of worms even he can't contain

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:42:48 No.91292275 Report

Quoted By: >>91292304 >>91292359 >>91292928

>>91292206

>he was a mix of both though

There is no level by which the Doomsday plotline makes any sense for this version of the character.

I'm sorry, but no matter how many spicy meme infographs the Snyder fanboys use to try and defend this movie I see I will never accept that. It makes zero sense in the context of a character who spent almost two years orchestrating this grand plan of intricate moving parts would suddenly unleash a brainless monster kaiju on the city.

If it had been Metallo/Cyborg Superman/Bizarro then it would have made perfect sense, any one of those would have worked on a character level and would have even made the
Frankenstein/Prometheus metaphors more logical. Doomsday was literally the worst option the writers could have picked.

Whatever mild glimpses of intelligence and emotional content BvS had were utterly destroyed by the third act.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:42:50 No.91292276 Report

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>>91292184
>But the movie could never decide if he was some sort of keikaku master planner super-genius or a rage-choked lunatic who hated the concept of Superman to the point that he was willing to burn the world down in order to prove his point.

Why are you asserting like these are mutually exclusive? He's a keikaku master who has a raging hateboner for Superman. He can act civil and cool, because that's a facade, and occasionally slip his mask when he's losing his shit over Superman. IMO, you only see Lex's trueself couple of times: when he's at the rooftop with Lois and Superman, and when he's at his dad's den, after being denied his Kryptonite import license.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:43:26 No.91292281 Report

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>>91292184
>> Updating Lex to a more modern idea of a genius billionaire
We need to drop the idea of the greatest enemy of the most powerful being on the planet being a fat guy in a suit. We need a modernised mad scientist who doesn't make Superman look pathetic for somehow menacing him.

We need Luthor as DC's von Doom. Hell, Kirby created Doctor Doom to have an analogue of Silver Age Lex Luthor.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:45:15 No.91292304 Report

Quoted By: >>91292319 >>91292373 >>91292411 >>91292928

>>91292275
>There is no level by which the Doomsday plotline makes any sense for this version of the character.

Lex is arrogant and his hubris has always been his undoing. He thought he could control Doomsday because he created it and used his own blood. That's perfectly in character, because his hatered for Superman always blinds him from reason

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:46:09 No.91292319 Report

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>>91292304
stop making sense it hurts the narrative

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:49:29 No.91292353 Report

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>>91285091
Haven't seen it yet sorry.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:50:17 No.91292359 Report

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>>91292275
I'm not a Snyder fanboy I don't even like BvS but Lex was enjoyable for me
it made sense and actually felt more in character than anyone else in that godforsaken film
Lex basically Icarus'd it
thought he was so smart and got involved with something way above his paygrade, consequences ensued
it was kinda fun
Metallo/Cyborg/Bizarro would of been too logical/boring of a step
Doomsday was cool because hopefully we'll never get another Doomsday because you know they wouldn't have a fun Superboy
they smashed a bunch of shit stories together, taking out the majority of what made them fun/redeemable/epic when they came out
it was stupid 100%
Lex was cool though and the best part of the trash movie, my favorite part of the entire DCEU actually besides Enchantress being cute

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:51:22 No.91292373 Report

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>>91292304

> That's perfectly in character, because his hatered for Superman always blinds him from reason

You mean the reason he needed to orchestrate getting the Kryptonite contract?

And fuck that, we don't know shit about this version of Lex. You don't get to crate a version of the DC universe where Batman is a murdering husk of a person and Superman is an antisocial robot and then try and trade on the history of the characters.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 07:54:49 No.91292411 Report

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>>91292304
that makes complete sense to me idk why other people are getting so defensive

do you guys want Lex do be less of a threat?
he fucking killed Superman in his first try
wtf
that's the most efficient Lex ever

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 08:34:52 No.91292928 Report

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>>91292275
>>91292304
If you look at what Luthor was doing, he was trying to make Bizzaro. Every time Luthor has created Bizzaro in the comics, he was trying to clone a kryptonian he could control, but it went wrong. Same thing in the movie, he was trying to create a kryptonian he control, but Doomsday is what came out instead of Bizzaro.

But for some reason people looking for reasons to hate the movie act like Luthor was purposely creating a monster he knew would try to kill him even though that's not what happened.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 08:45:32 No.91293040 Report

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>>91292106
>She did more reading a fucking book in Nocturnal Animals then her entire pointless saga in BvS

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 12:03:39 No.91294904 Report

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>>91285091
I liked Superman 4. It has a B-movie charm, but it is true that the Superman brand deserved more than a B-movie.

3 is pretty bad, though. Yet it's the only one that ever gets played on TV around here. Richard Pryor was awful.

On topic, yeah Returns was pretty decent.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 12:08:08 No.91294946 Report

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>>91285091
I didn't care for it when it came out, but these days I remember on it not as poorly.

I mean it is still debatebly the worst Lex Luthor plan in all Superman movies,
And that includes trusting The Joker in the Superman/Batman movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 12:14:30 No.91294998 Report

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>>91286137
Rosenbaum>Shea>Spacey>Eisenberg>Hackman

i don't even think that Eisenberg was that bad, Hackman however is irredeemably bad

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Anonymous Wed 05 Apr 2017 12:20:32 No.91295049 Report

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>>91292281
>We need to drop the idea of the greatest enemy of the most powerful being on the planet being a fat guy in a suit.

Are you saying fat guys in suits can't be menacing? I'd say it works on a thematic level just as well as anything else does.

>We need a modernised mad scientist who doesn't make Superman look pathetic for somehow menacing him.

They did that, in the comics. But apparently some scrawny fuck with a tech startup is Snyder's idea of a "modern mad scientist", and that's what we have to deal with now.

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