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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 19:58:00 2021 No.125376133 View Reply Original Report

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now that the dust has settled, who do you think should have won the fight between Cap and Spiderman in Civil war?

I think Spiderman should have won, he is stronger.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 19:58:58 No.125376141 Report

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>>125376133
Being physically stronger doesn't mean you'll win a fight.
Plus MCU Cap is way stronger then comics Cap.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:00:52 No.125376168 Report

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>>125376133

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:01:13 No.125376173 Report

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>>125376141
>Being physically stronger
Yes it does.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:01:36 No.125376181 Report

Quoted By: >>125378124

>>125376141
This.

Peter even with his powers is still an unskilled teenager.

Steve is a literal war veteran and an expert of hand to hand combat

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:02:47 No.125376201 Report

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>>125376168
>Silver Surfer that low

hmm...

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:03:29 No.125376217 Report

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>>125376173
Nope. There are a variety of factors to go into the equation. Strength is merely one of them.
Bane is physically stronger then Batman. Yet Batman can defeat him through a variety of ways. And has done so.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:03:38 No.125376219 Report

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>>125376141
>Being physically stronger doesn't mean you'll win a fight.
True, but it's a very slim chance for the weaker side. Weight classes are there for a reason and, despite Cap being superhuman, Spider-Man is shown to be much stronger. Cap was wiser and won by using the environment to his advantage but that won't work most times, I'd say.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:04:29 No.125376240 Report

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>>125376133
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_America_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Spider-Man_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:04:46 No.125376243 Report

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>>125376133
Cap

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:05:27 No.125376253 Report

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>>125376201
He needs not rely on brute strength for his is the power cosmic, anon.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:05:46 No.125376258 Report

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>>125376201
he says it himself. he doesn't need pure strenght because he has the power cosmic

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:06:34 No.125376273 Report

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>>125376133
There's no "should've won", either a character wins or doesn't.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:07:48 No.125376293 Report

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movie spidey is a bitch boy

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:07:49 No.125376294 Report

Quoted By: >>125376319

>Cap is a tactical mastermind who is planning so far ahead that Spider-Man's spider sense is warning him about attacks that aren't coming yet, throwing him off-balance
This bit from Civil War(the comic) was so stupid but the kind of stupid that's actually entertaining.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:08:03 No.125376296 Report

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>>125376217
Spideys has superhuman strength and speed and can go beyond peak human.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:08:53 No.125376311 Report

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Cap, even if he isn't as superhumanly strong as Spider-Man, he's superhuman enough to affect him, on top of being much more skilled and experienced at fighting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:09:42 No.125376319 Report

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>>125376294
Spideys got tatical battle experience and is smarter than cap in improvisation, i call bs in that.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:10:39 No.125376335 Report

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>>125376173
The first UFC was won by the weakest guy there

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:11:43 No.125376349 Report

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>>125376311
>superhuman enough to affect him

Spidey has pre cog and super speed reflexes. All spidey has to do is web his shield away and bashes him with a recochet like his own wreck ball. Cap wont see it coming.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:12:39 No.125376359 Report

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>>125376335
Not the same, spidey is literally faster than caps brain body can react to.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:14:24 No.125376381 Report

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>>125376349
and this alternate universe spidey, honed his spidey sense to such a degree he could sense stuff months in advance
(and then marvel had him be one of the first to job against morlun and his family)

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:17:16 No.125376419 Report

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Isn't there a comic where Black Widow tries to fight Spider-Man but she gets scared off on account of how fast he is?

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:18:23 No.125376435 Report

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>>125376419
when spidey ups the speed, only a few can match him

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:19:26 No.125376449 Report

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:20:11 No.125376456 Report

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>>125376168
I always chuckle at Black Bolt's speech bubble.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:21:44 No.125376481 Report

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>>125376456
they do tend to be funny

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:24:18 No.125376508 Report

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>>125376133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFYnnn2Y

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:25:37 No.125376531 Report

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>>125376133
Spider-Man at this point has only had his powers for a few months. He hasn't faced off against any other superpowered people. Just done stuff in his neighborhood. He has virtually no practical combat experience. Which is why Cap was able to easily throw him off balance and "trap" him long enough to get away.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:27:57 No.125376564 Report

Quoted By: >>125376598 >>125376604

>>125376319
since when?
as far as we know in Civil War, Spidey has thus far been dealing with petty criminals and small street problems like car crashes and shit.

In Civil War, Cap is leagues ahead of Spidey. He's got virtually no experience when it comes to dealing with supers at that point in time.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:28:41 No.125376578 Report

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>>125376359
in the comics

Has MCU Pete done anything to show he's that much faster than MCU Steve?

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:30:07 No.125376594 Report

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>>125376319
Maybe comic Spidey but MCU is a joke outside of his strength. He's done nothing impressive.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:30:28 No.125376598 Report

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>>125376564
They're trying to bring it up to comic Spider-Man and Captain America when OP is clearly talking about the MCU versions.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:30:35 No.125376600 Report

Quoted By: >>125376673 >>125376738

>>125376319
>Spideys got tatical battle experience
Not enough, apparently. Look man, I'm with you, it's dumb, but sometimes you need to embrace the dumb with fiction. With all these examples of the webhead soloing the X-men or giving characters far above his weight class a run for their money, it only seems fair that someone "weaker" than him could give him the same treatment.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:30:53 No.125376604 Report

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>>125376564
true, even falcon got a hit on spidey with his drone.
holland spidey is pathetic.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:36:25 No.125376673 Report

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>>125376600
This, if Spider-Man can embarrass guys like Firelord or do shit like >>125376435, he's not exempt from weaker people getting their licks in, too. It turns out that everybody can job or be jobbed against.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:40:23 No.125376738 Report

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>>125376600
Caps is a bigger mary sue than batman.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:41:31 No.125376754 Report

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>>125376738
You're being emotional right now, but let's not say things we'll regret later on.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:44:31 No.125376804 Report

Quoted By: >>125377533

>>125376133
...The guy who won it?
They fought, unimpeded and uninterrupted. And Cap won.
Usually the "dust settled" questions have to deal with matters of opinion. But it's not an opinion that they fought and Cap won.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:46:37 No.125376830 Report

Quoted By: >>125377250

>>125376133
Cap has more experience under his belt, and Spiderman had the disadvantage of being a fanboy who wouldn't mind having his ass kicked.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 20:47:27 No.125376843 Report

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>>125376133
cap was right to win, raw strength isn't everything in a fight

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:12:55 No.125377225 Report

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MCU Cap is stronger than comic Cap, and MCU Spidey is way weaker than comic Spidey. It doesn't matter how much better Cap is at fighting, if we were talking about Cap fighitng someone who can lift a building he would lose unless the writing was very bad. So yeah, Cap could win.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:14:27 No.125377250 Report

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>>125376830
>who wouldn't mind having his ass kicked.
I wish Captain Daddy would kick my ass

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:17:25 No.125377287 Report

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Peter was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD in civil war

Why the fuck would you expect him to be a better fighter than cap? Or even as strong as him? He hadn’t even finished growing lol

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:25:48 No.125377413 Report

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>>125376738
lmao

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:30:49 No.125377478 Report

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>>125376168
ant-man gets me every time

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:33:04 No.125377506 Report

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>>125376594
they have to nerf him because everyone else is nerfed, even hulk has no real feats in the films

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:35:03 No.125377533 Report

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>>125376804
Rematch spidey should def win

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 21:35:14 No.125377535 Report

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>>125376133
Spiderman should have. Since he is novice and it's captain America movie. I give it a pass.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:09:02 No.125378009 Report

Quoted By: >>125378249

>>125376219
with how powerful spider-sense is in the mcu, a rematch would heavily favor peter. granted it's probably going to be nerfed or forgotten about in nwh

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:14:27 No.125378084 Report

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>>125376133
Experience > Body Strength

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:18:05 No.125378124 Report

Quoted By: >>125378160

>>125376181
>war veteran means knowing how to fight hand to hand against a guy that can bench press a bus
lol

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:21:20 No.125378160 Report

Quoted By: >>125378228

>>125378124
>spider powers means knowing how to fight hand to hand against a guy that can bust planets
see >>125376435 don't act like Spider-Man hasn't had his own share of bullshit matchups.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:23:08 No.125378182 Report

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>>125376168
Man, some of these guys are petty

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:26:11 No.125378228 Report

Quoted By: >>125378353

>>125378160
you mean
>spider powers that can lift buildings and and punch through most objects with the agility of a feather and the speed of a roach and the ability to sense danger before it even comes can help you batter down a bigger but slower foe
then yes, Spider Man will almost always be faster than his enemies even if he's weaker, which combined with his future sight makes him one of the best hand to hand guys in marvel

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:28:12 No.125378249 Report

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>>125378009
>with how powerful spider-sense is in the mcu
I can only think of them showing it once in Civil War and nowhere else. They haven't shown it enough, let alone shown how powerful it is.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:31:14 No.125378277 Report

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if he knew how to fight then he could have taken down most of them there

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:36:30 No.125378353 Report

Quoted By: >>125378572

>>125378228
Still doesn't mean dick against a guy that throws down against other people in his weight class that can shatter moons and wins. Thor wouldn't even be tickled from Spider-Man's strikes. Just accept that bullshit goes both ways, you don't lose anything by admitting that Spider-Man has to lose sometimes.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:52:10 No.125378572 Report

Quoted By: >>125378704 >>125378800

>>125378353
nah, its still more believable than anything Roidy McGoo ever does

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:55:12 No.125378611 Report

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>>125376217
Bane with venom is stronger than Batman but he is too bulky and slower and less agile as a result.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:57:36 No.125378653 Report

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>>125376435
That's just Spider-wanking considering the fact that Thor is capable of reacting to Gladiator and Silver Surfer.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:59:01 No.125378674 Report

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 22:59:02 No.125378675 Report

Quoted By: >>125378700

>>125376133
>I think Spiderman should have won, he is stronger.
Captain America has super-strength in the MCU.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:00:14 No.125378689 Report

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Captain Carter would have cleaned both their clocks.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:00:37 No.125378696 Report

Quoted By: >>125378710

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:00:55 No.125378700 Report

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>>125378675
He has minor super strength in the comics too. And can casually dodge bullets.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:01:04 No.125378704 Report

Quoted By: >>125378867 >>125378936

>>125378572
>God that takes multiple hits from a monster that makes killing Asgardians like Odin seem almost casual (Magog)
>Some guy with proportional strength of a spider can totally take on that dude!
Dude, wipe the web fluid off your mouth. The gap between Captain America and Spider-Man is far less more pronounced than the gap between Spider-Man and Thor. It's like comparing a ditch to the Grand Canyon.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:01:39 No.125378710 Report

Quoted By: >>125378734 >>125378907

>>125378696

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:03:24 No.125378734 Report

Quoted By: >>125378770 >>125378812 >>125378935

>>125378710
And then Peter forgets everything that he learned when the next writer came along.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:04:42 No.125378748 Report

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>>125376133
MCU Captain America might not be as strong as MCU Spider-man, but he is probably more durable and just as fast as him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:06:00 No.125378770 Report

Quoted By: >>125378942

>>125378734
Just like most comic characters.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:07:15 No.125378795 Report

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>>125376219
>that won't work most times, I'd say.
Spidey is a dumb teenager. Cap is a genius-level tactician. The only way Cap would lose would be in some sort of cage fight, but even then I'm half sure Cap would make Peter would knock himself out somehow.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:07:45 No.125378800 Report

Quoted By: >>125378936

>>125378572
... Is it? Thor can break Adamantium, proper Adamantium.

Spiderman can't even break the Rhino's skin and always needs to go for his head or redirect him.

You can't admit Spiderwank is spiderwank.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:08:44 No.125378812 Report

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>>125378734
Capeshit power level arguments are just dumb as fuck. All of them are completely inconsistent, sometimes from issue to issue. Cap can off panel 20 Asgardian trolls and then have trouble with a normal human. Same for Spidey. It's whatever the current writer wants

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:08:51 No.125378813 Report

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>>125376240
Surprised this was ignored.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:09:52 No.125378826 Report

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>>125376738
kek so emotional

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:11:03 No.125378839 Report

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>>125376168
Teenage Colossus is cute!

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:13:10 No.125378867 Report

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>>125378704
Mangog* fuck

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:15:11 No.125378901 Report

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>>125376258
Cage and Peter were a funny pair in Bendis's New Avengers. Spidey has some great rivalries that have lasted for decades.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:15:42 No.125378907 Report

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>>125378710
I miss Julia, why the fuck don't they let her do anything cool anymore?

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:18:11 No.125378935 Report

Quoted By: >>125378942

>>125378734
Writers forget a bunch of stuff that Peter can do. His strength, agility, spider sense, and intelligence get nerfed or forgotten so much in order to keep things interesting.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:18:12 No.125378936 Report

Quoted By: >>125379093

>>125378704
>>125378800

Cap would realistically be destroyed by being webbed up by spidey and slammed on the ground

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:18:37 No.125378942 Report

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>>125378935
>>125378770

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Anonymous Fri 27 Aug 2021 23:29:10 No.125379093 Report

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>>125378936
Pretty sure Cap throwing his shield to rebound is a tried and true method to fuck Spiderman over.

Or use a gun at the same time. Realistically if Cap wanted Peter dead, he'd be fucking dead.

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