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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 12:36:46 2016 No.86437635 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>86437671 >>86437765 >>86441613 >>86441639 >>86444171 >>86448501 >>86451334 >>86451479

>18,128

Extreme art was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 12:40:01 No.86437671 Report

Quoted By: >>86439030 >>86444471

>>86437635
Henderson is waiting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 12:42:27 No.86437696 Report

Quoted By: >>86437785 >>86437913 >>86438022 >>86441693

I still don't understand why someone thought putting XTREME art in [current year] comics was a good idea.

Are people really nostalgic for 90s comic art?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 12:47:39 No.86437765 Report

Quoted By: >>86437919 >>86437929 >>86438094 >>86438122

>>86437635
How would you guys improve the Thunderbolts, aside from changing the art style and taking Bucky off the team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 12:48:58 No.86437785 Report

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>>86437696
Even weirder is that the original '90s Thunderbolts was nothing like that. Busiek and Bagley were reacting against the EXTREME style of early '90s comics and doing a more classical Marvel comic. There was never any Liefeld-style art in it.

Tom Brevoort (who edited the original run and this one) has really lost a step.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 13:00:43 No.86437913 Report

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>>86437696
>Are people really nostalgic for 90s comic art?

Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 13:01:24 No.86437919 Report

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>>86437765
Change the inker and the colorist (who is great by himself but not on this art) and Malin's bad art turns to half-decent
If I wasn't a lazyass I'd post some pages from this run and prove that the b/w pages could not be so bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 13:02:24 No.86437929 Report

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>>86437765
Since it is obvious that Thunderbolts is the HYDRA Cap companion book, dive into the plot instead of just releasing filler issues.

While working for AIM, Songbird figures the Steve Rogers/HYDRA connection and he turns the entire superhero community against her. Berto can't help since AIM turned into a legitimate government agency so she joins with the Thunderbolts, maybe recruiting Radioactive Man or Ghost along the road.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 13:11:02 No.86438022 Report

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>>86437696
Because Brevoort is a retard. If they wanted nostalgia, Bagley is still working at Marvel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 13:14:13 No.86438056 Report

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>>86437913
those are a lot of shells.

reminds me of that cover with Daredevil doing the same.

Except, on this pic, the shells are not copy paste with photoshop!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 13:18:27 No.86438094 Report

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>>86437765
>Marvel wants to cash in MCU Bucky's popularity with fangirls
>put a terrible artist on the book that makes him look ugly
>don't realize that fangirls only care about Bucky when he's interacting with Cap
They didn't really think this through, huh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 13:21:16 No.86438122 Report

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>>86437765
Kick Jim Zub off, who is surprisingly shit on this.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 14:17:48 No.86439030 Report

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>>86437671

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 15:15:23 No.86440033 Report

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>>86438056
Classic Deodato

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 16:36:25 No.86441613 Report

Quoted By: >>86441866 >>86443805

>>86437635
The art sucks but I think it'd survive if the writing wasn't so shitty. UXM is selling alright and that has Land on art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 16:37:08 No.86441639 Report

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>>86437635
I hope this sold like a turd

fucking killed the bolts

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 16:39:36 No.86441693 Report

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>>86437696
well Suicide Squad is in the top 10 so yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 16:47:03 No.86441866 Report

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>>86441613

The biggest problem is the complete lack of character development and general direction. It should have concentrated on the fallout of Standoff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:19:10 No.86443709 Report

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>>86437913
Damn

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:21:59 No.86443767 Report

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>>86438056
>reminds me of that cover with Daredevil doing the same.
This one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:24:06 No.86443805 Report

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>>86441613
>UXM is selling alright and that has Land on art.
UXM with Land ALWAYS sells alright.
Be it Fraction, Gillen, or Bunn writing, Land will always deliver.
I'm glad Gillen's full volume was mostly Paychecko. Good shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:34:51 No.86444020 Report

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>>86438122

Has Zub ever produced anything that wasn't mediocre at the very best?

Wish the book would relaunch with Ewing and the fill-in artist at the helm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:42:26 No.86444171 Report

Quoted By: >>86444297

>>86437635
>No Speed Demon when they fought the Squadron Supreme.
Wasn't he the Whizzer in the Squad Sinister version beforehand?!

Bring back characters that actually wanted to be heroes from pass runs: Blizzard, Radioactiveman, Charcoal, Jolt, etc.

Either have Hawkeye lead the team or go back to MACH/Songbird leadership-field leader dynamic.

Have Zemo bring back Graviton to take down the Tbolts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:44:18 No.86444214 Report

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>>86437913
Only on visible foot...... 90s indeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:47:26 No.86444297 Report

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>>86444171

What reason would Zemo have to attack them, though, considering that he worked with Fixer, Moonstone and Atlas in Pleasant Hill just fine?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:55:46 No.86444471 Report

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>>86437671
Whats wrong with Henderson?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:00:46 No.86444593 Report

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>>86444471
Not who you replied to but I find her art to be repellent. I'm a fan of Ryan North's writing and I haven't been able to read more than a couple of panels posted in threads online because I genuinely can't look at the art.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:21:52 No.86444984 Report

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>>86438094
The artist really tries to give him flowy sexy hair, but the art really takes away from Bucky's good looks that he's become popular for.

The only reason I still read this book is because I know it's tied into the Hydra Cap plot and Bucky makes a cute dad. Kot's run with him was shit too. They're really failing on cashing in on his MCU bump. Here's to hoping he's handled better in the upcoming Black Widow comic.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:24:45 No.86445043 Report

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>>86444984
Brubaker shouda killed Bucky after making Nat forget about him.
Woulda been more dignified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:41:15 No.86445399 Report

Quoted By: >>86445441 >>86445464

>>86445043
He's died too many times now for it to ever stick. I just want him back in the Cap books where he belongs. Either with Sam or Steve, he has a great dynamic with either. Every time they try to solo him or put him on some random team, you just lose so much of what makes him an enjoyable character.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:42:46 No.86445441 Report

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>>86445399
>He's died too many times
Twice, and the second time he just faked his death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:43:46 No.86445464 Report

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>>86445399
>>86445441
He was great with Nat. Sam was there too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:49:11 No.86445596 Report

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>>86445464
I'm neutral on their romance, but they team up well with how similar their styles are. I wonder if Nat is getting her memories back finally or he'll still be awkwardly pining over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:50:27 No.86445624 Report

Quoted By: >>86445771 >>86445808

Waid's bringing Bucky into Natasha's book in December

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:55:44 No.86445771 Report

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>>86445624

Yeah, but does that mean that he'll be off the T-Bolts book and that the book can finally actually be about the Bolts? Although that does fuck all to solve the problem with the art and writing.

Not that it ultimately matters much because there is no way the Bolts book will make it to issue 12, anyway, but still.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:57:02 No.86445808 Report

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>>86445624
Yeah last time he stopped in was for 1-2 issues before Secret Wars? I wonder if she's suspicious and done some digging, because even without her memories of the time they spent knowing each other Natasha seems like the type of person that would have hunted down some answers instead of just ignoring her memory gap.

Or they can fix her memory the same way they fixed his, since Bucky is the proud father of a cosmic cube now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:58:38 No.86445844 Report

Quoted By: >>86445946 >>86446832

>>86445771
They might be taking him out of the T-Bolts? Looks like Bucky goes after Miles after hearing about the Spidey kills Cap rumor, ends up arrested at some point by Cap and Songbird, and the cover of the December solicit shows Songbird heading the T-Bolts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 20:02:33 No.86445946 Report

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>>86445844

The solicit also talks about breaking into a jail and since Bucky is imprisoned somewhere I suspect that they'll break him out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 20:22:43 No.86446413 Report

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>>86445808
Is Waid's book any good?
I liked his first DD volume.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 20:39:50 No.86446832 Report

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>>86445844
EXTREME

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 20:56:46 No.86447195 Report

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>>86443767
I would like to visit the guns and men's clothing dimension.
It would be a convenient shopping location.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:38:28 No.86448068 Report

Quoted By: >>86448203 >>86448232 >>86448301

Songbird and Centurius are on the latest PW&IF. Apparently Centurius gave up on conquering the world and reformed.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:44:42 No.86448203 Report

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>>86448068
Boo, he was more fun aspiring to conquer

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:46:06 No.86448232 Report

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>>86448068

> character and relationship development from Thunderbolts getting followed up upon by subsequent writers rather than having it reset or ignored

Nice.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:49:58 No.86448301 Report

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:51:02 No.86448328 Report

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:52:37 No.86448351 Report

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:54:16 No.86448381 Report

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:55:31 No.86448400 Report

Quoted By: >>86448467 >>86448560 >>86450416

>>86448381
>no harness

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 21:58:56 No.86448467 Report

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>>86448400
Okay, that was pretty fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 22:00:16 No.86448501 Report

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>>86437635
Is Malin a pseudonym for Liefeld

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 22:02:58 No.86448560 Report

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>>86448400

tfw when the T-Bolts are treated better as guest stars and supporting characters than on their own book

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 22:25:56 No.86448966 Report

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>>86448351
>Storm is the new mutant uncle tom replacing Beast and Havok

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 23:34:29 No.86450300 Report

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>>86448232
>tfw Radioactive Man

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Anonymous Wed 21 Sep 2016 23:39:42 No.86450416 Report

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>>86448400
I know they aren't gonna win, but I really hope Luke and Co. win. mostly because I just like seeing Carol put in her place right now. she's so fucking insufferable right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 00:19:44 No.86451334 Report

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>>86437635
I think there's a right way to do "90s EXTREEME" but this isn't it.

Why couldn't they get someone good from that era, like Greg Capullo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 00:25:17 No.86451479 Report

Quoted By: >>86451622

>>86437635
With Bucky in this shit is anyone being The Man on the Wall?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Sep 2016 00:31:52 No.86451622 Report

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>>86451479
Everyone is ignoring that plot beat because it honestly sucks.

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